Why are semitics so religious?
How could such a small region shape the entire planet with their schizo beliefs?
Why are semitics so religious?
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Why are semitics so religious?
How could such a small region shape the entire planet with their schizo beliefs?
Because the Bible is true. Simple as.
Muhammad used to be a Christian before he corrupted its message.
As far as I know, the Abrahamic religions are the only ones that require their adherents to forcibly convert those around them.
>forcibly
No
We preach the Good News because we believe everyone must have the opportunity to make an informed choice as to whether they want to worship God or not
Are you speaking on behalf of all Abrahamics?
No, on behalf of Christians !
But no one likes JW gays, not even other Christians.
Jesus said there's only one kind of Christianity
https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/good-news-from-god/recognize-true-worshippers/
Okay so all Abrahamics commit violent conversion except for the users of that one website.
And link spam is still spam.
>Okay so all Abrahamics commit violent conversion
Not necessarily. Indonesia was converted to islam through trade, so did China with Buddhism
>And link spam is still spam
I see wikipedia links being posted all the time, why aren't they considered spam ?
By the first century C.E., Philo could write that the “beauty and dignity of the legislation of Moses is honoured not among the israelites only, but also by all other nations.” Regarding israelites living outside Palestine in the first century, israeli historian Joseph Klausner says: “It is hard to believe that all these millions of israelites had assembled themselves by emigration from little Palestine alone. One is forced to say that this great increase came also from the reception of male and female proselytes in large numbers.”
Likely some became interested in God because of discussions with israelites engaged in missionary activity or by observing how they were different in conduct, custom, and behavior.
The Septuagint was the main tool assisting these God-fearers to learn about Jehovah God. While there is no way to know the exact number of first-century God-fearers, the Septuagint unquestionably spread some knowledge about God throughout the Roman Empire. By means of the Septuagint, important groundwork was also being laid.
Oh I didn't realize JW's considered Buddhism an Abrahamic religion. I think that's probably the most delusional and/or idiotic thing I've seen you post so far.
And don't worry the Christians and the Muslims were plenty violent in Indonesia and China.
I never said buddhism was an abrahamic religion, friend
I said not all religions convert by force
Right not all religions do convert by force, but all Abrahamic religions do you dense motherfricker.
Christianity didn't
Chrostians preached to everyone, whether rich or poor, young or old all the while being persecuted by Romans and israelites
People who genuinely appreciate what God did for them listened and were baptized and tehy too preached the coming of God's Kingdom to bring people to salvation !
I know for a fact you don't believe that, you just think Christianity hasn't existed until 1920 or whatever. Half your posts are about the evil violence of fake Christians.
Yes my post is about genuine christianity, not fake christians
I don't see where the contradiction is
If you want me to summarize the history of Christianity I would gladly do so
Right, let me see if I can guess your summary, "All the violence in the history of Christianity was done by fake/not real Christians and real Christianity didn't start until an American failed to predict the end of the world." Do I have that right JW boy?
Can you find one Christian in the Bible that violently converted others or one command of Jesus that said to do so ?
What's the point if you're just going to make the braindead rebuttal of
>not real christians lmao
Would agree that if someone doesn't follow what Christ said then he isn't a Christians, yes or no ?
Genuinely asking
I have almost zero interest in inter-faith theological debate as to what constitutes 'following Christ'. If someone calls themselves a Christian, their state calls them a Christian, their Church calls themselves a Christian church. I'm not going to argue the point. Unlike you apparently.
This is truly the most pathetic attempt to dodge the violence of Christianity's past I've ever seen, where is the script on JW.org for this one boy?
What makes them christian ?
I thought I made it clear, we aren't arguing this point. And I already gave you a definition. You want me to repeat myself? Is this it? Is this the good news?
>And I already gave you a definition
Okay thank you for your answer
If you want, let's consider what Jesus himself says in Matthew 7:21
Do you know what it says ?
Why ?
I'm not a Christian moron, I don't care about your definitions. If someone calls themselves a Christian and represents a self professed Christian organization, it is not my problem.
Jesus himself talks about that in Matthew 7:21
He says:
> “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.
Wouldn't you trust the founder of the religion to define himself what makes someone part of the religion ?
He confirms that calling yourself a Christian doesn't necessarily makes you a Christian. What counts is "doing God's will"
Did the violent history of professed christians show that they were doing God's will ?
No Christian is doing God's will because God doesn't exist, all that there is are varying institutions claiming to do God's will.
Including those institutions that are claiming to do God's will by forcibly converting people.
>No Christian is doing God's will because God doesn't exist
What makes yous say that ?
Why are you asking such stupid questions? What does my definition of Christianity and my opinion of divinity have to do with Christian forced conversions?
