Umm biblebros?

Vaxxies still getting sick all the time and making me lol

Ruth was a Moabite, and Jesus is a direct descendant of Ruth. Therefore, the blood of degeneracy runs in Jesus' veins. Enjoy.

But if they make mistakes, how do you know what is a mistake, and what isn’t? What is an invention, and what is real? What is a metaphor, and what is literal? Even Christians can’t agree on this. What a joke.

Good question. We use sacred tradition, the Magisterium, and Councils.

1. Greek term brother used could mean step-brother, distant relative, friend. There's no evidence that he had biological brothers, but it's more likely the other meanings of brother. We even have the same sort of broad definition today.
2. Jesus was using hyperbole to criticize the israeli leaders

Yes, but Jesus is using hyperbole about not calling anyone father. He's not making a rule to stop calling people father, like when he uses hyperbole about removing your eye or hand. Everyone understood these were hyperbole and not a commandment.

"For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
Have YOU ever read the Bible? LMAO

The Bible never says she remained a virgin after she gave birth to Jesus. Only Catholics do

Mark 6.3 mentions Jesus' four siblings.

Mark 15:40 says that James and Joses are the sons of Mary.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-siblings.html

Just trying to give you a more complete answer. Figures that you took that in the most small-minded, mean-spirited way possible. Oyishners really are the worst.

>ranting, raving, seething
I accept your concession.

>vulgarity
>ad hominem attacks
>behavior about as non-Christian as one can get
I already accepted your concession. You don't need to prove repeatedly that you're a complete psychopath. You've already made that clear.

>bearing false witness
ur going 2 hell bruh

Dude, I gave you the Bible, you gave me your catechism. Which one do you trust?

>Jn 19:26-27; Rom 8:29; Rev 12:17.
And how do these verses prove that Mary didn't have any other biological children? Revelation 12 does not refer to Mary btw; that is clear from the context.

You're telling me that Mary, a law-abiding israeli woman who offered sacrifices for her purification (Luke 2:21–23; Lev. 12:2–4) was a perpetual virgin who denied her own husband his marital rights (1 Cor. 7:4-5)?

As I mentioned, John 2:17 + Psalm 69:8-9. Jesus is talking about His brethren being His mother's children (meaning those "brothers" mentioned in Mark are not "cousins", but actual brothers). We can spiritualize it, sure, and I'm not dogmatic either way, but then again I did not make her perpetual virginity a dogma that one MUST believe because the Catholic Church says so. The Biblical justification for that simply isn't there. I would like to think that she did in fact remain a virgin, but I have absolutely no grounds for that belief.

Mark 6:3:
3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

Jesus is called the "son of Mary" and then His brethren are listed. You don't believe these are the sons of Mary, but I then pointed to Psalm 69:8 where Jesus says,
I am become a stranger unto my brethren,
and an alien unto my mother’s children.
Which is consistent with how His brethren reacted to Him in the Gospels. There, the brethren are SPECIFICALLY called His "mother's children" and are thus not just cousins.

Is that absolute, solid proof? No, and I said I wasn't dogmatic on this issue either way. But it's far better than anything the Catholic church has concocted and forced you to believe.

What evidence do you have that they aren't? You made that claim first. At least I have provided verses from the Bible which, if you're being completely honest with yourself, should at least make you question so-called "infallible" dogma. You provided some BS from a catechism with some irrelevant verses attached to it.

Not moving any goalposts. You're the one who first made the claim that they are not her biological children and I debated that point afterwards (I'm not the first anon).

Yes, that's the point. Jesus specifically distinguishes between "brothers" and "brothers" (Mark 3:31-35 and Matthew 12:46-50). That is, those brothers who didn't believe in Him (John 7:5) vs those who did believe in Him (not His biological brothers, but believers). The point here is that it's not your genetic lineage which counts, but your faith. So that argument actually works against you. You only have the meaning of the Greek word to cling onto, but then why would the Doauy Rheims, a Catholic bible, translate Mark 6:3 as "brother" and then go ahead and translate Luke 1:36 as "cousin" if both words refer to "cousins"? And if the word doesn't mean "cousin" or "brother" then who are these people in Mark 6:3? How are they related to Jesus?

Yes, but I was not the anon making that claim in the first place, so I'm not moving any goalposts. I argued against the point you made, but have never at any point claimed to have infallible proof that they are Mary's biological children. I've said that I'm not dogmatic about this and HOPE that she did remain virgin. Fact is that we don't know. And you don't know if those people are Joseph's children from a previous marriage because it doesn't say so anywhere in the Bible. The problem here is that the Catholic church has made a dogma out of such flimsy evidence and enforced a belief on people about something of which there's no solid proof.

