What exactly makes something a "cult" and not a religious group? Not enough normies believe in it?
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What exactly makes something a "cult" and not a religious group? Not enough normies believe in it?
literally how widely accepted it is
you are coooooooooooooooooooooooorrect
Religions have more of a mass following, so yeah more normie recognition
reddit-tier smoothbrain take
the real answer is that a "cult", by nature, must have hidden teachings and degrees of initiation. freemasonry is a cult. thelema is a cult. wicca is a cult. some fringe sects of hinduism and buddhism are cults.
>Christianity started as a cult
no, because christianity never had any hidden teachings. they're actually, ironically, pretty much the opposite of a cult by standard definition.
no, a cult is a religion that has secret teachings and degrees of initiation. the neo-druid isaac bonewits should understand this very well, and it's a great blow to his credibility if he does not.
>ironically the real reddit smoothbrain take
"cult am just religions that am unpopular" is a moron-tier take if you're any older than 14, frickin' cope man
Christianity does have hidden teachings and Jesus said it himself. Degrees are stages into a religion and Christianity has them as well!
""Christian initiation” refers to the ritual process employed by various churches in forming new Christian converts through catechesis (instruction) during the “catechumenate” to baptism, post baptismal rites (including hand-laying and anointing, sometimes called “confirmation”), culminating in First Communion and leading to the further integration of these newly initiated members into ongoing Christian life through “mystagogy.”
So, by your definition, Christianity is a cult! Yes, Bonewits knew about degrees and the Druid order he founded has them.
>Christianity has no secret teachings
What did the nephilim look like?
What did the watchers look like?
What are apocrypha?
What is the churches history of oppression of heresy?
The secret teaching is that Christianity is a religion of blood and genocide, you only learn this once you are too deep in to leave. The level of mental gymnastics it takes to believe that a Yahweh is anything but a demon in angels clothing is astounding.
New potential converts and young children are left completely ignorant of all these questions that the Bible fails to answer, because it's simply a piece of censored propaganda.
Christianity is a cult of Yahweh killing his own son
The only different between a cult and a major religion is the number of followers, yes. Judaism started as a Yahwist cult that competed with the worship of Ba'al. Christianity started as a cult that competed with mainstream Judaism. Islam started as a cult that competed with both Christianity and Judaism. And so on and so on forever.
Cult leaders can change history forever. Never let anyone tell you they're not important.
kill all kings and queens, hold the heads of princes and erase their dominion from this earth if you care about freedom
when it's the reverse and I'm skinning christians + pagans alive and don't care about you who are unless you make a good partner to the skinning and eating
I don't care much about religions, I just wanna feel intensities and touch things more ancient than this modern era, I don't care about what hellish monsters that find themselves inside of me to possess me, all I know is that everything must be destroyed and that's all I know, we're going back to being cavemen and I don't care about god, gods, jesus, nor ever being saved, they're the enemy and I just want to be free, it's itching and scratching out of my skin to just be free
that's why whenever they're gone we kill ourselves too
You realize that by giving these belief systems this much psychic energy you're still playing into them, right? The only winning move is to STUDY these faiths from a detached historical perspective so as to appreciate why and how they emerged. After that point, you can truly feel more comfortable in letting those ideas go.
I don't give a frick, it was death from the start anyways, I have idiots like you that wanna dissect it as anything else
It sounds like you just want something to complain about then
There is everything to complain about, I have a billion grievances non-ending
Have you considered taking things into your own hands? Impotent rage isn't a good look.
Keep the apocalypse rolling, key in, right on frame, and make a 2 hour movie out of it already you dumb fricks
Destroying those faiths wouldn't automatically unbrainwash you bro.
You're literally a b***h for a horde of demons, fricking edgelords.
Smug atheists and satanists ironic or unironic are literally having their soul gangbanged by demons 24/7
You morons are gay as frick and literally gaslight demons to be this way fricking homosexuals
I will in fact keep having sex with demons and spirits outside of the domain of society in very dark areas at night
Cool enjoy hell I guess.
I'm preparing for hell every day honestly, I'll survive there like I've survived here
I don't think you understand what "Hell" really is anon. It's not some cool dark underground nightclub where all the edgy sinners go to sin for eternity.
