Why did God give Jesus more free will than us?

Why did God give Jesus more free will than us?

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because he was the Magic israeliteman

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I wanna be a magic israeliteman

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >using counterfactuals against free will
    careful! The real question is, if everything is deterministic, what would freedom look like? Why does God follow deterministic rules and not act freely, randomly at random times?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      > The real question is, if everything is deterministic, what would freedom look like?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        just take cocaine, that was easy. What's your point exactly?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          any human that can think rationally and base their current desires on their future ideals are effectively more “free” than other people. It makes no sense that one person has more free will than another, at least if you accept religious theories on souls and what not. But under deterministic physicalism, “free will” is just the ability to use abstraction to find an action more appealing than whatever your base instincts tell you to do in the moment. So it’s largely a function of intelligence, good habits, and a general will to power.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            how does this
            >any human that can think rationally and base their current desires on their future ideals are effectively more “free” than other people.
            connect to this?
            >It makes no sense that one person has more free will than another, at least if you accept religious theories on souls and what not.

            >But under deterministic physicalism, “free will” is just the ability to use abstraction to find an action more appealing than whatever your base instincts tell you to do in the moment. So it’s largely a function of intelligence, good habits, and a general will to power.
            things tend to result from other things, what's your point

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            the point is you can explain human behavior deterministically and libertarian free will is nonsense

            In a sense, He did. We are made in His image. If you're asking why God didn't make another God, because that is impossible by definition. God cannot be divided, nor created, nor caused.

            > We are made in His image
            what does that even mean?
            > If you're asking why God didn't make another God, because that is impossible by definition
            Doesn’t seem omnipotent if he can’t create creatures that act peacefully and sinlessly like Jesus. How hard is that??? Also, Jesus said “you will do greater things than I.” Wtf was he talking about?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You can explain life in genetic terms, but culture exists. Describing free will doesn't make it go away.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It means a lot of thinfs, one of which is that our souls reflect God's divinity in some ways, and that we are rational and good.
            Your personal definition of omipotence is of no concern to God or to me. He created Adam to be perfect, but Adam chose to sin. God allowed this for His own reasons, but lest anyone complain, He sent His only begotten Son to save men from sin.
            He meant they would do even greater things than heal the sick and drive out demons. They would forgive sins.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Adam obviously was not perfect because he sinned. Jesus was perfect so he did not sin

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            and what's your evidence that no person in history has lived a christlike life without sin? At least no sins after being baptized at 30

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            can’t prove a negative, but the fact that we don’t have any examples is telling. If I were sinless as a Christian, I would tell the whole world what God has done for me, assuming that faith is a gift of God’s grace. But in that case, did the man really use free will? Or is it just God working in him? Surely if I can use free will to sin, then I can use free will to be righteous without God’s help. So confusing..

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Lots of people do that. Nobody can be the last prophet like jesus, nobody can oppose the pharisees because now those in power are christian. and if you get martyred, it will be centuries before we can definitively say you've triggered the next dispensation

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Adam was made to be perfect, but chose to be imperfect.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why didn’t Jesus choose to be imperfect? And why don’t more people choose to be perfect? We’re going in circles here

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >free will exists
        this disproves free will how?

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    few problems here:
    Jesus was divine and could not sin.
    The will is not entirely free and hasn't been since Adam fell.
    There have been a few who never sinned at all, Mary, Joseph, John the Baptist. There have also been many who never committed mortal sins.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      > Jesus was divine and could not sin.
      why didn’t God make all humans divine?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        In a sense, He did. We are made in His image. If you're asking why God didn't make another God, because that is impossible by definition. God cannot be divided, nor created, nor caused.

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    He didn't. Next question.

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >free will is everyone acting like Jesus even though Jesus didn't act like Jesus and in fact caused himself to be executed for heresy

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >free will means sinning even though it results in eternal hell
      no, no, no. By this logic Jesus literally does not have free will. Why should having free will make you want to sin? Sin only exists because we desire to sin, because of our biological desires.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Free will means no philosopher or theologian will ever pinpoint the true motive or nuance of your future actions. There is absolutely, positively no book you can read OR write on the subject that predicts the future of man, that's free will. There are causal aspects, like maybe you make a perfect prediction, but you either fail to hide it and disrupt the future or it remains a worthless hidden truth.

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    is there free will in heaven?
    if so, why is there no sin?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because sin will not exist.
      Free will is the ability to do good. Sin is slavery.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        if free will is the ability to do good, why do people choose to sin?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >because they have free will but they’re also slaves at the same time! Stop asking questions

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    free will is what you call an obvious and useful reality. Like numbers, but more real and not entirely made up by humans

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