>start reading the Bible. >plants created before the sun

>start reading the Bible
>plants created before the sun

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
    Genesis 1:3
    >And God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, on the earth.” And it was so.
    Genesis 1:11

    Light already existed before he made the separation of the sun and moon.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      So where did it source from and why is it relegated to the sun now?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >So where did it source from
        God.

        >For our God is a consuming fire.
        Hebrews 12:29
        >This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
        1 John 1:5

        So light is not from the Sun, moron?

        The light came from God like the sun, moron.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're in no position to call anyone moron, you defer to the ramblings of cavemen lmao.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Moses wasn't a caveman, and neither were anyone else who wrote parts of the Bible. Get rekt, scrub.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Okay, so there is no oral tradition now?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >make amateur misconception of bible
            >get called out
            >heh well ur a moronic cave man!
            >...ok?
            stunning and brave atheist intellectualism summarized in one perfect microcosm

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I suppose since the Earth is stationary per 1 Chronicles 16:30 and several psalms, the luminous anthropomorphic God rapidly did laps around the Earth to light all the plants in New Guinea and England too? You're a credulous imbecile.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >1 Chronicles 16:30
            The word earth (erets) in Hebrew could mean any of the following:
            >land (1,543x), earth (712x), country (140x), ground (98x), world (4x), way (3x), common (1x), field (1x), nations (1x), wilderness (with H4057) (1x)
            https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h776/kjv/wlc/0-1/

            >God rapidly did laps around the Earth
            >thinks God can't be everywhere at once

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >actually denying the Torah contains a geocentric flat earth cosmology for Internet points
            >on an ANONYMOUS image board
            lmao@urlife

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Prove it, schizo.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Literally the first paragraph of your favorite book

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Jonah and Joshua also contain this understanding which was typical of the ancient Near East. The truth of a round earth was not discovered until later and it seems the Hebrews didn't know about it anyway

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The truth of a round earth was not discovered until later
            it was never discovered because round earth is a meme

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >The light came from God like the sun, moron.
          So God was this glowing man in the sky keeping all the plants alive before the Sun existed?

          >God spends 6 days making a single planet of the Solar system
          >so tired he needs a day to nap
          >"welp time to get on with the rest"

          To be fair, Earth's environment is far more complex than all of the exoplanets (which are pretty much the same package of "sterile samey wasteland" with different flavors)

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >So God was this glowing man in the sky keeping all the plants alive before the Sun existed?
            God doesn't have a body like we do.

            >God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
            John 4:24

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >God.
          Isn't this entering into dualism? That god is at the same time non-physical and physical? Correct me if I'm wrong but this is bordering on heresy. Only Jesus was both god in flesh and spirit, godman, deus homo, theanthropos.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            the entire material world came from God anon

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            That doesn't address my question. God only appeared as theanthropos as Christ. And if God is emitting light, a decidedly physical phenomenon, then God must've taken up a material form, which goes against the whole point of the Chirst.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            god making light is not god apearing in physical form as a physical giant lightbulb t

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >The light came from God like the sun
          I thought God existed outside space and time. Also your reading of Genesis implies Noah's flood happened, so
          L U L Z
          U
          L
          Z

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I thought God existed outside space and time.
            You thought wrong, God IS space and time. Also, the flood did happen and it was local, not global.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >God IS space and time.
            So God had a beginning. Glad that question is settled.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Space and time had a beginning, but God has always existed. He created our reality so of course he can move freely within it.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        In the beginning, the infinite void (underfined reality) was already there.
        The elohim defined light first, then plants. They didn't care about defining the sun yet.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      So light is not from the Sun, moron?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >So light is not from the Sun, moron?
        the light of the big bang that God created.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I can light a lighter or a light bulb, both make light that isn't from the sun.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah it came from god/ god made the daytime sky light up.
      The sun isn’t made until the 3rd day, plants on the second.

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ther are multiple sources of light in space that don't come from stars. Like massive heated gass clouds some of which later become stars.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why not just stick with that then?

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >atheists: "Wow, you'd have to be pretty pathetic to go around quoting a random desert tribe book all day..."
    >also atheists: "LET ME READ YOU THIS PASSAGE FROM GENESIS"

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Orthodox or Cuckthlic?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I'm going to point out logical inconsistencies from this book you love to quote as the only source of truth

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        in a hundred of these threads you hant managed to show a single logical inconsistency

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          There have been hundreds that have been pointed out. You just choose to ignore them.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            no, all of them are easily refuted

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >God spends 6 days making a single planet of the Solar system
    >so tired he needs a day to nap
    >"welp time to get on with the rest"

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      The word "yom" has multiple definitions. It could mean a 24 hour period or an unknowable amount of time. You have to decide which makes more sense to you. The sun and moon day system wasn't created until the 4th yom, and we're also told that time to God is not the same as time to man.

