Who created god?

Who created god?

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  1. 4 months ago
    Dirk

    God is not a creature

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Neither is the universe.

      • 4 months ago
        Dirk

        Proof?

        Then why do the New and Old Testaments ascribe qualities to him inherent only in creatures

        Literary device

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          So the universe is a creature according to Dirk?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Was the crucifixion also a literary device? What about the tower of babel? How do you distinguish between historical accounts and literary devices?

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            Historical-grammatical hermeneutics

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I see, so you just pick whichever interpretation is more convenient?

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            Is that what I said?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's too soon to be losing track of the conversation, dirk !!hGWqjxceevY.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Then why do the New and Old Testaments ascribe qualities to him inherent only in creatures

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >buzzword salad
      Is he energy? Or, maybe, he is a singularity?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      How do you know?

      • 4 months ago
        Dirk

        Revelation & logical necessity

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          But it's both has been revealed to me, and is logically necessary, that god is a creature?

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            Logical and revelatory proof? The prophets and apostles worked miracles to legitimize their revelation, and the first cause argument is ancient.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I've worked miracles as well that prove God is a creature.

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            Testimonies?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's true. I was there.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            500 people witnessed me walk on water in Utah.
            I turned water into beer at a wedding in Rome, Georgia.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I saw him do it. It was incredible.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            John 20:28-29
            Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's logically necessary that everything must come from something.

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            False
            Every effect needs a cause. Everything that begins to exist must come from something.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's what I said? Everything must come from something

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            The universe didn't begin to exist, therefore it doesn't require a cause.

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            Proof?

            That's what I said? Everything must come from something

            False

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Do you have proof the universe did begin to exist?

            My proof the universe did not begin to exist:
            In black holes, where matter is condensed to a singularity, time and space are inversed. Time does not move forward or backward.
            At the beginning of the universe, the universe was condensed into a singularity, similar to how a black hole is.
            Therefore, time was not moving forward or backward at t = 0, until the Big Bang began expansion of the singularity.
            Therefore, the universe has existed at all points in time.

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            >my proof the universe did not begin to exist
            >at the beginning of the universe

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            "at the beginning of the universe" is the universe pre-Big Bang

            The universe did not "begin to exist", it began in a timeless state different than it is today.
            Read my post, I explained this.

            This doesn't refute a "first mover" argument, but it does refute a first cause argument that has God create the universe ex nihilo.

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            >the universe did not begin to exist, it began

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            If God began without the Son being killed and raised from the dead, does that mean God began to exist at some point in time?

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            Yes, if god began then that means god began

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            So God began to exist if the Son was killed and raised from the dead?
            That means the Christian God cannot be an uncaused cause.

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            Not what I said

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm confused because I made that argument, and then you agreed with me.

            So again, I said

            If God began without the Son being killed and raised from the dead, does that mean God began to exist at some point in time?

            >If God began without the Son being killed and raised from the dead, does that mean God began to exist at some point in time?
            Where I am a wrong here?
            I'm using your criticism of my argument that the universe began in a timeless state, and then changed with the Big Bang, and applying it to God.

            God BEGAN without the Son being killed and resurrected. Death and Resurrection are a change in the state of the Son, part of the Godhead.

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            The inclusion of the first "began" makes your statement a tautology
            God did not begin in biblical/christian theology. That is quite literally the meaning of the name YHWH.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Agree or disagree:
            God began without the Son being killed and resurrected.

            At Genesis chapter 1, had the Son been killed and resurrected from the dead?

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            I just said "god did not begin"

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why can't you answer the question?

            Was the Son killed and resurrected at the time period of Genesis 1?

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            You just changed the question

            Is god illogical, or is god not a thing, or is it not logically necessary for everything to come from something?

            God is logical
            God is a being
            It is not logically necessary for everything to come from something. I just explained this to you.
            Everything that begins to exist must come from something. Every effect has a cause, but not every cause is an effect. First cause. You're like 2500 years late to this question in philosophy.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I asked the same question:

            Agree or disagree:
            God began without the Son being killed and resurrected.

            At Genesis chapter 1, had the Son been killed and resurrected from the dead?

            Why can't you answer the question?

            Was the Son killed and resurrected at the time period of Genesis 1?

            Why does this make you so uncomfortable?
            I can phrase it differently a third time for you:
            Was the Son always killed and resurrected?
            Was there a period in time where the Son was not killed and resurrected?

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            I'm comfortable, you're just illiterate.

            >God began without the Son being killed and resurrected.
            No, because God did not begin

            >Was the son killed and resurrected at the time of Genesis 1?
            No, the crucifixion and resurrection happened in time, and at a different time than the creation

            >Was the son always killed and resurrected
            No, same as above

            >Was there a period in time where the son was not killed and resurrected
            Every point in time because the crucifixion and resurrection are different overlapping moments.
            Reading it in past, not past perfect, tense, there was a time before the crucifixion and there is now time after the crucifixion.

            I see where you got confused. Causation is an effect. Hope that cleared things up for you.

