It really should be the other way around tbh
a lot of von neumanns work was and is directly applicable to our modern lives, meanwhile Einstein's crowning achievement is some gay ass plagiarized equation that has and will never have a direct impact on anyone ever
>a lot of von neumanns work was and is directly applicable to our modern lives
No it wasn't... He's nothing more than a career academic, aka glorified welfare parasite just like Einstein.
Another israelite too.
Funny How Christians that worship the israelite Jesus and the israeli apostles also try to paint their religion as intelligent by namedropping famous israelites lol.
They are the most spiritually cucked people of all time.
Though God commanded you to marry and have children, there's no issue with remaining celibate, it's much better than to be adulterous or a sodomite.
Though God commanded you to worship him, there's no issue with remaining non-religious, it's far better than to worship other Gods or to worship him wrong.
>tfw Zeus and Yahweh have to duke it out with the Seven Lords of Xibolba and Amit over who gets to frick my soul up in the afterlife
Feels good, who do you think is gonna win?
There is no a reason to suppose the hypothetical God couldn't be also a fan of wacky mischief who sends theists to hell and atheists to heaven, thus balancing the things out
you know the bible never says anything about that and hell as a place is essentially fanfiction right
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Even if you go off JW fanfics, it's not much better. Being soul-murdered is about as bad as getting tortured forever.
4 months ago
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I take a literal interpretation, if hell/damnation is being completely deprived of God then youre probably reincarnated in some lower dimension that sucks or something along those lines
wouldnt be surprised if this is that lower dimension tbh
4 months ago
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i know >lower dimension but shitty
is basically the same thing as hell, but i guess i mean less pitchforks and lava and more boring and droll
4 months ago
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>then youre probably reincarnated in some lower dimension that sucks or something along those lines
…and how would one know if they were already in this shitty plane
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exactly why i said i wouldn't be surprised if this is that plane of existence
would explain the apparent silence of god, if all the stuff that happened in the Bible/other holy books was on a higher plane of existence and the bible/religion in general just exists as a catalyst to try and be better and ascend to said plane
Using C.S. Lewis as the far end of the bell curve is hilarious considering he is a prime example of a midwit regarding philosophy. And Pascal’s Wager? Don’t make me laugh. It you wanted an example of someone actually intelligent who believes in God you should have used Plato, Shankara, Ramanuja, or even Nagarjuna lmfao
>umm akshally im really le smort >this piece of paper with numbers on it says so >now excuse me while i eat crayons
atheists
The fool hath said in his heart there is no God.
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>you are dumb because uuhh you get your worldview from research papers
I want you to go up to your professor/boss and claim that research is for midwits, make sure to record it as well, just to see how long it will take for them to ask if you have some sort of mental issue
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>NO NO its true because the smort people said so. Only stupid people think for themselves, trust the science
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>think for yourself >and by that I mean just have contrarian views even if there is nothing to actually back them up
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>and by back them up I mean holy science priests say so
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>its fake because uuuuhhh it just is >no I won't actually post anything to prove my argument >or put in any effort to disprove anything my opponents laid out beyond saying its wrong
the next few decades will be fun to watch as your religion continues to decline in any place were the population can actually read
It's John von Neumann.
He was a key figure in the Manhattan Project.
He proposed to nuke Kyoto rather than Hiroshima, simply to kill more people, and to destroy Japanese cultural achievements.
I do not understand why a maniacally murderous israelite is used by OP as an argument.
He was a monster, a little squeamish worm, who disregarded all life on earth in order to create the nuclear bomb.
At the time they didn't know if it was going to ignite the atmosphere and end all life on the planets surface.
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>He proposed to nuke Kyoto rather than Hiroshima, simply to kill more people, and to destroy Japanese cultural achievements.
Why am I not surprised this idea came foom~~*them*~~?
If the bell curve meme was real, all the the idiots would've been balanced out by the geniuses, and there wouldn't be a negative correlation between religiosity and IQ.
I'm not the one claiming there is a positive correlation, so no.
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>No, I don't.
We know
4 months ago
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23921675/
by the way this single article alone refernces 63 studies that came to the same conclusion
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>No, I don't.
We know
I'm not the one claiming there is a positive correlation, so no.
>replication crisis citation
lol
4 months ago
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>get btfo'd >well uh muh replication crisis >he says when each study keeps coming to the same conclusion >still hasn't show any evidence for his claim
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>alot of the people you think are intelligent
...are intelligent because they scored above average on IQ tests, the best, most objective measure of intelligence.