Why are JW so full of themselves that they don't think that Matthew 7:21 applies to them, but instead everyone else?
Sorry I just can't take anyone seriously who does that.
>Why ?
Following a botched bible made by some American religious book selling MLMers because Charles Taze Russel, Rutherford and every other president kept fricking up and writing conflicting ramblings would be a nice start
I wanted to make sure if you have read my post here
And what are your thoughts on that please
Besides the Bible, history does show us that the Christianity that Jesus preached isn't the same that grew into power during the 5th century in the Roman Empire
Do you agree with this or not ?
If not, why
I wish to finish our conversation before I get banned again pls
I'll tell you the same thing every time, stop spamming and you don't get banned, just like Christianity, you don't get to change the definition of the word spam just so it suits you.
The Bible does give us a definition of what makes a Christian
True worshippers respect the Bible as God’s Word. They strive to live by its principles. So true religion differs from religion that is based on men’s ideas. (Matthew 15:7-9) True worshippers do not preach one thing and practice another.—Read John 17:17; 2 Timothy 3:16, 17.
Jesus’ true followers honor God’s name, Jehovah. Jesus honored God’s name by making it known. He helped people to know God and taught them to pray that God’s name be sanctified. (Matthew 6:9)—Read John 17:26; Romans 10:13, 14.
True Christians preach about God’s Kingdom. God sent Jesus to preach the good news of the Kingdom. God’s Kingdom is the only hope for mankind. Jesus continued speaking about it until his dying day. (Luke 4:43; 8:1; 23:42, 43) He said that his followers would preach about it.—Read Matthew 24:14.
Jesus’ followers are no part of this wicked world. You can recognize them by the way they take no part in politics or social conflicts. (John 17:16; 18:36) Also, they do not imitate the world’s harmful practices and attitudes.—Read James 4:4.
True Christians have outstanding love for one another. From God’s Word, they learn to respect all ethnic groups. Although false religions have often strongly supported the wars of the nations, true worshippers refuse to do so. (Micah 4:1-3) Rather, true Christians unselfishly use their time and resources to help and encourage others.—Read John 13:34, 35; 1 John 4:20.
It's not my opinion or changing the definition, it's the standards that God has set
Every single Christian group claims to do those things. Including the ones who commit violent conversions.
>Every single Christian group claims to do those things.
Yet do you agree that claiming something and actually doing something are two different things ?
>botched bible
Why ?
Yes of course those are two different things, however this is not what is going on. All Christians are claiming to do those things, which is what I said.
The difference is what they interpret those actions to mean. i.e. how to implement God's will. And I'm not going to argue how one group fails to implement this and another doesn't.
This is truly the lowest form of sophistry.
Arguments over minutiae aren't going to convince me that violence in the name of Christ should be ignored as Christian violence.
I'm not sure how you can interprete something that isn't here
Can you please find one Christian in the Bible that violently converted others or one command of Jesus that said to do so ?
Wouldn't you trust the founder of the religion to define himself what makes someone part of the religion ?
Lol you really like asking the same questions over and over don't you.
>Can you please find one Christian in the Bible that violently converted others or one command of Jesus that said to do so ?
>Can you find one Christian in the Bible that violently converted others or one command of Jesus that said to do so ?
It's like talking to a real life bot, I guess this is what JW does to you? You start acting like a program with only a handful of responses. I guess I have no choice but to repeat myself again, I'm not talking about the bible I'm talking about the religion and I can give you a million examples. What do you think about that? They don't count because they only called themselves Christians and worshipped Christ incorrectly?
>I'm not talking about the bible I'm talking about the religion and I can give you a million examples. What do you think about that? They don't count because they only called themselves Christians and worshipped Christ incorrectly?
do you think they are christian according to the Bible ?
Oh I'm not defining Christians by scripture, you really want to repeat all this again? You want to ask me how I define them for the third or fourth time? Go on do it I dare you.
Sorry if I keep "repeating myself" but I'm want to know something
The Bible says there will be fake christians as in Matthew 7:21
But for you, all christians are the same and there are no fake christian
is that correct ?
Well for me, if someone tells me they are a Christian I believe them, like today you say you are a Christian okay I believe you, tomorrow another Christian comes up to me and he says he is Christian and that JWs aren't Christian, okay I believe him to. You are both Christians and both think the other isn't. Now I'm curious if this is actually something you can wrap your head around lol.
And speaking of repeating things I think you have mentioned that verse like fie times as well.
so you believe Matthew 7:21 is wrong
correct ?
Yeah I think its wrong, I don't think if you do anything one way or the other you get to heaven. But again, why are you asking me?
