There's so very little on this guy despite the sources we have, he may as well be virtually non-existent aside from the Bible and Tacitus' reports. For anyone else, let's take the modern age for example, you have various reports and written documents about such people. But Jesus really only has 2. We know nothing else on him besides these 2 written accounts. The Bible itself has been edited and rewritten countless times so how do we know if that is actually the Jesus which was portrayed? I will accept the fact that he existed but I honestly don't know anything else about him, from the historicity of it. He is an enigma to me and always will be.
Your opinion on the Jesus character of the Bible, Oyish?
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No doubt he lived and was crucified died and was buried.
Did he really make it out of the tomb?
Was he really as connected as he claimed?
Prolly not
And it's like.. these are the only 2 things we have. We have nothing else, there is purportedly a census that was taken in Luke. But where is that? Where is archaeological evidence that he further confirms his existence? Where is everything else about this?
The unfortunate truth is we are missing SO much from ancient history, to the point where many extrapolations and theories have to “fill in the gaps.” Jesus is even more of a special case considering he was a rural peasant living in some backwater shithole province. The fact we have anything about him, much less the sources we do, is an anomaly.
It's a very strange story.. all of it.
>let's take the modern age for example, you have various reports and written documents about such people.
Maybe it's because there weren't industrial printers and internet back then?
This is not really an argument either knowing how many times the Bible was copied, which again, is really only 1 source of the same thing. And compared with the modern age you atleast get more flesh out of reading something because there's so many sources to pick and choose from. Not with Jesus, it's just different varieties of Bibles which are all very similar but will have slight deviations altogether. You would be practically going around circles trying to get new insights on the very person with the sources that you are given.
What are you even talking about? I only said that nowadays there's information about everyone because of industrial printers and because of the internet. It's incredible how much we've lost important texts from around that time. To put you an example, Aeschylus, the father of tragedies, wrote 90 approximately works, but we only have 7 of them. Nowadays you can know the private life of online prostitutes.
Wtf are you talking about? At least five independent sources talk about him in the Bible.
i think he doesn't exist and we all been feed lies and what a fricking moronic thread you never read anything about him you moronic animal
I know what you are referencing to but I'm afraid it's not good enough to debunk the mainstream theory.
Realistically all we know, and I will even agree with you in part, that this concept even if the person wasn't real, was around. There was a movement happening in the Levant with or without the person in question. These people got killed for it, the rest is history. Some also say many other historical figures like Pythagoras were fake and not really real either.
>sources
>plural
He's not as well attested as the Roman Emperors, for example, but considering he was an obscure peasant preacher in Judea, the evidence us about as good as you'd hope for.
Unfortunately, the most pertinent evidence would have been in Josephus (a late 1st century israeli writer) but a Christian scribe edited in a blatantly forged passage where there might have been a genuine mention of Jesus.
It is truly a mystery.. of history.
I'm not a believer, but it's all very strange. It's fascinating.
Why does it seem like atheists always forget that the Pauline Epistles exist?
The ones written years later by someone who never met the man in question? Saul was a fricking moron.
He did, though. Paul was one of the greatest men to ever live. You're not worthy to tie his shoelaces.
We don't know for certain if Paul did or did not met Jesus during His earthly ministry, but he most certainly met many who knew Him during His life, thus making him a source that cannot be dismissed. Keep coping.
There are literally no primary accounts of Alexander the Greats existence but you don't question him. A thread died for this.
Ironically, a good source for the existence of Alexander the Great is Daniel 11
The Bible's not one account. There's twenty seven books (letters) that have been assembled as part of the Christian canon that testify to Jesus' life.
>The Bible itself has been edited and rewritten countless times so how do we know if that is actually the Jesus which was portrayed?
Because we have manuscripts from different eras and regions and they're all remarkably similar. And something like 95% of the relatively few differences between manuscripts come from transcriptions errors.
>Your opinion on the Jesus character of the Bible, Oyish?
Love 'im. Simple as.
You know the size of the fish by the size of the ripple.
You know the skill of the archer by the arrow in the target.
You know the rain by the harvest.
You did not see the beginning of the world, but you do not doubt it.
You did not see the beginning of the Church, but why do you doubt your eyes?
The romans should've been just as barbaric as these semites were and killed them enmasse in the name of Zeus
In the Quran jesus rose from the dead and was able to raise dead people by God power
قال تعالي (وَرَسُولًا إِلَىٰ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ أَنِّي قَدْ جِئْتُكُم بِآيَةٍ مِّن رَّبِّكُمْ ۖ أَنِّي أَخْلُقُ لَكُم مِّنَ الطِّينِ كَهَيْئَةِ الطَّيْرِ فَأَنفُخُ فِيهِ فَيَكُونُ طَيْرًا بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ ۖ وَأُبْرِئُ الْأَكْمَهَ وَالْأَبْرَصَ وَأُحْيِي الْمَوْتَىٰ بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ ۖ وَأُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا تَأْكُلُونَ وَمَا تَدَّخِرُونَ فِي بُيُوتِكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ فِي ذَٰلِكَ لَآيَةً لَّكُمْ إِن كُنتُم مُّؤْمِنِينَ (49)
I believe this is by design by God to enable us to have faith. If Jesus was born earlier we may have so little record of him that the Bible and Gospels wouldn't exist or if he were born later there would be definitive proof. Because of the time he walked this earth, we must have faith in what we know.