Why does an "all-loving" God force trillions of innocent animals to suffer and die over billions of years?
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Why does an "all-loving" God force trillions of innocent animals to suffer and die over billions of years?
It is the flow of life. Life is temporary, and it all goes back for a neverending cycle.
Ashes to ashes.
Some of those stories are inspiring; even for soulless animals
So why does your "all-loving" God choose to do things the most un-loving and horrific way possible?
Not a real argument. Why are athiestpagan israelites so stupid?
>NUH UH
moron.
God does love everything
He loves you as much as he loves the cancer cells developing in your lungs
He loves the deer as much as he loves the wolf that snaps it’s neck and tears it limb from limb
He loves everything and everyone
That’s why there’s free will. He can’t decide which he loves most, so he gives everyone and everything an equal capacity for comfort and discomfort
>if god real why bad thing happen?
Not a real argument athiestpagan israelite.
This question seems to have made you confront the fact that your God is not "all-loving" and is thus a contradiction to what you've been told and the message you are spreading. Look at how you uncontrollable seethe and cuss.
It is if your God is all loving
He was told as a child that the israelite king that lives in the sky is the most wonderful and moral thing possible. So when he is forced to look at the carnage, suffering, and death his sky wizard created, his brain short circuits.
>Not a real argument
Is that because Christians after centuries have still not found a counterargument?
the funniest thing is, as old or as "reddit" as that argument is, you abrahamoids have still yet not found an answer to it, so instead come with this evasion. LMFAO
It is the nature of chaos to consume itself. Why do you think we need to consume other living beings in order to sustain ourselves?
Chaos lies at the heart of all things.
These are the ways of an "all-loving" and "merciful" God?
Not even the Biblical conception of God (which isn't accurate obviously) is described as purely beneficent. God is described in the Bible as the creator of all evil, after all.
Isaiah 45:7
>I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
So your argument isn't exactly a "gotcha" against Christians lol
Why is your God so cruel to animals if he is supposed to be "all-loving" and "good"?
The Bible doesn't say God is "all-loving" or "entirely good" you moron. That's the point of Isaiah 45:7. God creates evil AND peace simultaneously.
So your God is an evil monster, no better than anyone else. Wow.
In the biblical texts is quite left implicit that God is an amoral being for humans since he is not governed by established systems of thoughts, but rather is governed by his own ethical system which he imposes on others, Mircea Eliade notized that God showed his primacy, as patriarchal god of cosmos and war, over hebrews by changing of idea on his pact with israelites while the last ones were not allowed to do the same without facing a cataclysmic punishment.
Humans and animals are nothing more than toys that will receive from God what providence wants, or more formally, as creations of God we are not allowed to raise our voices to the Creator.
Now, beyond strengthening Gnostic ideas, we are also left implicit in Genesis, Isaiah, Deuteronomy and Revelation that God does not have animal and human suffering as the final cause, which he uses as an "alchemical means" in the personal development of its creation. But this state of conflict has been the cause of imperfection in Life, subject to predation (and this includes disease, which is only predation by tiny creatures), deterioration and death; His ultimate goal is the well-being in his judgment when he remakes all things.
God as the supreme being determines what is good and evil, he himself causes both.
And I am not christian btw, more a pantheist agnostic
Yes. But it does not mean that Matter is bad, as Gnostics say, rather than Life as we know is imperfect and poorly designated. Nature is an splendid complete substance when compared to the substance of Life.
Sounds like an evil God. Is this why all its followers are just as evil?
>Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love
Not a real argument
It's not an argument, it's a question. Why does your piece of shit god find it necessary to torture animals?
>he is supposed to be "all-loving" and "good"
From a Biblical perspective, and I cant consider me a christian at all but an agnostics. God isn't "all loving" and he never said so, that idea of God's nature is what Catholic Church said (I would say due the massive influence of platonic and neoplatonic authors, such as St. Augustine and Pseudo-Dyonisus) and all the protestant sects derived from it copied. God always said in the Bible he has the ultimate choice to save and love those he want and to ruin the lifes of those he dislikes.
Even apostle Paul said it
One thing is true, he loves the World and that is why he sent Jesus, to save it from sin.