      >For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
      Psalm 90:4
      >But YOU MUST NOT FORGET THIS ONE THING, dear friends: A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day.
      2 Peter 3:8

      So, given we are told not to be ignorant of this fact and that the word can mean multiple things, presents one of the biggest controversies in the Bible.

      Personally, I think aspects of evolution are correct and within the span of creating each aspect of reality, took a long time and not a literal 24 hour day.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      He didn’t rest because he was tired, he rested because he was done. 6 days to make the universe, 1 day of peace, and he used that format as an example for people to follow (that’s why you have a weekend break from work. Saturday for the israelites, Sunday for the Christians.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >making a single planet of the Solar system
      >forcing heliocentric globe earth model on the Bible
      it never fails to make me cringe

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's so insane to think God would dedicate all of his time and energy to one small strip of land on one planet while he ignores the rest of the quadrillions of other planets he created.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        it really serves to remind us how small we are and to keep our egos in check, and how utterly awe inspiring God is, huh?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why would God make such a massive universe if he was only going to focus on 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of it? Seems like such a waste of space and energy.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >waste of space and energy.

            this is utterly nonsensical lmao

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          It mostly reminds me of how absurdly arrogant those semitic tribes were, claiming they were the Creator's chosen people or whatever.
          "Frogs in a well" doesn't even begin to cover the scale of their delusions.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            eeh. the middle east is the cradle of civilization for the only intelligent life forms in the universe, and geographically in the perfect location, its not surprising to me whatsoever that a culture there would play such a prominent role in our story, and to be frank, the satanic rise and fall of the israeli people fits oh so perfectly

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the middle east is the cradle of civilization
            Tell that to the chinks and the mayas
            >geographically in the perfect location
            ???
            But even that's just frog in the well delusions. "look, this spot is at the center of the well, and there are no frogs outside this well, of course it must have cosmic importance"

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Tell that to the chinks and the mayas
            sure, i will
            >geographically in the perfect location
            as in at the perfect intersection of east and west Eurasia and africa, access to the mediterranean and indian ocean etc.

            >of course it must
            i think youre misunderstanding my point, im just describing why the whole "why here and not somewhere else" schtick doesn't bother me personally, nothing im saying is meant to be "evidence"

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            also
            >the only intelligent life forms in the universe
            Unbiblical.

            6 Now it came about, when mankind began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.
            4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            right, i think you know what i meant though

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            yes, I know you don't actually believe there are other intelligent lifeforms out there. I know you don't actually believe the Bible.

            >Tell that to the chinks and the mayas
            sure, i will
            >geographically in the perfect location
            as in at the perfect intersection of east and west Eurasia and africa, access to the mediterranean and indian ocean etc.

            >of course it must
            i think youre misunderstanding my point, im just describing why the whole "why here and not somewhere else" schtick doesn't bother me personally, nothing im saying is meant to be "evidence"

            >as in at the perfect intersection of east and west Eurasia and africa, access to the mediterranean and indian ocean etc.
            Ponds and molehills. Even if you cared about these, a place like Britain or Spain is more central to the land hemisphere (closer to the maximal amount of landmass, which incidentally helped them colonize this globe)

            >im just describing why the whole "why here and not somewhere else" schtick doesn't bother me personally
            "I'm just describing why this well feels special to me", said the frog

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            no, i was talking about ayys. why would you say something so overtly dishonest? is doesn't strengthen your position, and it makes you look bad infront of others, and makes me feel superior to you, so why? i find myself left to believe that its to deceive yourself.

            >which incidentally helped them colonize this globe

            sure, once they developed the tech, centuries later after civilization (and Christianity) came from the middle east

            >"I'm just describing why this well feels special to me",

            way to ignore the point. oh well, its your loss

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    There are a couple of different meanings for heaven or heavens in the Bible. One is the sky, another is space, another is the sea of glass that is between the universe and the place where God lives the final heaven. I might of missed one or 2 others.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      What does that have to do with the two lights, one of which is just a mirror?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I am unsure of what your referring to. The comment was addressing no one. In that comment I was just simply stating an interesting fact related to space and heaven.