He's saying that regardless of the politics between different christians, most of these christians genuinely acted how they did because they truly believed they were THE true chrisitans and acted in gods will. That's why they are identified as christians
Hitler genuinely believed what he did was right as well
yea
>most of these christians genuinely acted how they did because they truly believed they were THE true christians and acted in gods will
How do you know they didn't. But I doubt a 12th century peasent would uproot his entire life to follow his lord thousands of miles to fight brown people with onionhats in a desert if he didn't believe in it himself. I supoose you could say many people just did it for show, like many a pope. But not many people on ground level would kill for something they didn't believe in.
>most of these christians genuinely acted how they did because they truly believed they were THE true chrisitans and acted in gods will.
how do you know that ?
Do you know who founded Christianity ?
>Do you know who founded Christianity ?
I'm going to guess you think Christ founded Christianity. But in my opinion this is irrelevant to how Christians act and what makes a person a Christianity. Romulus founded the Roman empire, so what? Every person that doesn't live like Romulus is no longer a Roman?
He can't figure this out, pretty funny honestly.
>Why?
I just said it, it was written by an organization with an agenda to keep its flowering in their cult and because it was increasingly difficult to follow the conflicting writing of the different presidents. Why would I follow this fringe group with a suspicious bible or any modern translation for that matter? Its all been filtered by centuries of political and ideological machinations, since the only thing that Christians hate more than apostates are other Christians seemingly...
>it was written by an organization with an agenda
What is its agenda ?
>to keep its flowering in their cult
What is their purpose ?
>follow the conflicting writing of the different presidents
Can you name one example ?
>Why would I follow this fringe group with a suspicious bible or any modern translation for that matter?
How is the Bible suspicious ?
>Its all been filtered by centuries of political and ideological machinations, since the only thing that Christians hate more than apostates are other Christians seemingly...
Commenting on the text of the Hebrew Scriptures (commonly called the “Old Testament”), scholar William H. Green stated: “It may be safely said that no other work of antiquity has been so accurately transmitted.”
Regarding the Christian Greek Scriptures, or “New Testament,” Bible scholar F. F. Bruce wrote: “The evidence for our New Testament writings is ever so much greater than the evidence for many writings of classical authors, the authenticity of which no one dreams of questioning.”
Sir Frederic Kenyon, a noted authority on Bible manuscripts, stated that one “can take the whole Bible in his hand and say without fear or hesitation that he holds in it the true Word of God, handed down without essential loss from generation to generation throughout the centuries.”
>Would agree that if someone doesn't follow what Christ said then he isn't a Christians, yes or no ?
Then almost 100% of christians to ever exist would be "real" christians
and before you reply, that includes JW schizos
I'm not talking about the bible, I'm talking about the religion. And I have a million examples of Christians forcing conversions since it starts as soon as the become a state religion and hasn't stopped yet.
>Christianity didn't
imagine having the balls to say this
I was trying to be respectful with my post
But now you just confirmed you're an utter moron
>Indonesia was converted to islam through trade, so did China with Buddhism
absolutely moronic take
Islam was introduced through trade, yes, but most of the islands were islamisized through outright conquest. You would know that if you bothered to read 5 minutes of wikipedia at least
>The Septuagint was the main tool assisting these God-fearers to learn about Jehovah God. While there is no way to know the exact number of first-century God-fearers, the Septuagint unquestionably spread some knowledge about God throughout the Roman Empire. By means of the Septuagint, important groundwork was also being laid.
Are you intentionally misunderstanding me. All I said was judaism was/is insular (which is true), This does NOT imply that people did not convert or adapt israeli teaching and rites into their personals faiths. israelites did and still do NOT proselytize like Christians do. Christians willingly spread to every corner of the empire to actively bring people into their cult. No other faith had done that to such an extent. Before, to learn about and be introduced to a faith, you needed to go to them to learn about what it entailed. After Christianity, the faith came to you and you'd better be ready to kneel.
>Islam was introduced through trade, yes, but most of the islands were islamisized through outright conquest. You would know that if you bothered to read 5 minutes of wikipedia at least
Okay
>Are you intentionally misunderstanding me. All I said was judaism was/is insular (which is true), This does NOT imply that people did not convert or adapt israeli teaching and rites into their personals faiths. israelites did and still do NOT proselytize like Christians do. Christians willingly spread to every corner of the empire to actively bring people into their cult. No other faith had done that to such an extent. Before, to learn about and be introduced to a faith, you needed to go to them to learn about what it entailed. After Christianity, the faith came to you and you'd better be ready to kneel.