10 Not only that, but Rebekah’s children were conceived at the same time by our father Isaac. 11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.”[d] 13 Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”[e]
14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”[f]
16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”[g] 18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
God didn't even have to make animals. So you're saying he created them just to torture them for fun.
Not him but pretty much. All that exists is for glory to God. Suck it up and accept it because thats just the way things are. The world is the way it is, he is that he is.
See now that there's no difference in this worldview from the rest of the bronze-age mythos from the near-east and Mediterranean.
Why do the lives of animals matter?
Why do the lives of Christians matter?
Human lives matter since humans are superior to animals. This is fact no matter how much you cry. Abrahamic religious arguments don't even need to be applied. This is science.
>Human lives matter since humans are superior to animals.
Neither can escape the earth and you die exactly the same. How are you superior?
Animals are cognitively inferior and man is superior to an animal in every conceivable way. Humans have evolved to be more than just base instinct which all animals have. They have no concept of love, only loyalty. Can a horse gaze at a sunset and feel contentment? No it can't.
If animals are equal to humans;
Show me the Rhino Michelangelo and I will gaze at his art
Give me the Ceasar Eagle and I will walk through his Empire
Grant me the Serpant Vivaldi and I will dance to his music.
I will wait for you to show me something animals have done that is in any way equal to man's achievements.
>escape Earth
Man has reached the stars for a while now. Maybe learn some history.
You can lessen yourself to that of an animal if you want. You already have the mindset of one.
That's a lot of words to cope with the fact you're stuck on this rock and will die like a dog.
Refute it. You can lower yourself to a dog if you want. Just know that I will be superior to you since that is your choice you are making.
They don't. They're slaves to israelites.
sauce?
I think there's ghosts here
They deserved it chuddy
because only humans are fashioned in god's image, if you're going by the bible
>Bear eat fish.
>Nature bad.
This is the level of intellectualism gnostics are on? I thought they were supposed to be the smart ones.
>erm, getting mauled and eaten alive is actually a good thing sweaty
You oversimplify it. If god wants to make an animal tough, he provides hardship to toughen it. If he wants some balance in nature, he creates predators and prey.
Its all a cosmic sandbox with sentient beings in it. Dont tell me you didnt do similar things in your videogames. And its different when theres sentient souls involved
>Bear mauls Christian hiker to death
>"God must put an end to this suffering!"
Nah, there is nothing wrong with Christians dying horrible deaths, it's just part of nature.
Wow you just absolutely DECIMATED that strawman you made up.
>Bear eat fish
>Meh
>Bear eat human
>No no no! This is bad! Jesus save him! Oh God oh God oh God! Lord howdy!
There is nothing wrong with Christians getting eaten by bears or torn apart by sharks or bitten by rattle snakes. That's the way God designed it.
Ok.
Conceded.
Now what?
>Now what?
now your god is useless
Gnosticism, everyone. Still falling for the 'natural evil' meme all these millennia later.
Christians, everyone. Still waiting 2 more weeks and trusting the plan for their smelly rabbi to return after being nailed to a pole all these millennia later.
That has nothing to do with gnostic belief dullard.
Not an argument gaytheist
1 John 5:19
Satan designed nature and the animal kingdom? Oh, so God was Satan all along.
Yeah everything went perfectly and there were no hiccups along the way.
animals are mindless entities that exist to be eaten
You sound like a low IQ third worlder. Does the same rule apply to you?
The idea of animals being mindless entities is actually a Germanic idea from 1600s/1700s and Germanics used it to destroy 90% of northwest/central Europe and North American forests and drive thousans of species and native tribes in America and Africa into extintion.
What is it with Germans? It's always the Germans. Is it autism?
Allah does whatever he wants and he is the most Wise and just
>all loving god
there is no all loving god though? are we strawmanning something?
Kys vegan scum
The abrahamic god is a demon.
>SUFFERING BAD SUFFERING BAD SUFFERING BAD
Grow up kid.
>suffering is the same as horrible death
The cognitive dissonance required to be a christcuck is astounding.
Death is the way of the world Anon. Fortunately, Jesus came down to give us life.
No, your parents gave you life. Which is why you owe them more loyalty than a dead israelite.