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    At what point during the creation did God decide to introduce viral and bacterial diseases, molds, fungi, toxic heavy metals, noxious gases, and parasitic worms? Genesis skipped that part for some reason, maybe lost chapters I dunno

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      That would be in the downfall. One verse says something about the land bringing forth thorns, pain in childbirth, etc. Tied in.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      were you under the impression that ancient people didnt know about mold so it wasnt directly mentioned in genesis because dey stoopid or something?

      im trying to think up what possible point you think you are making and coming up empty handed

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >were you under the impression that ancient people didnt know about mold
        Just mudhut dwelling ooga booga tribals like the Hebrews. Mold is attested in Linear B, actual civilized people knew of it.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          no fricking way lmfao

          theres no way you arent pulling my leg

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          you see, the hebrews are mud hut ooga boogas who never saw food or organic matter spoil and grow mold before, and for this reason they never mentioned mold in genisis, and this means God isnt real. heh, bet you feel stupid now huh?

          these copes are getting out of control

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            No meme arrow, you know what that means.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      According to the Bible these don't exist, disease is afflicted by G-D for immorality.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      That would be in the downfall. One verse says something about the land bringing forth thorns, pain in childbirth, etc. Tied in.

      what about the beetles?
      they make up 25% of animal species on the planet, they seem to be a favorite of God. Why wouldn't it rate at least a couple of words?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        no "beetles" specifically but insects in general are mentioned in genesis a few times:
        Genesis 1:24
        Genesis 1:26
        Genesis 6:7
        Genesis 6:20
        Genesis 7:14
        Genesis 7:21
        Genesis 7:23
        Genesis 8:17
        Genesis 8:19

        my favourite mention of bugs is from Leviticus tho: "[41] And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth shall be an abomination; it shall not be eaten."

        >you vill NOT eat zee bugs

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >25% of all species are abominations
          The wisdom of YHWH.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah except locusts are not bugs... Because they don't crawl.... Okay??!!!

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            what? locusts do crawl, are you high?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Tell that to Mr. God who thinks whales are fish and bats are birds

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            how will christianity ever recover from ancient people not using modern arbitrary species classifications

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Whales not being fish isn’t arbitrary, it’s as objectively wrong as possible in taxonomy.
            Grouping different species as one, understandable
            Putting a class in the wrong order entirely? Objectively wrong

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            hahahaha oh geez... anon, the association of the criteria of "cold blooded, uses gills to process oxygen" etc with the greek "ikhthū́s" IS an arbitrary, relatively modern invention

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Whales are literally not fish.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >whales are literally not fish.
            according criteria affixed to the word "fish" that didn't exist yet
            >Taxonomy is a model of relation
            that had no bearing on the use of the ancient greek ""ikhthū́s" during ancient biblical times

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Taxonomy is a model of relation, essentially a family tree of all life. We orders are different branches and whales are factually not in the fish branch. It’s so obvious that this was discovered before DNA.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >whales are literally not fish.
            according criteria affixed to the word "fish" that didn't exist yet
            >Taxonomy is a model of relation
            that had no bearing on the use of the ancient greek ""ikhthū́s" during ancient biblical times

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            By rejecting the Genesis narratives as literal, duh.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      How well you resist toxins and tapeworms is a test of your faith .

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >And God said, "Shall there be cucks and incels in equal amounts fighting amongst each other in regards to Him. I mean me but in Father. Oh for Myself I'm gonna take a shot from Odin's tavern..."
    Nigerus 11:16

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >hey gays if you eat from this tree you will surely die that day
    >go on to live like 900 years or some shit

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >that day
      Doesn't say that

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >that day
      Doesn't say that.

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is this what christians actually believe and/or discuss? Isn't the bible a compilation of tips and tricks on how to live?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      It’s a collection of ancient folktales of an Iron Age people which includes how they think everything came to be. Of course they’re wrong because they lived in the Iron Age.
      Not sure why anyone takes it seriously anymore.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Does that part matter? I think it's more about how to live in general. Guidelines and tales on how do deal with shit.

        I've not read it, so I might be wrong. It would be a shame if people actually believe in a holy boi on a cloud

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's just moronic protties who believe it's a magic book.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        What do Catholics believe then?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          In the social aspect of the book, morality, after life maybe, God itself and the nature of God

          Again, I'm not one, I hope that's what they believe in. Would be nice if a nice Christian could ad to this. Genuinely interested

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            They believe in whatever the pope tells them. It’s a monarchical, hierarchical institution. Where they believe that weirdo speaks for the creator of the universe.
            I’m not making that up I was one, that’s how it works

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Lots of them hate the pope since he supports the gays. #notmypope

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Then they’re bad Catholics, if they don’t want to listen to the pope then they can’t become Protestants

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Catholics and Orthodox believe it's just a book for moral instruction.

