Is religion seriously the only thing that is holding christians on this board from killing and raping people? This is the most popular argument I see here.
If so, it's unironically fricking scary. I urge militant atheists to stop trying to persuade anyone. Some people are genuinely are better of believing in fairy tales if that keeps them in check. Do you really want to know what are they are capable of?
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Yeah they're projecting psychopaths. What do you expect from people who worship the bloodlines of rapists?
No. I was a deist before I converted to Catholicism. I didn't think God really cared about what I did or didn't do; and, yet, I had no desire to hurt anyone then, I still don't now. God's law is written on our hearts, people are largely not psychopaths just barely held in check by faith. We know some basic morality with or without being part of a religion due to our reason and conscience.
Get rid of the police for a week and you'll see how nice most human beings truly are, and how probably 75% of humanity only doesn't murder, rape, and pillage because they don't want to go to jail.
You’re projecting. 50% of people are women, many of them old.
The problem would almost exclusively be men under 25 and I think you’re looking at more like 50 to 60% of them
kek this so much
I'm sorry, anon, but modern men are living a dream by thinking that man is this or that. Yes, we are inherently good because we were created in God's image; still, original sin has left our nature permanently damaged. Even you can feel in your personal life how difficult it is to get rid of your bad habits and bad actions.
At some point, we NEED to have fear of God in our hearts to prevent us from becoming devils incarnate. This is true for every living human being
>At some point, we NEED to have fear of God in our hearts to prevent us from becoming devils incarnate.
I live in New England where religion is lowest in the US and the streets are safer than pretty much anywhere else.
Looks like people don’t need Christianity
>I live in New England
Nobody cares about you or the place you live, people live in other places and yes, on these other places, people need Christianity
PS: you're going to hell
Both of you fell flat on your faces in front of the fact that the most secular places tend to be the safest, refuting the idea that people need to fear the Christian god to not go on killing sprees or whatever insane warped savagery you’re projecting from your dark fedora dungeon below your poor mothers house.
Of course comrade, anyone who says otherwise never existed
Continued lack of rebuttals. I don’t believe in god and almost no one i encounter does. It is a safe place where people don’t attack each other.
It’s not necessary, you’re living in the past with archaic mindsets.
>It is a safe place where
Where countless babies are murdered in the womb and AIDS spreads like wildfire through sodomy and drug use
I don’t think I’ve met anyone with AIDS, of course you’re a drama queen about abortion.
>you’re a drama queen about abortion
Why don't you care about babies being murdered?
Grandpa it’s time for your heart meds.
What is it about this image that stokes your urge to kill? That reminds me of another interesting question, are atheists bad people because they are atheists, or are they atheists because they are bad people?
Just to be clear, you’ve conceded that it’s safe to live in non-religious areas and that they tend to be safer, you’re now just b***hing about abortion.
I don’t think abortion is good btw, it’s a last resort.
>you’ve conceded that it’s safe to live in non-religious areas and that they tend to be safer
Unless you're a baby. Also, no
100 million kulaks have been killed in New England in the past year alone.
Sorry I just tried to be as stupid as you are and I can’t quite go that low.
nobody kills babies, except maybe some religious fanatics in the past. you are insane.
Psst, take it easy, he's never left a place where only privileged people live and has no idea what it is like to experiment harshness. Go easy on the kid, real life might leave him traumatized for life
The place I live shields me from the horrors of more religious places and you’re telling me that religion is needed for people to behave morally?
You know what I like about you? Your inability to think one step ahead.
Thank you for proving my point.
Poor boy knows nothing about real life.
>can't argue against Christians
>"I'm literally shaking, these people are le scary!"
So for an atheist why is it wrong to rape and kill?
How does one argue with a pigeon?
The atheist's pieces, board, table and chair were all stolen from Jesus, and the pigeon is just repossessing them for Him.
Why wouldn't you rape or murder if you could get away with it?
I don’t want to. It’s not appealing to me, you likely have mental problems
Why don't you like it? Are you saying you wouldn't enjoy rape, murder, robbery, and torture? Would you not want male slaves to do all your work for you and lots and lots of female sex slaves?
>Are you saying you wouldn't enjoy rape, murder, robbery, and torture?
Correct.
I don’t want slaves or sex slaves because I get turned on by a woman being into it.
Nearly every culture in history permitted rape of foreign women. Why do you think of it as bad? It doesn't affect you in any way.
Because I’m a humanist of sorts. I don’t like innocent people being hurt.
Don't you have to hurt rapists and murderers to enforce your morality? Should vegans hold you accountable for eating chicken just like you want to hold rapists and murderers accountable?
I said I’m a humanist, not a chickenist.
You might not be chickenists, but chickenists do exist.
What if I go murder some random foreigner? How does that affect you? How does the murder of someone in some random city affect you?