Bring it on
I'm imagining infernal raging hatreds with the coals baked to max as my flesh boils into mutilated pusscesses in a limit experience of torment and pain, and if this is the world you're going to just toss me into for what I do, I don't give a frick, burn me till I die and I'll survive, I think about it every day while already writing while experience simulating me being torn about with organs tapped to a table, I wasn't the one who exactly made hell, but if I must go through it in order to finally touch light, that's fine, at one point I never had eyes to see and now I do, that's all I know, behind that just words and imageries to describe what I'll see next as my life slows down a drain of 20 to 60 years, I want liberation before my biology is intersected into ur fricking God systems as you try to strip me of my own ficking biology, I call from inside of my life and your God keeps you from the nightmares so you live in Disney land as if
Right under heaven, what keeps the engines is 10,000 infernal generators fed on the flesh of ur others, and why, because "my messiah", most Roman's didn't even really think on such a world till ur religion showed it how to make a infernal engine that can be used to spiritually harden and correct others
I preferred the desert honestly and would rather stay in it than go to hell for sure, but I will survive and go through whatever I can to exist, I just know whenever the earth blew into pieces I never had a name written down on a piece of paper till I was made to be written down by the oil derelicts that jerk God off to death
In the strictly literal sense there’s no difference between a cult and a religion besides the connotations you choose to apply to both. What has historically differentiated cults from religons is that religions were just cults that the king/empower or endorsed or otherwise approved of.
a lot of things could be considered cults.
it all boils down to basic tribal think and human beings not having an explanation for their existence or place in the universe.
paired with the fact that many people have seen some rather spooky stuff. they draw their own conclusions and find their tribe, i guess.
everyone is wrong about everything for the most part. in all likelihood we are a farm planet or annunaki slaves or whatever.
Is that pic from the ultra-patriotic "saint germain" USA cult?
Yes. It's quickly becoming my new obsession, which is a little scary but oh well I'm sure I will figure things out
In circles with more scrutiny, the word cult is used specifically for more destructive and controlling groups that demand all your loyalty money and labor. There's a difference between a bunch of hippies meeting up to charge crystals and see UFO's and then a cult that wants the leader to frick your wife and change your name and kill someone for him
You're thinking of the Church Universal and Triumphant, yes that's where OP got it from. Saint Germain is one of the guys they worship
>You're thinking of the Church Universal and Triumphant
You sure? I think
is but I'm pretty sure the OP image is from Guy Ballard's organization in the 30s
You're right, I'm a dumbass and always ignored the I AM movement. I was thinking of this b***h and similarly patriotic spirituality
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She made her group all build huge underground bunkers and live in them thinking the Soviets were gonna nuke America
Also "cult" could easily refer to destructive and dogmatic non-religious groups too, like political groups, self-help groups, even companies
>CERN Shiva statue
Uhh what did they mean by this?
Do you fricking /x/ schizos think CERN invented this ancient as frick Shiva statue or were the first to copy it
No but I'm wondering why both groups decided to go with the exact same one.
It's like asking why two different groups use the crucifix, it's a very common and old symbol
In facts it makes more sense for a new age theosophist-rooted cult to use the Shiva statue than CERN
They also worship the statue of liberty, they use fricking everything
I fricking hate normalized necromancy
Is that really at Cern? If so, then they also worship St Germain.
surprised they don't worship cern-unnos
>Is that really at Cern?
No you fricking moron, it's a Church Universal and Triumphant altar. Learn to read
olden times: local/regional smol denomination equivalent, sometimes human leader, other times patron deity
modern times: always human leader, almost always exploitative, usually psychically abusive
words used to mean things
All religion is cult. Religion is cult that has massive culture with it.
there's basically no difference between a cult and a religion, except the volume of violence it's capable of exerting on outside cults/religions
A religion is a tradition of conscious personal development, a cult is a group with a shared object of worship and rituals.
>A religion is a tradition of conscious personal development, a cult is a group with a shared object of worship and rituals.
Catholicism is a cult got it
So are all branches of Xtianity, get off your high horse.
>Xtianity
Hi Moishe
my family is wasp as frick, and growing up i always spelled it "xtian" (and "xmas" etc.) just because it's shorter and easier
serious question, is abbreviating christ as x a "israeli" thing?
>is abbreviating christ as x a "israeli" thing?
