Why does an "all-loving" God force trillions of innocent animals to suffer and die over billions of years?

Why does an "all-loving" God force trillions of innocent animals to suffer and die over billions of years?

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It is the flow of life. Life is temporary, and it all goes back for a neverending cycle.

    Ashes to ashes.

    Some of those stories are inspiring; even for soulless animals

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >if god real why bad thing happen?
      Not a real argument athiestpagan israelite.

      So why does your "all-loving" God choose to do things the most un-loving and horrific way possible?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        This question seems to have made you confront the fact that your God is not "all-loving" and is thus a contradiction to what you've been told and the message you are spreading. Look at how you uncontrollable seethe and cuss.

        It is if your God is all loving

        Not a real argument. Why are athiestpagan israelites so stupid?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >NUH UH
          moron.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        God does love everything
        He loves you as much as he loves the cancer cells developing in your lungs
        He loves the deer as much as he loves the wolf that snaps it’s neck and tears it limb from limb
        He loves everything and everyone
        That’s why there’s free will. He can’t decide which he loves most, so he gives everyone and everything an equal capacity for comfort and discomfort

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >if god real why bad thing happen?
    Not a real argument athiestpagan israelite.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This question seems to have made you confront the fact that your God is not "all-loving" and is thus a contradiction to what you've been told and the message you are spreading. Look at how you uncontrollable seethe and cuss.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      It is if your God is all loving

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        He was told as a child that the israelite king that lives in the sky is the most wonderful and moral thing possible. So when he is forced to look at the carnage, suffering, and death his sky wizard created, his brain short circuits.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Not a real argument
      Is that because Christians after centuries have still not found a counterargument?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      the funniest thing is, as old or as "reddit" as that argument is, you abrahamoids have still yet not found an answer to it, so instead come with this evasion. LMFAO

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It is the nature of chaos to consume itself. Why do you think we need to consume other living beings in order to sustain ourselves?

    Chaos lies at the heart of all things.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      These are the ways of an "all-loving" and "merciful" God?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not even the Biblical conception of God (which isn't accurate obviously) is described as purely beneficent. God is described in the Bible as the creator of all evil, after all.

        Isaiah 45:7
        >I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

        So your argument isn't exactly a "gotcha" against Christians lol

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          because only humans are fashioned in god's image, if you're going by the bible

          Why is your God so cruel to animals if he is supposed to be "all-loving" and "good"?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            The Bible doesn't say God is "all-loving" or "entirely good" you moron. That's the point of Isaiah 45:7. God creates evil AND peace simultaneously.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            So your God is an evil monster, no better than anyone else. Wow.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            God didn't even have to make animals. So you're saying he created them just to torture them for fun.

            In the biblical texts is quite left implicit that God is an amoral being for humans since he is not governed by established systems of thoughts, but rather is governed by his own ethical system which he imposes on others, Mircea Eliade notized that God showed his primacy, as patriarchal god of cosmos and war, over hebrews by changing of idea on his pact with israelites while the last ones were not allowed to do the same without facing a cataclysmic punishment.

            Humans and animals are nothing more than toys that will receive from God what providence wants, or more formally, as creations of God we are not allowed to raise our voices to the Creator.
            Now, beyond strengthening Gnostic ideas, we are also left implicit in Genesis, Isaiah, Deuteronomy and Revelation that God does not have animal and human suffering as the final cause, which he uses as an "alchemical means" in the personal development of its creation. But this state of conflict has been the cause of imperfection in Life, subject to predation (and this includes disease, which is only predation by tiny creatures), deterioration and death; His ultimate goal is the well-being in his judgment when he remakes all things.

            God as the supreme being determines what is good and evil, he himself causes both.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            And I am not christian btw, more a pantheist agnostic

            >Bear eat fish.
            >Nature bad.
            This is the level of intellectualism gnostics are on? I thought they were supposed to be the smart ones.

            Yes. But it does not mean that Matter is bad, as Gnostics say, rather than Life as we know is imperfect and poorly designated. Nature is an splendid complete substance when compared to the substance of Life.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You oversimplify it. If god wants to make an animal tough, he provides hardship to toughen it. If he wants some balance in nature, he creates predators and prey.

