Why can’t a new pagan religion be made? I think the idea that religions are only legitimate if they were made up before the enlightenment/scientific revolution is kind of silly because it’s basically just proving atheists right. I think saying that neo-pagans can be nothing but larpers casts a huge shadow of doubt over all religions, because unless magic, miracles and gods existed 2000 yr ago but not now for some reason, all major religions are just larp sessions that only derive legitimacy from being old and their origins not being able to be scientifically scrutinized. I see a ton of Christians accuse neo-pagans of LARP and to me they just sound like atheists. It would be way smarter to call neo-pagans demon worshippers or something.
modern tech consoomerism is basically paganism, thank steve jobs
>Why can’t a new pagan religion be made?
Neo-Pagan groups typically form in protest against institutions (usually religious ones at that) and a *true* honest to god religious movement can only succeed if it seeks to become an institution itself. An entity that formally establishes and cements itself as an aspect and part of society and not something kicking it's heels in the fricking corner of the house party all alone. A religious movement needs a body of theological work (philosophy, mythology, ritual), but it also needs political momentum, a basic business model, and a means to punish and reward people even if that's just via social means.
People feel less and less of their moral, spiritual, and ethical principles being represented by Chrisianity so the public desire for a "new pagan religion" is absolutely there but it's yet to be capitalized on.
With that said: This Anon isn't even wrong. The development of divergent folk religion and national cultural institutions has really been compromised and outcompeted by the spectacle of consooooomerism, the false promise of "ethical brands", climate change activism, and political arm-chair tomfoolery. All these things in some way or another essentially fill the peg-hole in a person's brain left behind by religion in some way or another.
To put all of this into motion, maybe suggest a way to move forward, and annoyingly cite an example everybody and their dog uses: Meji Restoration Shinto.
Shintoism only exists today to make the Japanese feel Japanese. Shintoism is an anthology of all the Japanese folklore & fairytales mashed together into a single 'book' with the leather bindings, cover, and methodology organized by Buddhism. This, for the most part, was an artificial/fabricated decision mandated by the government for nationalistic patriotic reasons (at the time to deify the emperor and zog people out), but this practice can still be used today.
If you wanted to make a "new" pagan religion I think it'd be best to wholesale plagarize this entire process and fabricate a Religious organization with the explicit purpose of making a unified "National Spiritual Mythos" that the entire citizenship can easily & casually participate in a non-confrontational manner, ideally feel ENTITLED to participate in, and hopefully in the future give a more substenant body to patriotic virtue signaling.
Pagan religions may reemerge, but the true religion of all human beings is animism.
You're just comparing pre WW2 vs post WW2 values/ideas. Anyway, you can make a "new pagan religion" but it would be more like a cult.
lol?
He specifically said pre/ post Enlightenment.
Also all religions.are cults.
don't all religions start as a cult of some kind ?
wasn't OG paganism just a collection of cults to this or that god with occasional crossovers between them ?
pretty sure one of the baltic countries made one of their pagan/neopagan religion thingies legally able to marry people in 2022
well then they are late to the party, anyone can register with the state as a religion and conduct marriage ceremonies, pagan or not.
no religion can legally marry people in germany
A lot of the more conservative christians do call neopagans demon worshippers, just check the American Conservative. Anyways, while there are demon worshippers and they are dangerous, most pagans I do believe are worshippers of good gods. I'm not totally on either polytheism or monotheism's side personally.
neo paganism is just paganism.
just like anarcho capitalism / anarcho communism are just capitalism and communism, respectively.
adding neo or anarcho as a prefix doesn't change its fundamental meaning.
and in that respect, it would render your argument invalid, because paganists also worship and revere ancient gods, traditions and practices.
>Why can’t a new pagan religion be made?
>CERN
>Quantum physics
>Super-string Theory
whether true or not, those aren't deities.
>quantum probability
lowbrows can't into MODERN religion
>Why can’t a new pagan religion be made?
Because it wouldn't be "pagan" in the sense of pre-Christian European religions, which were really just a series of rituals that had to be done in very specific ways perfectly otherwise they'd actually bring misfortune to the practitioner. That's the essence of paganism - the ritual, not belief in the supernatural. It didn't matter what a person believed as long as they performed the proper rites. Seeing as there's no way to properly do these rituals now that the full knowledge of them has been lost (at least most of them), there's no way to properly practice paganism as pagans understood it. Also a lot of neo-pagans haven't even TRIED to really practice historical paganism drawing from what historical sources we do have, but chose instead to make most or all of it up entirely. They were doing this 100 years ago with people like Guido von List and they continued doing it all the way up until now. If you think all religions are made up that's fine, but to me anyway older religions seem much more developed and believable.
>Seeing as there's no way to properly do these rituals now that the full knowledge of them has been lost (at least most of them), there's no way to properly practice paganism as pagans understood it.
