Religious people do good to go to heaven. This means they are acting in their self-interest, so they aren't good.

Religious people do good to go to heaven. This means they are acting in their self-interest, so they aren't good.

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    this relies on "acting in your own self interest makes a person not good"

    burden of proof is on you

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not OP but the implication is that if necessary, these people would harm others to benefit themselves. If God told people to torture others just to get into heaven, then that is what they would do. Jesus tells us to do good without expecting a reward, which is kinda silly since he’s always talking about heaven, like that’s the whole point. But ideally you would be good to others regardless of the circumstances, because this means that your goodness cannot be taken away.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Jesus tells us to do good without expecting a reward, which is kinda silly since he’s always talking about heaven, like that’s the whole point
        do good without expecting a reward
        is different from
        do good without there being a reward

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          he literally says to not expect a reward, and you will get a reward lol

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oops, looks like ChatGPT is moronic after all. Here’s the actual verse

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            he literally says to not expect a reward, and you will get a reward lol

            salvation isn't the reward for good works again, try to learn some theology

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            that’s literally what it says though lol

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Jesus tells us to do good without expecting a reward
        No he doesn't. He says to seek rewards from God rather than other people because God's rewards are better.

        he literally says to not expect a reward, and you will get a reward lol

        Yeah, see
        >your Father will reward you

        Oops, looks like chatGPT is moronic after all. Here’s the actual verse

        >your reward will be great

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          > He says to seek forgiveness from God
          Fixt that for you

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            forgiveness = reward in this context.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Seems like a logical thing to seek then from an almighty all-good God

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I've read the NT parables and they all seem to suggest the more you do in this life the more you do in the next life. Jesus also says to expect what you lost for following Him given to you back 100fold.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          > Jesus also says to expect what you lost for following Him given to you back 100fold
          That’s good, because I’ve lost a lot of money.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Evil people act selfishly, while good people act altruistically. Altruism ultimately serves the interests of others, while selfishness, or egoism, ultimately serves self-interest. Religious people perform acts of altruism to go to heaven. so it's ultimately self-interested and not altruistic after all.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Evil people act selfishly, while good people act altruistically
        ok how is this true.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          What do you mean? Do you think evil people act altruistically, or that good people act selfishly. Both are obviously false.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Do you think evil people act altruistically
            Sometimes, yeah, at least they believe they are. Like Nazis thinking they were doing everything for the benefit of the German people.

            >or that good people act selfishly
            Yes, because virtue is essential to the pursuit of happiness. Prudence, temperance, discipline, and courage obviously useful for self-interest. Misanthropes are miserable, while being loving and kind is obviously way better for you on an emotional level, not to mention the social benefits. And acting with justice and integrity if nothing else allows you to maintain a sense of pride, which is vital, again not to mention social benefits that usually outweight the costs.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Like Nazis thinking they were doing everything for the benefit of the German people.
            And nazis thought they were germans, so ultimately they were doing everything for the benefit of themselves.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >burden of proof
      What proof? Morality is axiomatic, he can define "good" to mean whatever the frick he wants.

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    yes OP christcucks are moronic everyone knows that
    /thread

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >oh? you don't want to be a murderer because it's evil? sounds like you're just afraid of jail. you're just as bad.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >muh strawmanning and wordsalading disproves le you!!!!
      christcucks cannot into argument

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sure you must be some sort of divinity if you're so above others you can judge them all

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christ has the power to make men good unironically.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Can god create a world with free will and without, or does christ not have the power to make men good after all.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        > Can god create a world with free will and without
        And without suffering? That’s exactly what He’s doing

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, without evil.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            he did though but Eve fricked that up

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            so he didn't and can't

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            so again he did, it was eden

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Then whence come evil?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            eve eating the apple

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            So god isn't the cause of all things after all.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why didn’t God just make it so that every human has the chance to reject the fruit? How come Eve’s bad decision led to humans having desires for murder, rape, theft, buttsex, etc.? That makes no sense.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why not
            Try learning theology

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I think I’ll just stick with the theory of evolution, thanks

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            What good will that do you?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            if evolution is true, then that means we can evolve to become superhumans and create our own paradise that God failed to do.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            What makes you think God has failed to create paradise?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Today I saw a video of Africans beating an old lady and forcing her to dig her own grave because they are convinced she is a witch. I could list millions of examples of worse tragedies. This isn’t just a matter of free will. God has deliberately designed humans to be much dumber and much more cruel than necessary. The fact that some humans are clearly genetically predisposed to not be as awful means that God could have done this for everyone, and even made them better. So why the frick didn’t he? Now tell my why I shouldn’t believe in evolution instead.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Humans have been barred from paradise, but we are able to attain to a foretaste of it in the Eucharist.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Did god create eve knowing she would frick it up or is god not omniscient?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            do you have an argument?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's an internal critique. Did god create eve knowing she would frick it up or is god not omniscient?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            do you have an argument?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I accept your concession

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christ is the only way to heaven. If you trust in your works you are headed to damnation.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sacramental theology is not “trusting in your works”

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Orthodox dont believe this.

    Only saints go to heaven.

    We do good because its a good charism on us and our people.

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Guys I am literally shitting and farting

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    How many homeless charities have you donated to anon?

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