>catholicism ruined the western world
yes it definitely wasn't the reformation which definitely didn't lay the groundwork for the enlightenment and liberalism
US illiterate pigs really do believe anything they are told in media/school.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>the US, a liberal protestant country, teaches reformation bad
how many brain cells do you possess
1 year ago
Anonymous
My post was against the idea that historical events are not prone to dialectical analysis. Protestantism was not caused by the ground laid by Catholicism ---it used it as a resource and a scapegoat. Protestantism is not christianism, at least in the sence that Catholicism constructed the concept of Christianism. (English and US people may not like it, because they are educated that way; but everyone else know this for fact).
1 year ago
Anonymous
>My post was against the idea that historical events are prone to dialectical analysis
ftfm
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Catholicism constructed the concept of Christianism.
Very much not true. Catholicism was created as a result of the Emperor Constantine. There was a lot of different Christians before then. I mean come on.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Did any of those pre-catholic conceptions of Christianism were used by Protestantism?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Probably
1 year ago
Anonymous
By the radical reformation somewhat. Luther and the descendants of his movement were beholden to the catholic tradition just not the Catholic hierarchy. I'm not sure that it's fair though to criticize for not using pre-nicene conceptions when those were violently persecuted and destroyed for 1000 years though.
1 year ago
Anonymous
i assumed was directed at
>catholicism ruined the western world
yes it definitely wasn't the reformation which definitely didn't lay the groundwork for the enlightenment and liberalism
given dostodoppleganger.jpg
My post was against the idea that historical events are not prone to dialectical analysis. Protestantism was not caused by the ground laid by Catholicism ---it used it as a resource and a scapegoat. Protestantism is not christianism, at least in the sence that Catholicism constructed the concept of Christianism. (English and US people may not like it, because they are educated that way; but everyone else know this for fact).
i largely agree with this
in practical terms the reformation was simply the widespread theft of church property and usurping of political power
More akin the free men from cities, or bourgeois by other name. Of course catholic church not responding to the complaints not just from the people, but clergy as well had an impact. So there was tension, and vatican did its thing and declared everyone else wrong, making the argument into conflict.
>Christians with bloody hands
How does this ever happen? What catastrophic breakdown of sense and humility lead to even one loss of life?
[...]
The world was and always has been pagan. Why use the power of pagan Caesar to enforce your religion that is supposed to be against force?
>religion that is supposed to be against force
Have you read the old testament?
>making the argument into conflict
while i'm sympathetic to the fact that the complaints were handled poorly, said complaints were merely a pretense for politically motivated actors
unless that's the point you're making in which case i concur
1 year ago
Anonymous
The papacy being the foremost of these politically motivated actors.
1 year ago
Anonymous
the papacy was the foremost proponent of the reformation? how does that work exactly
1 year ago
Anonymous
Read
The papacy being the foremost of these politically motivated actors.
Catholic church cares first about politics, and religion is the secondary matter. It will betray its stock for political power, always has always will.
>Have you read the old testament?
I read in the New Testament that the OT existed to create the New Testament which is what we follow now.
>your religion that is supposed to be against force?
Did you learn about Christianity from children's books?
>Did you learn about Christianity from children's books?
No, I just read the part where it said to turn the other cheek, love your enemies, and only the sinless should punish sinners.
>Christians with bloody hands
How does this ever happen? What catastrophic breakdown of sense and humility lead to even one loss of life?
>catholicism ruined the western world
yes it definitely wasn't the reformation which definitely didn't lay the groundwork for the enlightenment and liberalism
The world was and always has been pagan. Why use the power of pagan Caesar to enforce your religion that is supposed to be against force?
> i have the true jesus, all of you follow the false jesus > tedious drawn out prose, does not know any words > spills jesus all over the place > characters lays forth valid arguments against god, jesus kisses hin, ---> jesus is the answer > hailed as a genius
Wrong pic
>catholicism ruined the western world
yes it definitely wasn't the reformation which definitely didn't lay the groundwork for the enlightenment and liberalism
It was the catholic church that laid the groundwork for the reformation.
>You made me do it!
woman moment
US illiterate pigs really do believe anything they are told in media/school.
>the US, a liberal protestant country, teaches reformation bad
how many brain cells do you possess
My post was against the idea that historical events are not prone to dialectical analysis. Protestantism was not caused by the ground laid by Catholicism ---it used it as a resource and a scapegoat. Protestantism is not christianism, at least in the sence that Catholicism constructed the concept of Christianism. (English and US people may not like it, because they are educated that way; but everyone else know this for fact).
>My post was against the idea that historical events are prone to dialectical analysis
ftfm
>Catholicism constructed the concept of Christianism.
Very much not true. Catholicism was created as a result of the Emperor Constantine. There was a lot of different Christians before then. I mean come on.
Did any of those pre-catholic conceptions of Christianism were used by Protestantism?
Probably
By the radical reformation somewhat. Luther and the descendants of his movement were beholden to the catholic tradition just not the Catholic hierarchy. I'm not sure that it's fair though to criticize for not using pre-nicene conceptions when those were violently persecuted and destroyed for 1000 years though.
i assumed was directed at
given dostodoppleganger.jpg
i largely agree with this
in practical terms the reformation was simply the widespread theft of church property and usurping of political power
More akin the free men from cities, or bourgeois by other name. Of course catholic church not responding to the complaints not just from the people, but clergy as well had an impact. So there was tension, and vatican did its thing and declared everyone else wrong, making the argument into conflict.
>religion that is supposed to be against force
Have you read the old testament?
>making the argument into conflict
while i'm sympathetic to the fact that the complaints were handled poorly, said complaints were merely a pretense for politically motivated actors
unless that's the point you're making in which case i concur
The papacy being the foremost of these politically motivated actors.
the papacy was the foremost proponent of the reformation? how does that work exactly
Read
Catholic church cares first about politics, and religion is the secondary matter. It will betray its stock for political power, always has always will.
>Have you read the old testament?
I read in the New Testament that the OT existed to create the New Testament which is what we follow now.
>Did you learn about Christianity from children's books?
No, I just read the part where it said to turn the other cheek, love your enemies, and only the sinless should punish sinners.
Protestantism ruined Christianity
Ultimate cope.
Dosto, like Nietch, didn't have the best historical sources. He thought the Inquisition was much more bloody than it really was
>Christians with bloody hands
How does this ever happen? What catastrophic breakdown of sense and humility lead to even one loss of life?
The world was and always has been pagan. Why use the power of pagan Caesar to enforce your religion that is supposed to be against force?
>your religion that is supposed to be against force?
Did you learn about Christianity from children's books?
Why would you call the gospels children's books?
> i have the true jesus, all of you follow the false jesus
> tedious drawn out prose, does not know any words
> spills jesus all over the place
> characters lays forth valid arguments against god, jesus kisses hin, ---> jesus is the answer
> hailed as a genius
How did D get away with it?
WHAT DID HE SAY/WRITE ABOUT CATHOLICISM?