>midwit cope
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>no bro you don't understand, providing proof of your claim is actually peak midwit
the only positive thing I can say about you morons is you are an endless source of keks
>alot of the people you think are intelligent
...are intelligent because they scored above average on IQ tests, the best, most objective measure of intelligence.
>one and only marriage was in his late '50s >to a israeli women in her '40s with two adult kids already >generally suspected to be the Inkling that molested Tolkien's son (who later went on to be a homosexual pedophile himself)
OP that quote's really bad.
Even if I accept the logic of Pascal's wager, it does not prove there is a God. Pascal did not consider it an argument for God.
Whoever you're quoting really misses the point of what the wager is about.
Wow, sounds like you could get Von Neumann to do literally anything just by suggesting he'd suffer eternal damnation otherwise. After all, that's at least the bare possibility that it's true. Good thing no one took advantage of that, well, except whoever benefited from his God belief.
>Good thing no one took advantage of that, well, except whoever benefited from his God belief.
Nobody really benefited from it, at least mot while jer was alive. He lived most od his life as an atheist and converted to Catholicism on his deathbed
The problem with this image is that it assumes that if there is a God, then he necessarily punishes you to eternal/long-lasting damnation for merely not saying "I believe in God".
Only intelligent persons alternative theistically is to consider 'god' as the force inherent causing in the birth & definition of our universe. Nothing else
The first and second sentences from von Neumann are separate quotes, and the first was said on his deathbed, which doesn't suggest particularly devout or sincere religiosity to me, personally.
Any the actual best part of this thread is more than one person confusing him with C.S. Lewis.
Pascal's wager is incredibly moronic to anyone who thinks about it for more than 2 minutes. there are a million gods and religions and different religious principles - they all can argue pascal's wager for their particular religion
equal chance god wants you to be atheist for that matter
Why do you have to believe in it? How do you know this is what it wants? Says who?
>the bible says so
Why is your specific sect THE TRUE ONE out of all the millions of other ones? who's to say some small tribe of Marsh Arabs with their own take on Bah'aism are the ones who truly figured it out?
contradicts it how? if you experienced the Divine' touch, you know that God exists, you either worked for it through prayer, or you were saved because you were suffering, those are all common experiences we read from people who experienced the holy spirit (saints or otherwise_
>pascal's wager
you're only wagering a person who believes vs who doesn't believe, the wager doesn't prove god, it doesn't talk about god at all, absolute non sequitur,
this is what happens when low IQ stemcucks try to dabble in philosophy
G-d damns Christians for idolatry and blasphemy
that would be Einstein
Obviously, this. Most normies dont know who the frick vohn Newmahn is. Whereas every single person on the world knows who Einstein-steal-all-credit-is
It really should be the other way around tbh
a lot of von neumanns work was and is directly applicable to our modern lives, meanwhile Einstein's crowning achievement is some gay ass plagiarized equation that has and will never have a direct impact on anyone ever
>a lot of von neumanns work was and is directly applicable to our modern lives
No it wasn't... He's nothing more than a career academic, aka glorified welfare parasite just like Einstein.
Another israelite too.
Funny How Christians that worship the israelite Jesus and the israeli apostles also try to paint their religion as intelligent by namedropping famous israelites lol.
They are the most spiritually cucked people of all time.
Yeah but which God? And think carefully, picking the wrong God can and WILL send you to the magic lava pits forever.
Still choosing one gives me the statistical advantage over atheists.
what happens if the real god ends up being a diety that sends people who worship a religion to hell
Though God commanded you to marry and have children, there's no issue with remaining celibate, it's much better than to be adulterous or a sodomite.
Though God commanded you to worship him, there's no issue with remaining non-religious, it's far better than to worship other Gods or to worship him wrong.
it doesn't, more religions send you to hell for following false gods than do for not believing (assuming you're a good person)
>It makes more sense to believe in God given the risks of not believing.
>Therefore it's true that God exists.
Non sequitur.
now try typing that without crying
Think you’re projecting emotions onto him man, that was a pretty level headed post.
maybe on planet moron
>Christians result to insults and oersonal attacks
>Smugly claim victory while wondering why nobody under 30 goes to their church
1. Other religions exist (https://youtu.be/4pkWGvTFfSY?si=jsLOAounSptrfCre)
2. Faith is not option
...And just mentioning: I'm a theist. Just not a Christian.