Wait a minute, I see your point. I did in fact make that claim (though it wasn't intended as such) and doing so moved the goalpost later on. My apologies. Yes, I believe in Sola Scriptura and would like to discuss it, but it's way too late where I am (Europe). Have to go bed. God bless..

That's one of the worst arguments I've ever seen for your position, anon.

That part of the Psalm would obviously be referring to David. It's very normal to have multiple applications in the Psalter, even in the same Psalm (Luke 24:44). The Messianic part would be verses 7-9. The disciples make that connection in John 2:17.

Well, one would hope Jesus' siblings supported his ministry.

Psalm 69:8. The Psalm is about Jesus. We know that because John 2:17 refers to Psalm 69:9.

Matthew 1:25 says Joseph "knew her not until her firstborn son was born" meaning he didn't have sex with her until after Jesus was born. Her being a virgin was only important during her pregnancy with Jesus. She didn't stay a virgin and had children later.

homosexual phoneposter

Joseph and Mary had children after Jesus was born.

You are an Amerimutt who doesn't understand the context of Greek words. Paul uses the same word for "brother" (adelphoi) to apply to numbers of followers of Jesus that are obviously too high to refer to Jesus' biological brothers.

But no atheist says they don't believe in God BECAUSE of that one verse. It's a clear overreaction from you. Nobody argues that you should give up your faith because a bat is not a bird, they have other arguments. Stuff like this is used because it's funny, not as a main argument against the Bible.
I'm OP btw, so I know best why I created this thread.

>the next lines of the verse ensures your understanding that it is simply about flying creatures
Fair enough

>Who’s to say what’s in accordance with the Holy Spirit and what isn’t?
The Holy Spirit is to say, obviously. It's not up to any of us, but God. Didn't I just tell you? God is real, so this is entirely possible and indeed happens. In Luke it says this:

"And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"
- Luke 11:9-13.

So then, you might very well have not because you ask not, or because you "ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts." It's as simple as that.

>The Scofield Bible was made with the express purpose of turning American Christians into zionists. I don’t think the Holy Spirit had much of a hand in that.
You'd probably be surprised how many people are too concerned with what others are doing rather than focusing on their own walk, and they never seek guidance from God at all, while seeking the truth as such, studying and praying. In some cases their whole lives perhaps they never do this. It really is that direct, I believe.

Define chair, you can't find a definition to include every instance. Natural science is silly in this way, as it serves no purpose to narrow down the categories to extreme to make the system fit, since the point of the categories are for regular people anyway. At some point one must chalk it down to intutition, as we have always done, continue to do still even with our scientific categories and always will

Taxonomy isn't universal, moron.

Greg's taxonomy.

Birds: turkey, chicken, swift, robin, bat
Fish: tuna, carp, swordfish, seahorse, whale

I'm Greg. Taxonomy is an invention. I invented Greg's taxonomy. Modern taxonomy was invented by Carl Linnaeus. Nothing wrong with modern taxonomy, but the point is that it's not something that existed before Linnaeus invented it.

Any invention can be arbitrary. I just invented an arbitrary taxonomy. You literally saw it

Greg's taxonomy.

Birds: turkey, chicken, swift, robin, bat
Fish: tuna, carp, swordfish, seahorse, whale

Thank you. So you follow the scientific classification of hominids.

moron

Ah, so total subservience to authority. Like a slave, you must not think, or reason, or understand. Only obey. This is the fate of the noble creature we know as man? This is ends for the ultimate design of our race? Nay. Lift your eyes above this abjection. Stand on your own feet and proclaim you will use your will to forge the best path you can, with compassion and wisdom, as best as you are capable of. Reach upwards, do not accept your place as a slave in the dirt. Do not let preachers poison your mind with shame that you do not deserve, with blame that you are blameless for. Nature made things bleak, but Nature has gifted us with the small glimmer, the tiniest hope that we can lift ourselves above the lowly stamp of our origin. Reject the false idols of religion, forge your own path in solidarity with your fellow man to carve out an existence worth having in the cold and uncaring universe. Anything less is to squander one of the most precious opportunities to ever exist.

All they had to do was not eat from a single frickin' tree. Smfh senpai.

Yes traditionally Hell means severe punishments for sins and lack of salvation. Christians were creative in their ideas of torture but it all came back to showing loyalty by being approving of punishment. Spreading progressive images of Hell would probably get you maimed or killed during most of Christian history.