nowhere in their religion does it say they should worship her
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Mary was a remarkable woman. When Gabriel appeared to her, she humbly accepted what he told her with faith, and St. Luke records several times in his Gospel that Mary was quite contemplative and humble as well. She followed Christ to the cross while almost everyone else had apostatized, and she was the woman who gave God incarnate flesh, and raised Him, nursed Him, and everything else. There is much to be in awe of with her, even Scripture says all generations will call her blessed, and that her soul magnifies the Lord.
Beyond this though, it can get a bit excessive and weird. Mary is believed to reside in heaven now, still praying for the Church on earth. So people seek her intercessions and prayers.
Mary’s prestige is further magnified due to apparitions. Millions were converted to Christianity after the apparent miracle of Our Lady of Guadaloupe. Our Lady of Lourdes apparently led to lots of unexplained healings and miracles in France as well, drawing millions of pilgrims. Our Lady of Fatima too had tens of thousands of witnesses, Christian and non-Christian. The result is rampant Marianism in the Catholic Church, and obsession with visions, apparitions and private revelations. Fatima in particular has led to hysteria over alleged ‘secrets’ and prophecies. It has taken on a life of its own.
Revelation has the woman that births the Lord as crowned Queen, so she's Queen of Heaven.
Also she's super Abraham, like him, she was to sacrifice her son, yet unlike Abraham not only she has to literally have him die, He was perfect and innocent, thus her sorrow is unimaginable, and this particular suffering she endured for the salvation of mankind. Mary like no other creature had to suffer for the sins and salvation of others.
Also she is the Woman from the proto evangelium in Genesis, the new Eve, whose seed battles the snake seed, and crushes the head of the serpent.
Her seed is Jesus and all the saved, while the snake seed are the damned.
I'm glad someone could give a nuanced answer on Oyish while also admitting out of control Mariology is weird
Well yeah, in their eyes it is proof that every other sect are not true Christians.
Now in my eyes their rejection of Mary puts them in the same position as Muslims or Mormons. Followers of Abraham, yes. Fellow Christians, no.
> Now in my eyes their rejection of Mary puts them in the same position as Muslims
Interesingly, even Muslims have a far higher regard for Mary than Protestants.
That is fair
I was not talking to you, but to the other people in the thread
> I'm glad someone could give a nuanced answer on Oyish while also admitting out of control Mariology is weird
It’s tough—I’m very interested in Catholicism (I’m Continuing Anglican), but some of it makes me uncomfortable. I like the rosary and have learned a lot about Mary’s virtues and Christ from it, but when Catholicism gets into universal mediation of grace through Mary, or Maximilian Kolbe’s ‘quasi-incarnation of the Holy Spirit’ and the like, it gets very close to idolatry in mind, and the alarm bells start to go off. The error of the Reformers and their followers was going to the opposite extreme of rejecting an ancient Christian tradition.
>it gets very close to idolatry in mind
so what is the standard for what determines idolatry? because if its your own mind you're departing from Anglicanism as well
Putting a creature in place of God is idolatry—with examples like Kolbe, he’s basically positing a Marian Nestorianism where they are functionally one being.
I know what you mean. I really puts me off Catholicism. That and the pope being some sort of priest-king. While I'm even more leery of the Orthodox do to the icon stuff, I do think the way their church is structured makes more sense to me.
>Now in my eyes
why should I care about groups you whine about but provide no argument against?
The fact that you view doing stuff like praying to Mary (I know it isn't for her to grant miracles but to put in a good word to God for you) is a requirement to be Christian is sort of weird. Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus tell anyone to pray to his mom. He says the the way to the Father is through him. I don't recall Paul, Peter, or James doing so either.
Catholics are tarded
Orthodox venerate Mary too, as do Oriental churches. Mary veneration is pre-schism. Protestants fear this fact
Because Christians respect women, chud.
>Woman gives birth
>Catholics simp her for eternity
When Christianity was spreading through the empire the church deified Mary to appeal to women, who were the majority of converts
It was probably throwing them a bone because they were forbidden from preaching despite the fact a lot of early converts were women who went on to convert their friends and family.
Why do Muslims keep repeating this baseless moronic lie? Literally 1400 years and they are still totally clueless about Christian religion.
talk to the Irish first
Muslims don't even hate Mary and why did the Irish suddenly get dragged into this?
I'm not talking about hating Mary, that wasn't the topic of contention, the topic is how Muslims - from Muhammad (piss and shit be upon him) all the way down to the present - think Christians worship three separate gods named Father, Jesus, and Mary
Christianity is idol worship and polytheism.
Worship of saints and Mary is idol worship, and the trinity is polytheism.
It's not though.
>nowhere in their religion does it say they should worship her
NOR DO WE WORSHIP HER; WE VENERATE HER, AS WE SHOULD: SHE IS THE MOTHER OF GOD.