What happens if you qualify for multiple hells
Do the gods have to compete for which one gets to send you to their hell or do you get to choose
>tfw Zeus and Yahweh have to duke it out with the Seven Lords of Xibolba and Amit over who gets to frick my soul up in the afterlife
Feels good, who do you think is gonna win?
Zeus is high-T and fricks multiple women, God’s got zero b***hes.
I thought israelites were intelligent
There is no a reason to suppose the hypothetical God couldn't be also a fan of wacky mischief who sends theists to hell and atheists to heaven, thus balancing the things out
Okay, but which god do I have to praise to not end up in hell? Yahweh? Allah? Zeus?
Also, dick move by god considering majority of the planets population didnt even know of him untill 400 years ago.
>pascal wager argument
into the trash it goes
>but he is le heckin smart
doesn't change the fact its a shit tier argument
Nope, Pascal's Wager is dumb
Also, said deity may be offended anyways at the idea that you only believe in him as insurance instead of a matter of pure faith
ok but y u mad doe bb
because you're telling me I'm going to be tortured for all eternity for merely existing
you know the bible never says anything about that and hell as a place is essentially fanfiction right
Even if you go off JW fanfics, it's not much better. Being soul-murdered is about as bad as getting tortured forever.
I take a literal interpretation, if hell/damnation is being completely deprived of God then youre probably reincarnated in some lower dimension that sucks or something along those lines
wouldnt be surprised if this is that lower dimension tbh
i know
>lower dimension but shitty
is basically the same thing as hell, but i guess i mean less pitchforks and lava and more boring and droll
>then youre probably reincarnated in some lower dimension that sucks or something along those lines
…and how would one know if they were already in this shitty plane
exactly why i said i wouldn't be surprised if this is that plane of existence
would explain the apparent silence of god, if all the stuff that happened in the Bible/other holy books was on a higher plane of existence and the bible/religion in general just exists as a catalyst to try and be better and ascend to said plane
Great graph initiative
Using C.S. Lewis as the far end of the bell curve is hilarious considering he is a prime example of a midwit regarding philosophy. And Pascal’s Wager? Don’t make me laugh. It you wanted an example of someone actually intelligent who believes in God you should have used Plato, Shankara, Ramanuja, or even Nagarjuna lmfao
>he thinks that's C.S Lewis
nobody tells him
Intelligence is believing in God
Negative correlation between religiosity and IQ.
Now try typing that without crying
Who hurt you?
See
The fool hath said in his heart there is no God.
>you are dumb because uuhh you get your worldview from research papers
I want you to go up to your professor/boss and claim that research is for midwits, make sure to record it as well, just to see how long it will take for them to ask if you have some sort of mental issue
>NO NO its true because the smort people said so. Only stupid people think for themselves, trust the science
>think for yourself
>and by that I mean just have contrarian views even if there is nothing to actually back them up
>and by back them up I mean holy science priests say so
>its fake because uuuuhhh it just is
>no I won't actually post anything to prove my argument
>or put in any effort to disprove anything my opponents laid out beyond saying its wrong
the next few decades will be fun to watch as your religion continues to decline in any place were the population can actually read
now try typing that while having a sub 80 BMI
BMI...
Is renaming week on science?
Someone wanted that bonus b4 christmas
>still wants to be considered high IQ
It's John von Neumann.
He was a key figure in the Manhattan Project.
He proposed to nuke Kyoto rather than Hiroshima, simply to kill more people, and to destroy Japanese cultural achievements.
I do not understand why a maniacally murderous israelite is used by OP as an argument.
He was a monster, a little squeamish worm, who disregarded all life on earth in order to create the nuclear bomb.
At the time they didn't know if it was going to ignite the atmosphere and end all life on the planets surface.
Danke Juden!
Wir haben die falsche Seite unterstützt...
>He proposed to nuke Kyoto rather than Hiroshima, simply to kill more people, and to destroy Japanese cultural achievements.
Why am I not surprised this idea came foom~~*them*~~?
>actually intelligent who believes in God you should have used Plato
He was definitely polytheist.
Maybe God is much more forgiving of those who worship no gods than those who dick ride a false God. Are you doing tricks on the right one?