            Absurd

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Reading it in past, not past perfect, tense, there was a time before the crucifixion and there is now time after the crucifixion
            ok so we both agree, something can be uncaused but change over time.

            So the universe initially was a singularity, is no longer a singularity since the Big Bang, but has always existed.

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            >initially
            You just keep contradicting yourself. Do you get that?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Was the Son initially crucified and resurrected at the beginning, i.e. Genesis 1?

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            No
            Do you see the contradictions I keep pointing out?

            Everything must come from something.

            Proof?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Which contradictions?

            I'll quote you and make a comparison:

            I'm comfortable, you're just illiterate.

            >God began without the Son being killed and resurrected.
            No, because God did not begin

            >Was the son killed and resurrected at the time of Genesis 1?
            No, the crucifixion and resurrection happened in time, and at a different time than the creation

            >Was the son always killed and resurrected
            No, same as above

            >Was there a period in time where the son was not killed and resurrected
            Every point in time because the crucifixion and resurrection are different overlapping moments.
            Reading it in past, not past perfect, tense, there was a time before the crucifixion and there is now time after the crucifixion.

            [...]
            Absurd

            >Reading it in past, not past perfect, tense, there was a time before the crucifixion and there is now time after the crucifixion.
            There was a time before the Big Bang, and there is now a time after the Big Bang.

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            These contradictions

            >my proof the universe did not begin to exist
            >at the beginning of the universe

            >the universe did not begin to exist, it began

            >initially
            You just keep contradicting yourself. Do you get that?

            All you're saying now is that the big bang was an event in time

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >All you're saying now is that the big bang was an event in time
            Yes.
            The crucifixion and resurrection was also an event in time.

            There could very well be a contradiction in my argument, but it would equally apply to the Christian God.

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            What's your argument?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're free to read my posts.

            You said there was a contradiction in that the universe began without the expansion of Big Bang, and the universe being pre-existent.

            I responded that there would therefore be a contradiction between God beginning without the Son being killed and resurrected, and God being uncaused.

            In both cases, there is a change in the state of the thing, but the thing has always existed and is uncaused.

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            >you said...
            No, I didnt
            You are not understanding the contractions and I don't know how to make you. You're saying something did not begin and did begin in the same thought.

            >there would be a contradiction between god beginning without the son being killed and resurrected, and god being uncaused
            Yes, that is a contradiction. You're saying "god beginning" and "god being uncaused". You are not understanding the concept.

            As I said, god did not begin in christian theology

            The inclusion of the first "began" makes your statement a tautology
            God did not begin in biblical/christian theology. That is quite literally the meaning of the name YHWH.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Your whole argument depends on misquoting me and being anal with language.

            I said several times that the universe BEGAN without the Big Bang.
            As far as I am aware, in your world view God BEGAN without the Son being killed and resurrected.
            If you then say "uh well God did not begin" you're just refusing to address the argument itself and are objecting to the use of specific verbs in contexts you don't like..

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            >I said several times that the universe BEGAN
            I KNOW

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >as far as I am aware, in your world view god BEGAN
            What did I just say moron?

            Proving my point Dirk. kek.
            What was the other half of those sentences?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            This is honestly pathetic, Dirk. It's plain as day what his point is and the only thing you can do is try to avoid it by equivocating on what he means by "begin". You're just demonstrating that you have no argument.

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            >equivocating
            ?????

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            >as far as I am aware, in your world view god BEGAN
            What did I just say moron?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Logical necessity.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not him (obviously) but logic actually cannot sustain this. Everything having to come from something leaves you with infinite regress.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Absurd
            But enough about first cause theory.

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            Refute it

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Everything must come from something.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I see where you got confused. Causation is an effect. Hope that cleared things up for you.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Is god illogical, or is god not a thing, or is it not logically necessary for everything to come from something?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Are you also confused when anons say you are fuming with rage, because steam isn't literally coming out of your ears?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            How can it be false? It's logically necessary.

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

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    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    God

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Goddesses and Gods were created by Satan the Devil and his Angels

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Creator Devil Satan

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

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  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hail Satan

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The human intellect.

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    watching dirk sperg out has convinced me that god is not real

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      God is real.

      >inb4 prove it
      I healed 20 lepers last weekend.

      500 people witnessed it. Ask any of them, and they'll tell you it's true.

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    So who?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      The primordial Chaos Dragon.
      Read the Enuma Elish.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Who created the primordial Chaos Dragon?

        God existed before creation took shape. He IS uncreated Light and darkness does Not understand or grasp him. IT does Not understand while He IS the one WHO understands, glorified and everlasting.

        Nobody. God is uncreated.

        So what's the difference from a singularity (besides a singularity could cope with iron chariots)?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          The primordial Chaos Dragon is uncreated.
          It birthed the gods, and the Dragon was smote by Lord Marduk, who used it's body to create the world.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody. God is uncreated.

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    God existed before creation took shape. He IS uncreated Light and darkness does Not understand or grasp him. IT does Not understand while He IS the one WHO understands, glorified and everlasting.

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