I was under the impression it what, sort of like how they will never write out the word "God"
X and P joined together is a symbol of Christianity! So, X is short for Christ. "XP" and :PX", and the extra "t" is to distinguish them from "Xian" which has other meanings.
>anyone who reads more than me is a israelite
It's based on the Greek Χριστός
To me a cult is a combination of unhinged and malice. Scientology is huge as frick, still a cult. If they weren't like running police departments and gangstalking people, I'd be more inclined to say the silly thetan alien group is a form of religion.
Heavens Gate without the koolaid wouldn't be much different than those odd one-off churches you see with really specific beliefs.
Heaven's Gate is really unique in that they allowed members sometimes to just leave into society if they wanted, literally just pay you a bus ticket if you didn't want to be with the crunchy granola UFO group anymore.
They were really adamant about you only being there if you actually wanted to, too bad about the ball stuff and suicide though. It was really relaxed compared to shit like Aum Shinrikyo
I'm sure a bunch of reddit-tier edgelords are going to refer to academic definitions to imply that bland Protestant churches are just the same as Heaven's Gate.
In common parlance, I think a "cult" is distinguished by a high degree of separation from surrounding society, an emphasis on rejecting other social bonds in favor of the cult, and a demand that a member's efforts be devoted almost exclusively to the group as opposed to meeting individual or outside group needs.
So meeting once a week at a temple to pray, giving it a portion of your income, and still being able to have friends or family who don't go to the temple is not what most people would think of as a "cult".
Living on a compound with other members, spending most of your working efforts to support the group, and being strongly discouraged or punished for having contact with outsiders is what most people would consider a "cult".
>high degree of separation from surrounding society, an emphasis on rejecting other social bonds in favor of the cult, and a demand that a member's efforts be devoted almost exclusively to the group as opposed to meeting individual or outside group needs
That is the academic definition
I meant the ones that essentially say any shared beluef system is a "cult"
That's the more ancient literal definition
Well maybe I messed up my word choice but hopefully my point still came through.
Yeah I get it, I'm just being a little shit. But I don't care about redditors
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The difference is in how we define society. You, being a globalist, believe society to be some world-wide thing. I believe it to be a small, tribal-level in-group. By your definition, what I call society is a cult, but from where I stand your version of society is much more cult like as it predicates an assumption of oneness with objective others
I'm not sure if your comment was directed at me but I'm the one who provided the definition involving separation from outside society.
I dont know what you mean by being a "globalist" and I'm not sure I really got your point.
Suppose you have a few thousand people living in a city who mostly speak the same language and are largely economically interconnected. Would that be too large to constitute a "society" for you?
oh i ma sure you felt attacked b being "called" a "globalist"; follow this fear and i will corner you between opinions... avoid that, if i am not being ~ mark~ to manipulate enough -- do you still care if this is "et tech"?
just let the ants march. maybe it's funny to fix?
How willing they are to share what they know without strings attached. This is distinct from evangelism, which always comes with strings attached.
The Christcucks have done their best to make the term "Cult" as something evil, but it just means a religious group. They consider a cult to be anything other than their religion. Yes, some cults are totalitarian and Vicious, so here's a more balanced Evaluation by Isaac Bonewits about dangerous cults that don't have your best interests at heart:
https://www.neopagan.net/ABCDEF.html
Haha and funny allusion to the book "Illuminati"
Its a cult when the leader is still alive. Its a religion if people still believe it after hes gone.
If you like it, its a religion. If you don't like it, it's a cult. Simple as
>but muh hidden teachings
There's hidden teachings in virually every discipline, including things like carpentry and programming
my freedom is to post in here and see my post indirectly rebuked. i know i'll rest in peace, unlike yall paranoid weirdoes.
In cults you worship a person.
In religion you worship deities.
But, the Truth, well my brother, is found only in one man. Jesus Christ.
keyed
Kindly stop "worshipping" me and lose my grave's address, creepy Pagan swines. You will NEVER be israeli.
>t. Yeshu ben Miriam
You don't worship Christ, you walk with Him.
Jehova's Witness?
Cults require initiation and genuine belief and commitment. There's no such thing as a casual cultist.
Religions, on the other hand, are lower commitment. There are plenty of religious people for whom their religion is just how they were raised and it functions more as a social club.