If the bell curve meme was real, all the the idiots would've been balanced out by the geniuses, and there wouldn't be a negative correlation between religiosity and IQ.
theres a positive correlation for it, just so happens that alot of the people you think are intelligent are actually midwits
>there is a postive correlation
and do you have anything to actually back that up with
Do you?
I'm not the one claiming there is a positive correlation, so no.
>No, I don't.
We know
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23921675/
by the way this single article alone refernces 63 studies that came to the same conclusion
>replication crisis citation
lol
>get btfo'd
>well uh muh replication crisis
>he says when each study keeps coming to the same conclusion
>still hasn't show any evidence for his claim
>midwit cope
>no bro you don't understand, providing proof of your claim is actually peak midwit
the only positive thing I can say about you morons is you are an endless source of keks
y u mad doe bb
>alot of the people you think are intelligent
...are intelligent because they scored above average on IQ tests, the best, most objective measure of intelligence.
>umm akshally im really le smort
>this piece of paper with numbers on it says so
>now excuse me while i eat crayons
atheists
>C S Lewis
>one and only marriage was in his late '50s
>to a israeli women in her '40s with two adult kids already
>generally suspected to be the Inkling that molested Tolkien's son (who later went on to be a homosexual pedophile himself)
They're not sending their best
See
>They're not sending their best
ironic coming from a literal moron who not only says 'muh joos' but is also face blind.
OP that quote's really bad.
Even if I accept the logic of Pascal's wager, it does not prove there is a God. Pascal did not consider it an argument for God.
Whoever you're quoting really misses the point of what the wager is about.
Pascal is actually fairly popular among presuppositionalists and it seems like nobody else reads him
nah this is one of the most famous lines of apologetics.
But at least for presuppositionalists it's on brand for them since they don't bother to try to prove God exists.
I like how theists are the trolls these days. I'm willing to bet not one of you actually believe in God
It's more of a political statement than anything else to prove that they're "trad".
>people are so buck broken by the idea of hell that they unironically think that is a good argument
Wow, sounds like you could get Von Neumann to do literally anything just by suggesting he'd suffer eternal damnation otherwise. After all, that's at least the bare possibility that it's true. Good thing no one took advantage of that, well, except whoever benefited from his God belief.
>Good thing no one took advantage of that, well, except whoever benefited from his God belief.
Nobody really benefited from it, at least mot while jer was alive. He lived most od his life as an atheist and converted to Catholicism on his deathbed
The problem with this image is that it assumes that if there is a God, then he necessarily punishes you to eternal/long-lasting damnation for merely not saying "I believe in God".
This is a Judeo-Christian dogma
It makes sense that only an autistic israelite like von Neumann would take Pascal's wager seriously.
Riddle me the fiddle:
Bad thing happen to good fellows.
Good thing happen to bad fellows.
Therefricker?
Keep in mind that if you worship YHWH the wrong way you will still end up in magic lava
Pascal's Wager is midwit moron shit and doesn't qualify in most religions
Only intelligent persons alternative theistically is to consider 'god' as the force inherent causing in the birth & definition of our universe. Nothing else
The first and second sentences from von Neumann are separate quotes, and the first was said on his deathbed, which doesn't suggest particularly devout or sincere religiosity to me, personally.
Any the actual best part of this thread is more than one person confusing him with C.S. Lewis.
I also thought he was CS Lewis but realized my mistake before posting about it.
>pascal's wager
Get new material
John Von Neumann didn't day that.
Pascal's wager is incredibly moronic to anyone who thinks about it for more than 2 minutes. there are a million gods and religions and different religious principles - they all can argue pascal's wager for their particular religion
equal chance god wants you to be atheist for that matter
Suppose god is real.
No what?
Why do you have to believe in it? How do you know this is what it wants? Says who?
>the bible says so
Why is your specific sect THE TRUE ONE out of all the millions of other ones? who's to say some small tribe of Marsh Arabs with their own take on Bah'aism are the ones who truly figured it out?
this pic is better
but still, you need experience with the Divine to truly believe
What if my experience with Divinity contradicts Christianity?
contradicts it how? if you experienced the Divine' touch, you know that God exists, you either worked for it through prayer, or you were saved because you were suffering, those are all common experiences we read from people who experienced the holy spirit (saints or otherwise_
>pascal's wager
you're only wagering a person who believes vs who doesn't believe, the wager doesn't prove god, it doesn't talk about god at all, absolute non sequitur,
this is what happens when low IQ stemcucks try to dabble in philosophy