Well I’m not a chickenist and don’t follow their rules.
Post more about how much you want to murder random people btw
>Nearly every culture in history permitted rape of foreign women.
Nearly every culture in history was religious
They didn't follow Christianity.
Christians raped a lot of Christian and non-Christian women. What are you on about?
>there's no morality without religion
>NOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT
Amazing
Just because something is right or wrong, and you know what's right and what's wrong, that doesn't stop you from doing the wrong thing even if you are religious.
So you agree morality isn't dependent on spirituality.
???
You think that me being a Christian is a superpower that stops me from doing evil things. It is not. Morality is a religious concept. That doesn't mean that I am a perfectly moral being.
Being religious doesn't stop you from being evil things.
It would be great to rape all your female relatives
There is police to protect people from animals like you.
I'm not engaging in any of them because they've been forbidden by Christ. Regardless, is the police not infringing on my right to enjoy rape, murder, robbery, and torture? I guess robbery sort of affects you indirectly through the economy, but personal crimes don't affect you at all.
>murder doesn’t negatively affect the community
Christian brainpower everyone. Cannot even imagine cascading negative effects of fear and pain
>I'm not engaging in any of them because they've been forbidden by Christ
Yes, this is what this thread is about.
>is the police not infringing on my right to enjoy rape, murder, robbery, and torture?
You don't have a right to murder, rape and rob, at least not in a country that I know of.
I don't have the right, but why shouldn't I lobby for the right to do so? Laws can't change, can't they? I can frame my desire to rape as men's rights. Injuries sustained from torture can be covered as a racial issue targeting mainly black men from troubled neighborhoods.
Why do you not engage in it if Jesus never even existed? Your morality is completely based on a fictional character
There's nothing wrong with rape or murder in your worldview. For us, it's bad because God told us it's bad. We murder animals all the time. We also murder humans if the situation requires it. So, what's wrong with murdering humans in general?
Killing innocent people is bad. Most people agree this is the case so that’s how it is.
What makes it bad? Lots of people enjoy murder. If I want to torture or murder someone, what's it to you as long as it doesn't affect you?
Then you get killed or thrown in jail. Behave or face the consequences.
What makes it bad? People who enjoy rape and torture can lobby to excuse various forms of rape and torture. Just higher standards of evidence would do. If the laws changed and rape and torture became more commonplace, what's stopping any of us from engaging in rape or torture?
Because we all agree that it’s bad and you’re the odd man out.
Stories throughout history tell of the one guy who just didn’t care about anyone else except how much pleasure he could derive from harming others. You are to be ganged up on and fricked up.
So it's bad because there's more people with the subjective opinion? So what? How many people need to prefer strawberry ice cream before liking chocolate becomes wrong?
>they prevent individuals or society from achieving well-being
Why is that immoral? How does announcing utilitarianism justify utilitarianism?
Your preference for ice cream doesn’t harm people and society like your sadistic urges do.
You really are a sociopath. No humanity or soul but zero charm and average to below average intelligence.
He looks like a guy who is in severe doubt of his religious beliefs and is trying to hang to them as hard as possible, to the point of being almost delirious.
You're talking to two Christians here. Maybe three depending on who wrote the first response. We all agree on this. It's pretty basic.
How does sadism hurt you? Why should it be forbidden? What if I pay someone to be tortured and there's mutual consent?
Normal people have pro-social internal moral compasses while you need to believe you’re under threat of eternal torture to behave.
>Normal people have pro-social internal moral compasses while you need to believe you’re under threat of eternal torture to behave.
Normal people mostly do need the threat of punishment to behave.
>Normal people mostly do need the threat of punishment to behave
Don’t buy it at all. A large chunk of men under 25 sure but they also keep each other in check along with society and the law
Your moral compass is determined by your cultural upbringing. We are forbidden from committing adultery as well. But you atheist scum probably don't thing of adultery as a huge offense.
Eh I wouldn’t break up a marriage or mess with the relationship of a friend.
But you don't consider it something on the level of murder. Not coveting probably isn't high on your list of priorities either. Desire is a drug, but you don't see it as a drug. Not a bad one, at least.
No it’s bad to cheat in a marriage but it’s not murder.
I already answered, you’re a fricking weirdo and I do not like talking to you.
We're two people. You answered to me, but not to him.
Cheating isn't the same as murder, but it's still a crime.
Yes, it did. It continues to do so with our current judicial system based on Christian morality.
>Normal people have pro-social internal moral compasses
So what? Why should I care about the dictates of anybody's moral compass? There something objective about these moral beliefs, or is it just the primitive emotionality of highly evolved pond scum?
>while you need to believe you’re under threat of eternal torture to behave.
Anon I want you to understand I say this with a lot of respect, I know you believe it is wrong to rape and murder, because you are made in the image of God. What I am pointing out is that we Christians have a basis to say that it's wrong. You don't.