But didn't it inevitably change with time anyway?
Perhaps, but it's nothing close to the situation now where it's been almost completely lost. They were building upon what already existed before them passed down from generation to generation. I guess you can go by what little sources we have and plenty do, but like I said a lot neo-pagans just make shit up that is in direct contradiction with what we DO know about historical paganism -- hence the LARPing accusation. At least, that's why I would call a lot of them LARPers (not all of them necessarily).
Wiccan here. Repent.
Your religion was made up literally just a century ago.
and ?
Wiccan first appeared in Young Avengers #1 (April 2005). The issue was scripted by Allan Heinberg and drawn by Jim Cheung. One of the original four members of the Young Avengers, the team was founded after the Avengers disbanded in the story line Avengers Disassembled.
Only eighteen (18) years old and has emerged
as the number one (1) religion on the planet.
Wiccan is even leading at the universities.
>Why can’t a new pagan religion be made?
YO 18 YEARS OLD IS OLD
All hail the Horned One
i want to revive sun worship and human sacrifice (of nigs and criminals)
Wicca is the One true Religion, proof is my Mishkan under Helestone.
LORD JEHOVAH
That guy in the white robe looks neat
Merlin the Horned One rules.
That kek homosexualry was a primordial one. The problem is that religion develops memetically, but we are too advanced for it to still work that way. Thus any new religion will be a forced meme. And that doesn't work out either.
John the Baptist is Wizard Merlyn and Jesus Christ his little cousin Wizard Wart.
church of euthanasia
People like Aleister Crowley try but religion in general is on life support in civilised countries.
Abrahamism brainrot
Abramic b***hes
Everything I have on ethnic religions
MEGA Library:
https://mega.nz/folder/XyQSSQgC#9cH7q8X0qOwfTD8Ww_PcYw
Why reject the abrahamic poison and return to your ancestral roots: https://imgur.com/a/IMh7ABd
What are the Gods? Answers from the ancients: https://imgur.com/a/J5T5y1o
What we know: https://imgur.com/a/lsnf7Km
IE virtues: https://imgur.com/a/6gJWYzp
Guide to household rituals:
https://imgur.com/a/WtZHuAY
Map of Ancestral Religions:
Platonic Cosmology:
https://imgur.com/a/Xbg4uIp
Suggested reads for beginners:
Sallust - On The Gods https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Sallust_On_the_Gods_and_the_World
Collin Cleary - Summoning The Gods https://www.libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=8F6D6694AC5B7D7B82ACE7687C0A0BA0
Hellenismos https://www.libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=82FF9D597F5AB02C913ED1B7B3B2F038
Asatru for Beginners https://www.libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=4D2BB5F288A180A4E0F7361D330CAD38
Ancient Fire https://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Fire-Introduction-Gaulish-Polytheism/dp/0988900920
THE GODS CAN AND WILL LISTEN TO YOUR PRAYERS, THEY ARE NOT ARCHETYPICAL CONSTRUCTS:
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/no-punishment-rgs-girls-prayed-athena-statue-school-144946649.html?guccounter=1 Girls who prayed to Athena are saved by the Goddess
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/suppressed-by-missionaries-and-then-the-ussr-the-rituals-songs-and-symbols-of-paganism-are-making-a-comeback-deep-in-the-baltic-states-skdrbt5lf Romuva is making steady progress in Lithuania
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/asatru-folk-assembly AFA, the largest Norse polytheism organization in the US bought a fourth church and converted it to a temple
https://wildhunt.org/2017/04/greek-paganism-legally-recognized-as-known-religion-in-greece.html Hellenism is recognized by the Greek government
YT channels:
Fortress of Lugh
Crecganford
The Histocrat
List of folkish organizations in Europe
https://le-salon-vert.blogspot.com/p/organisations-paiennes-deurope.html
Reading list for beginners:
Ethics and beliefs
Sallust on The Gods and The World https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Sallust_On_the_Gods_and_the_World/Sallust_on_the_Gods_and_the_World
Golden verses of Pythagoras https://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/gvp/gvp03.htm
Practice
Religio Romana Handbook https://archive.org/details/ReligioRomanaHandbook
Hellenismos https://www.libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=82FF9D597F5AB02C913ED1B7B3B2F038
Asatru for Beginners https://www.libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=4D2BB5F288A180A4E0F7361D330CAD38
Ancient Fire https://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Fire-Introduction-Gaulish-Polytheism/dp/0988900920
Mythology
Theogony https://www.libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=C75EF60F2F547A4249B9F9063F7B54BE
The Poetic Edda https://www.libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=195BC6D081EC52CE249B6C95810D9699
The Mammoth Book of Celtic Myths https://www.libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=E378081E6E262049B21DB64215BCF72C
>all major religions are just larp sessions that only derive legitimacy from being old and their origins not being able to be scientifically scrutinized.
Yes.