What else would convert many atheists and agnostics other than scholasticism? They left religion because they thought it was irrational. Catholic scholasticism and lots of debates over intellectual issues in doctrine can bring these people back.
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Scholasticist charlatans were Retroactively refuted by Guénon.
I've seen nothing else convert more atheists and agnostics.
Religion is based on something that's irrational by definition. You lost the game before it even began.
Religion can be rational and intellectual. See the doctors of the church.
The doctors of the Church clearly separated what can be known through reason from what is only accesible through faith. And in all religions what matters the most is the contents of revelation.
Truth is, theology has never been able to solve the following riddle: if faith can be demonstrated through reason, then it is pointless; if it cannot, then it is arbitrary.
Of believing in your god were reasonable, reason would be sufficient to prove it’s real. That’s how that works.
>Religion can be rational and intellectual
>Believes in the trinity
Trinitarianism is high IQ because you need a high IQ to understand its complexity and nuance.
>God is three persons, yet we’re still monotheistic. If you give a rational explanation to this, you’re a heretic
hattable
Even if we granted that there is an unmoved mover/uncaused cause/necessary being and so on, I still don't see how could you possibly demonstrate that said God is the Christian God.
You can’t, because the Christian God is a israeli pagan deity that was never a supreme being to begin with.
Exactly. It's pretty funny to see tradcaths today complaining about progressive christians interpreting the Bible metaphorically to fit the new scientific and moral consensus, when their beloved Aquinas did the same with the God of the Old Testament in order to harmonize it with his abstract metaphysical idea of God.
I think you could arguably still have ChristianityTM or something like it, without all the Hebrew bullshit attached. Theosis, the divine virtues/deadly sins, punishment/reward in the afterlife and the death/rebirth of the world is something MOST religions share.
Reminder Marcion was (mostly) right
I think Gnosticism got a lot right in general, but also got quite a bit wrong. The Psychic-Hylic shit is certainly right though.
>Even if we granted that there is an unmoved mover/uncaused cause/necessary being and so on, I still don't see how could you possibly demonstrate that said God is the Christian God.
Well, if someone comes to believe in a Creator, the next step can be presenting the case for the Resurrection, as in this well-made video:
Or in one of the many books on the subject, such as:
Green, Was Jesus Who He Said He Was?
McDowell, More Than a Carpenter
Or a scholarly tome like N.T. Wright, The Resurrection of the Son of God.
>historical evidence for a miracle
I just don't think it more likely that some guy rose from the dead 2000 years ago, rather than it didn't happen
I'm sorry, but Hume's argument against miracles preemptively BTFO's any attempt at presenting historical evidence for the resurrection.
Hell, even the Bible admits that the story of the Gospels is supossed to sound moronic to any normal, rational person:
>For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18
You just convince them it's more likely that some guy rose from the dead 2000 years ago, rather than it didn't happen
that easy
>What else would convert many atheists and agnostics other than scholasticism?
Literally anything else.
Literally anything else? Atheists and agnostics want rationalism and scholasticism. They want academic rigor, and this is missing in much of the American faith. I've seen atheists convert to Catholicism based on the scholasticism and intellectual factor.
*actualizes a potential fart*
>They left religion because the israelite tv men told them it was irrational
FTFY
mind = broken
>slave to a israelite religion
>noooo its da jooz that make people atheists
have a nice day christpedo subhuman
>he became an atheist in 2010 because of ricky gervais
thats on you lad
Most people become atheist because they want to be scholastic, scientific, and intellectual.
most so-called atheists are just disillusioned with the church. it's an expression of dryness of spirit, not irrationality
In some cases yes others no. Atheists love to brag about how intellectual and scientific they are all the time.
Anon I'm going to be 100% with you: you just feel stupid about your religion. That's why of all the criticism you (plural) receive, that's what triggers you (singular) the most.
Is it really so hard to believe that atheists don’t believe in ancient gods from Iron Age mythology? Do you really think that’s far fetched?
If I was disillusioned with the church I would find another church.
You post about atheists as a christian without hatred. Now pay attention, in your own thread, most likely, and all over Oyish a thousand of christian posts full of malice are being posted about atheists. Not gonna lie, me personally, I'm agnostic, and literally anything anyone tell me can't change that, I mean it. But the thing is, we don't have to gate eachother.
But for sone reason, some people want to keep the war alive.
Christian doctrine tells them to spread Christianity, and their beliefs are wrong. The ancient near eastern god Yahweh is not actually real.
They are inherently a source of division and conflict.
Yeah, but at least OP isn't being a huge butthole about it.
This is true but that’s why they continue this conflagration. If they were like almost every other religion I’ve interacted with that didn’t push it on others, we wouldn’t have this problem.
I've met christians irl, they didn't had this need to convert everyone.
>They left religion because they thought it was irrational
Christianity is irrational. Your doctors can't explain many of the doctrines they preach.
Okay, if you can actually solve the problem of evil then we'll talk.
Honestly OP you may be right. In my anecdotal experience the only thing about religion that I find valuable or enticing (as an atheist) is rigorous scholastic study of scriptural works and context-providing historical and anthropological texts - and I find that most religious institutions in the modern day deliberately ignore or undermine this aspect.