            Its all a cosmic sandbox with sentient beings in it. Dont tell me you didnt do similar things in your videogames. And its different when theres sentient souls involved

            Sounds like an evil God. Is this why all its followers are just as evil?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not a real argument

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's not an argument, it's a question. Why does your piece of shit god find it necessary to torture animals?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >he is supposed to be "all-loving" and "good"
            From a Biblical perspective, and I cant consider me a christian at all but an agnostics. God isn't "all loving" and he never said so, that idea of God's nature is what Catholic Church said (I would say due the massive influence of platonic and neoplatonic authors, such as St. Augustine and Pseudo-Dyonisus) and all the protestant sects derived from it copied. God always said in the Bible he has the ultimate choice to save and love those he want and to ruin the lifes of those he dislikes.
            Even apostle Paul said it
            One thing is true, he loves the World and that is why he sent Jesus, to save it from sin.
            10 Not only that, but Rebekah’s children were conceived at the same time by our father Isaac. 11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.”[d] 13 Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”[e]

            14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,

            “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
            and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”[f]

            16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”[g] 18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            God didn't even have to make animals. So you're saying he created them just to torture them for fun.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not him but pretty much. All that exists is for glory to God. Suck it up and accept it because thats just the way things are. The world is the way it is, he is that he is.
            See now that there's no difference in this worldview from the rest of the bronze-age mythos from the near-east and Mediterranean.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why do the lives of animals matter?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Kys vegan scum

            That has nothing to do with gnostic belief dullard.

            Why do the lives of Christians matter?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Human lives matter since humans are superior to animals. This is fact no matter how much you cry. Abrahamic religious arguments don't even need to be applied. This is science.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Human lives matter since humans are superior to animals.

            Neither can escape the earth and you die exactly the same. How are you superior?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Animals are cognitively inferior and man is superior to an animal in every conceivable way. Humans have evolved to be more than just base instinct which all animals have. They have no concept of love, only loyalty. Can a horse gaze at a sunset and feel contentment? No it can't.
            If animals are equal to humans;
            Show me the Rhino Michelangelo and I will gaze at his art
            Give me the Ceasar Eagle and I will walk through his Empire
            Grant me the Serpant Vivaldi and I will dance to his music.
            I will wait for you to show me something animals have done that is in any way equal to man's achievements.
            >escape Earth
            Man has reached the stars for a while now. Maybe learn some history.

            You can lessen yourself to that of an animal if you want. You already have the mindset of one.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's a lot of words to cope with the fact you're stuck on this rock and will die like a dog.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Refute it. You can lower yourself to a dog if you want. Just know that I will be superior to you since that is your choice you are making.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            They don't. They're slaves to israelites.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      sauce?

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think there's ghosts here

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    They deserved it chuddy

  6. 4 months ago
    Radiochan

    because only humans are fashioned in god's image, if you're going by the bible

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Bear eat fish.
    >Nature bad.
    This is the level of intellectualism gnostics are on? I thought they were supposed to be the smart ones.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >erm, getting mauled and eaten alive is actually a good thing sweaty

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        You oversimplify it. If god wants to make an animal tough, he provides hardship to toughen it. If he wants some balance in nature, he creates predators and prey.

        Its all a cosmic sandbox with sentient beings in it. Dont tell me you didnt do similar things in your videogames. And its different when theres sentient souls involved

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Bear mauls Christian hiker to death
      >"God must put an end to this suffering!"

      Nah, there is nothing wrong with Christians dying horrible deaths, it's just part of nature.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wow you just absolutely DECIMATED that strawman you made up.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Bear eat fish
          >Meh

          >Bear eat human
          >No no no! This is bad! Jesus save him! Oh God oh God oh God! Lord howdy!

          There is nothing wrong with Christians getting eaten by bears or torn apart by sharks or bitten by rattle snakes. That's the way God designed it.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ok.
            Conceded.
            Now what?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Now what?
            now your god is useless

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Gnosticism, everyone. Still falling for the 'natural evil' meme all these millennia later.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Christians, everyone. Still waiting 2 more weeks and trusting the plan for their smelly rabbi to return after being nailed to a pole all these millennia later.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            That has nothing to do with gnostic belief dullard.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not an argument gaytheist

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    1 John 5:19

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Satan designed nature and the animal kingdom? Oh, so God was Satan all along.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah everything went perfectly and there were no hiccups along the way.

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    animals are mindless entities that exist to be eaten

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      You sound like a low IQ third worlder. Does the same rule apply to you?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        The idea of animals being mindless entities is actually a Germanic idea from 1600s/1700s and Germanics used it to destroy 90% of northwest/central Europe and North American forests and drive thousans of species and native tribes in America and Africa into extintion.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          What is it with Germans? It's always the Germans. Is it autism?

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Allah does whatever he wants and he is the most Wise and just

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >all loving god
    there is no all loving god though? are we strawmanning something?

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Kys vegan scum

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The abrahamic god is a demon.

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >SUFFERING BAD SUFFERING BAD SUFFERING BAD
    Grow up kid.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >suffering is the same as horrible death
      The cognitive dissonance required to be a christcuck is astounding.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Death is the way of the world Anon. Fortunately, Jesus came down to give us life.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, your parents gave you life. Which is why you owe them more loyalty than a dead israelite.

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