>all they cared about was food and sleep
isn't that the things they always care about
mate they didn’t wanna mate can’t you read
that's the point.
the only thing that changed was the desire to reproduce. what other things do they care about beside those three?
This one:
His point was that the enclosure only had food and water.
It had no activities or anything for the mice to do.
They went insane out of boredom.
They've done multiple rat dystopia experiments and the first ones were objectively awful because the rats lacked stimuli and their rat society degraded significantly worse, and faster, because of it. Like, they were literal silent-hill tier psychological chicken-wire mesh containers with hard floors. They had as much food and water and space, and they filled it with rats because that was the only thing there was to do. The odd exception was that one rat dystopia where their water was laced with heroine- those rats drank the water until they killed themselves.
This experiment has been repeated numerous times and the rat-topias with common "park" areas that contained numerous toys, ample soft bedding, those wheels they love so much, and interesting geography, all universally lasted the longest because the rats could amuse themselves and maintain proper social etiquette for *far longer. Even the rats with drug-laced water showed remarkable restraint and resistance to addiction, so long as their rat community maintained places to be social and have platonic rat fun.
*To the extent that even in the face of oncoming over-population the rats still made attempts to adapt and persist: forming ques for wheels, gender segregation, creating grooming clubs, and scheduling feeding to minimize overcrowding at food sources. They still collapsed, they still went insane and ate each other and refused sex and ultimately died from overpopulation, but their durability was noticeable.
>alright I'm gonna spend the next several decades putting mice in a box and watching them do shit and then interpret it from my shitlib perspective to prove that capitalism bad or something i dunno
Are most scientists just scammers?
if anything this experiment disproves the suppossed virtues of modern liberalism/wokeness/whatever the word is and its culture of unrestrained hedonism
Unrestrained hedonism and the associated social breakdown existed in many societies before our current one. It's commonly associated with declining civilizations - anyone have that tablet from Assyria that describes their societal breakdown and compares it to the end of the world?
5 months ago
Anonymous
it's "unrestrained hedonism" for mice to refuse to have sex?
anon mice don't even have a concept of hedonism. this was not a society of mice, this was a bunch of mice forced to live in the same enclosure.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe "decadence" might be a better word here than hedonism, but the idea is that they lose any interest in fulfilling their natural functions. Which is a common thing in declining societies.
5 months ago
Anonymous
name one society that collapsed from unrestrained hedonism.
Calhoun was wrong behavioural sink doesn't exist. Replications of it failed(why does your pic say it didn't?) until the conditions were changed to drop-in mice with various tics and as much of a mental issues as you can notice in mice into the colonies.
Their number doesn't have to be that large but they will eventually cause "viral" mimicry, eventually a mimicry of a particularly unhealthy mental pattern becomes standard. If behavioural sink was real the colonies wouldn't die out but rather at low enough population the normal behaviour would come back.
All of the sociology experiments I've seen cited about an innate badness in the nature of humans or creatures turned out to be total horseshit.
You can see how desperately the guy who created the image macro wants to directly connect this experiment to his idea of 'western lib degeneracy' with the framing that suddenly homosexuality appeared at the end of the societal collapse.
One completely refuted experiment you've probably heard harped on was the Stanford Prison experiment. Completely debunked.
Any time someone tries to sell you a study claiming broad negative application to the human condition, it is probably horseshit.
Everything is not in vain in this experiment, I live almost without social contact and I feel that my behavior has changed enormously over time, I am no longer like the normies.
>All they cared about was food and sleep
Lmao
>Implying
This one:
They've done multiple rat dystopia experiments and the first ones were objectively awful because the rats lacked stimuli and their rat society degraded significantly worse, and faster, because of it. Like, they were literal silent-hill tier psychological chicken-wire mesh containers with hard floors. They had as much food and water and space, and they filled it with rats because that was the only thing there was to do. The odd exception was that one rat dystopia where their water was laced with heroine- those rats drank the water until they killed themselves.
This experiment has been repeated numerous times and the rat-topias with common "park" areas that contained numerous toys, ample soft bedding, those wheels they love so much, and interesting geography, all universally lasted the longest because the rats could amuse themselves and maintain proper social etiquette for *far longer. Even the rats with drug-laced water showed remarkable restraint and resistance to addiction, so long as their rat community maintained places to be social and have platonic rat fun.
*To the extent that even in the face of oncoming over-population the rats still made attempts to adapt and persist: forming ques for wheels, gender segregation, creating grooming clubs, and scheduling feeding to minimize overcrowding at food sources. They still collapsed, they still went insane and ate each other and refused sex and ultimately died from overpopulation, but their durability was noticeable.
interesting
is there a place when one can read about all these experiments in detail?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink
https://incels.wiki/w/Behavioral_sink
incels have a wiki?
the frick?
Yeah. Goldmine.
>all they cared about was food and sleep
isn't that the things they always care about
mate they didn’t wanna mate can’t you read
that's the point.
the only thing that changed was the desire to reproduce. what other things do they care about beside those three?
His point was that the enclosure only had food and water.
It had no activities or anything for the mice to do.
They went insane out of boredom.
no he said “isn’t that what they always care about ”
stop samegayging
>alright I'm gonna spend the next several decades putting mice in a box and watching them do shit and then interpret it from my shitlib perspective to prove that capitalism bad or something i dunno
Are most scientists just scammers?
if anything this experiment disproves the suppossed virtues of modern liberalism/wokeness/whatever the word is and its culture of unrestrained hedonism
way to project the culture wars onto a 50 year old experiment of mice
Unrestrained hedonism and the associated social breakdown existed in many societies before our current one. It's commonly associated with declining civilizations - anyone have that tablet from Assyria that describes their societal breakdown and compares it to the end of the world?
it's "unrestrained hedonism" for mice to refuse to have sex?
anon mice don't even have a concept of hedonism. this was not a society of mice, this was a bunch of mice forced to live in the same enclosure.
Maybe "decadence" might be a better word here than hedonism, but the idea is that they lose any interest in fulfilling their natural functions. Which is a common thing in declining societies.
name one society that collapsed from unrestrained hedonism.
marxists have been marching through pur institutions far longer than that
Calhoun was wrong behavioural sink doesn't exist. Replications of it failed(why does your pic say it didn't?) until the conditions were changed to drop-in mice with various tics and as much of a mental issues as you can notice in mice into the colonies.
Their number doesn't have to be that large but they will eventually cause "viral" mimicry, eventually a mimicry of a particularly unhealthy mental pattern becomes standard. If behavioural sink was real the colonies wouldn't die out but rather at low enough population the normal behaviour would come back.
>why does your pic say it didn't
because pics like those are only made to push a certain narrative, which is hard to do when you add more context
All of the sociology experiments I've seen cited about an innate badness in the nature of humans or creatures turned out to be total horseshit.
You can see how desperately the guy who created the image macro wants to directly connect this experiment to his idea of 'western lib degeneracy' with the framing that suddenly homosexuality appeared at the end of the societal collapse.
One completely refuted experiment you've probably heard harped on was the Stanford Prison experiment. Completely debunked.
Any time someone tries to sell you a study claiming broad negative application to the human condition, it is probably horseshit.
Everything is not in vain in this experiment, I live almost without social contact and I feel that my behavior has changed enormously over time, I am no longer like the normies.