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's called the CREATIVE process you uncreative autistic b***h. You think of the cool shit first, and then you think logistics second to support it, dumb autistic crack child b***h. Holy shit. You literally laugh like autistic mfs obsessed with Undertale. You better thank Jesus got me putting up with frauds like you. I am not obligated to say real shit like that to you.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      The frick you on about? Be respectful you autistic b***h

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I can't believe Christians defend a 4000 year old text as the ultimate basis of truth and then have the audacity to call people who disagree with that notion morons.

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The word is as is, its as moronic as it sounds because its by and intended for an audience of inbred desert shepherds that didn't know anything outside of Iudea.
    Any "metaphor" or apologetics by later christcucks are cope by educated people shackled by subhuman theology and never occured to the people practicing it back then.

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is what happens when a disbeliever read a Sacred Scripture. The disbelievers cannot understand that God is all powerful. That God can create plants and make them live without sun, earth or whatever. God can make plants live in the space if He wills. He can turn the space into earth and the earth into space.

    How can a disbeliever ever comprehend something like that? So why bother reading any Sacred Scripture? But you do it anyway, to mock divinity. You can't help it, can you?

    Various prophets were sent here to warn those like you, over and over again, and every time you disbelieved their message. In some cases you even killed the prophets. You didn't learn in the past and you'll probably not learn now. And we all know where you're heading.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      WTF that makes it so you are always right!? What are the odds?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Holy fricking shit you people really are hacks. You're all fricking hacks.

      This tradLARP shit is the biggest fricking magic trick pulled on this heap of shit website. It's such a fricking shame.

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Genesis 1:3
    >And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
    >Anon doesn't know that light comes from the sun

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >be me
    >Study history
    >We don't know what the druids did, trust me dude
    >Druids executing gubment stuff up to the 12th century
    >Bardic schools running up to the 18th century
    Cant possibly know bro

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I grow plants in my home, away from all sunlight.
    Germinated them in a cupboard in the kitchen, planted them, and watched them sprout in my kitchen with no windows.

    Your brain in so small.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      The claim isn’t that plants in the Bible sprouted without sunlight, it’s that all of them including fruit trees came into existence before the sun.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        So the argument against the Bible is that it disagrees with science?

        Am I moronic?
        Someone here is.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          the argument is that "science" says its impossible for god to magic plants into existence before magicking the sun into existence

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            No anon it’s that the sun is older than plants on earth.
            This wasn’t obvious to Iron Age peoples.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the sun is older than plants on earth
            prove it

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It disagrees with facts. So are we moving on from your bullshit plant growing in your darkened home story and we’re back to you defending the claim that plants came into existence before the sun?

            The argument implies that if the sun was created a day before plant everything would be dandy.

            The argument implies that there's nothing wrong with God creating the sun, but the it was created in the right time.

            That's not how you make an argument.
            A proper argument contradicts a premise from itself; from something the premise in contingent upon.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            The premise is that the genesis creation story is absurd and one of the funniest details is that they got the origin of sun and plants in the wrong order.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            plants can go one day without the sun numb nuts
            maybe god wanted something pretty to look at after he made the sun huh

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Does it feel like you’re talking to a dumb person when you’re talking to the Christian? Well chances are, you are talking to a dumb person.

            >IQ scores tended to be lowest (p < 0.001) for "religious only" participants (estimated marginal mean [EMM] = 93.0) and highest for "neither religious nor spiritual" participants (EMM = 103.7). Furthermore, IQ scores were significantly lower (ps < 0.001) for Christian/Catholic participants (EMM = 96.7) compared to both Atheist (EMM = 104.9) and Agnostic participants (EMM = 107.5

            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34449007

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >lose argument
            >heh, well i bet ur stupid! take that

            the power of atheist intellectualism

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          It disagrees with facts. So are we moving on from your bullshit plant growing in your darkened home story and we’re back to you defending the claim that plants came into existence before the sun?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            If we know plants can grow without the sun why is it difficult to say plants preceded the sun?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >If we know plants can grow without the sun
            i dont even see how this matters considering theres no reason to believe god cant just physically hold plants in some kind of stasis, or better yet, in a state more akin to a platonic ideal form

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is actually pretty weird because it's not like agriculture was unheard of when this was written. Surely they understood that plants need sunlight to grow?

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