I think israelites similarly did preach their faith as far as they could, though not as far as Christianity of course
See: https://web.archive.org/web/20180524044955/https://www.haaretz.com/1.5007179
" The people did not spread, but the israeli religion spread. Judaism was a converting religion. Contrary to popular opinion, in early Judaism there was a great thirst to convert others. "
>imagine having the balls to say this
I stand by what I said though
Can you name one example of Christians forcing their religion on others ?
I know there is a pretty famous case of the maccabees forcefully converting the edomites. But othewise I will just leave it at that, religion in antiquity was much more decentralized and much lesser proselytizing took place. I guess I'll give you the benefit of the doubt when there was probably some israelites spreading their faith, but the majority joined because they wanted too instead of being bombarded by a door knocker or by the sword.
>Can you name one example of Christians forcing their religion on others ?
I could give you countless examples but see
. I know you'll just say none of them were """"real"""" chrisitans, so i'd rather not waste that time
> I know you'll just say none of them were """"real"""" chrisitans, so i'd rather not waste that time
Would agree that if someone doesn't follow what Christ said then he isn't a Christian, yes or no ?
Genuinely asking
Didn’t the Greek Seleucids try to force the worship of Greek Gods onto the israelites though?
Okay so in that case I'm mostly correct about abhramics, now are you speaking on behalf of all Christians like say Catholics?
Are you the JW schizo back?
Judaism was/is pretty insular
christianity was really the first of its kind that actively held itself above other faiths and actively proselytized which no other faith did either at all or nowhere near the extent of christianity. If anything I'm surprised it took this long to get a religion that spreads like the plague and doesn't get diluted/merged with other faiths like greek polytheism did during the hellenistic period
Greek and Romans tell us that israelites actually actively spread the message of the Tanakh to Gentiles
That's why there were a number of converts and "God-Fearers" in the old Empire
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God-fearer
>> Greek and Romans tell us that israelites actually actively spread the message of the Tanakh to Gentiles
> Wikipedia
> Sourcing a bunch of israelite rodents
Ignored!
Provide primary sources or GTFO.
Doesn't really say much. It basically just says that some goys took up some of the israeli rites and a few converted fully (most immigrants to the region). There really is zero concrete evidence of active proselytization on the absurd scale of christianity (Using a JW comparison, I sincerely doubt anyone was knocking on doors giving people the good news about Zeus, Jupiter, Osiris, etc), and I already said, people blended faiths and converted to and from pretty regularly back then. (I.e. romans adopting the greek pantheon, the mystery faiths, the ptolemaic cult in egypt which was a blend of greek and egyptian elements) greeks really adapted and adopted the many different faiths of the people in their spheres of influence, judaism was no different.
Christianity was the first one to say "Ok, I own the absolute truth, you follow my faith or you either go to hell (before they had any power) or we kill you (after they got power in the empire)"
>Christianity was the first one to say "Ok, I own the absolute truth, you follow my faith or you either go to hell (before they had any power) or we kill you (after they got power in the empire)"
The Bible predicted that apostate Christians would outgrow Genuine Christians after the death of the last apostle (John) in 100 AD
They taught things that weren't in the Bible and their behavior confirmed that they didn't follow Jesus at all
Read the parable of the wheats and the weeds
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/ws20130715/jesus-parable-wheat-and-weeds/
It wasn't Semitic, it was hametic.
All Abrahimic religion have their origin in Atenism.
Surprisingly enough, Atenism never became popular amongst the people who invented it (ancient Egyptians).
It only really took off in Palestine.
Akenhaten ruled 200 years after God made a covenant with Moses
Cause we’re not gays like steppe Black folk and we remain the only masculine race in the world with an appreciation of hierarchy, which includes the one true God at the top.
This question goes back to ye olde Sunday School lessons. That Jesus Christ came at exactly the right timing as roads, concrete, books or scrolls, could be made, and the gospel could spread as far and wide and as fast as possible. Before these things existed, it would have been much harder, or even impossible, to spread the gospel by ship, by cart, or by safety of travel.
So God waited until things were just right on the earth for Jesus to come. I mean, the prophecies alone were so numerous and complicated for humans to have set up, themselves, that no one person could have figured it all out theirself. So it is definitely a proof in itself, and God gave such proof for man to awe in God's planning.
God is not represented by only the three icons shown in this picture, in passing. In fact, those three guys are trying to deceive from the Word being that Heaven has no king but Jesus Himself. The signs are just trying to help.
Just as now there is internet, jets, spaceships flown by computers, home robots are on their way, faster gigabit internet is on its way, more realistic videogames are on their way in addition to augmented reality for the home desktop computer that can pilot said robots. Immortality is on its way. The Kingdom of God is near, and it is in Heaven. The earth passeth away. The resurrection of the dead is coming closer. The times are also darker, but, the light of Christ is life and eternal life, and no darkness can put it out.