>Why should I care about the dictates of anybody's moral compass?
Because we’ll make you, you sniveling little c**t. Keep your hands to yourself.
Is that it, your only basis is "grug smash"? What's the difference between you inflicting harm on the child killer because it makes you feel good, and him inflicting harm on the child because it makes him feel good? If morality is nothing more than your subjective opinion that you force others to conform to, what is the difference between it and punishing people for preferring a different ice cream flavor? If it's just a matter of opinion, why should the child killer care what your opinion is, when his opinion is that killing children is fun?
No Anon I have still yet to hear any reason why it is wrong
Yeah you don’t have an internal moral compass and you don’t get why you shouldn’t rape people to death, I know.
People like you are why I’m glad we have law enforcement.
So, you have the right to murder someone based on your definition of morality, but a murderer doesn't have the same right based on his version of morality? How is that fair?
The group decides. You’re evil and defective because you have no internal compass. You are to be watched, locked up and destroyed if necessary. You are a waste of skin and a danger to the group.
But how am I a danger to the group if I don't harm anyone within the group?
You can see similar conversations happening every day. There are also two Christians here.
You’re to be watched.
Isn't it interesting how we have such a demonstration of the irrationality of the atheist worldview right here in this thread? Christians ask a simple question, but because of the intellectual bankruptcy of their worldview the atheists can not answer it
We're all watched every day. We're monitored for un-Christian behavior. Christians are the guardians of morality in the US. You already have no issue with killing children. You're already for blurring the lines with rape and torture. Adultery and tyranny is of no issue to you. You try to dunk on Christians for lacking a moral compass, while your own moral compass is completely defective. We have clear boundaries that we follow. Yours shifts every few years.
This conversation is not about what I want to do or what a bad person I am nor have I ever said I have any desire to rape and kill, this is supposed to be a rational conversation about worldviews though we haven't heard very much from you yet. You have an atheistic worldview I have a Christian theistic worldview, I want to know how an atheist can account for the existence of moral absolutes, I haven't heard it yet.
>This conversation is not about what I want to do or
It’s about how you have no internal compass. You’re proving op 100% right.
I'm just searching for a reasonable man, do you know where I can find one?
I just wanted to help op illustrate his point by fishing your disgusting views out of your ugly fat body.
You have no internal compass, I’m glad you’re on a list or two, and I’m going to enjoy my Saturday night now.
Enjoy being a creepy virgin until you die.
We accept your concession. Make sure to go to church tomorrow.
I like how anon #1 is asking an ontological question and anon #2 is salty thinking #1 is professing morality as a social construct. And by being salty attests morality is a social construct. Beautiful.
>Your preference for ice cream doesn’t harm people and society like your sadistic urges do.
This assumes that harming people is wrong which is the very question that is being asked of you, on what basis do you say that is wrong? I could easily see how it makes sense in the Christian worldview to say it is wrong, but it seems absurd in an atheist worldview
>You really are a sociopath. No humanity or soul but zero charm and average to below average intelligence.
I'm just looking for a basis to say such things are wrong. Where is a reasonable man? Where can I find a reasonable man?
>So it's bad because there's more people with the subjective opinion?
it's called 'bad' because there's more people with the opinion (all opinion is by definition subjective).
>So what?
you can't take them on all. they'll frick you up.
>How many people need to prefer strawberry ice cream before liking chocolate becomes wrong?
nobody cares about this, so there's no but a hypothetical religion that frowns upon chocolate ice cream could very well shape up to list it as being just as wrong as blasphemy, and if you were born in that religion, you'd keep asking unbelievers how do they know eating chocolate ice cream is wrong if they don't believe the revealed divine truth.
>it's called 'bad' because there's more people with the opinion
So it is not actually bad to kill children?
>you can't take them on all. they'll frick you up
You say so but maybe I think I can, or maybe I don't care, or maybe I want them to
>nobody cares about this
Irrelevant, would there be any difference between them caring about it and them caring about the murder of children? Is there any actual significance to children being murdered that is lacked by people liking the "wrong" ice cream flavor?
>so there's no but a hypothetical religion
Also irrelevant, once again the debate is between atheism and Christian theism, any third position is not relevant to this discussion
>if you were born in that religion
Perhaps if I were from an Islamic country like Pakistan I would have different moral beliefs, that's fair, how do you justify either one of them would be my question
>you'd keep asking unbelievers how do they know eating chocolate ice cream is wrong
So there is no greater significance to child murder than eating ice cream
Oh no that's not giving me a basis for morals, that's telling me morality isn't real, which is philosophically unacceptable. If morals aren't objective if it's just subjective opinion, then I trust you to have no complaints if I were to brutally murder you since I would not be doing anything wrong. The torture of little children is not wrong in your worldview, it might be very painful, we might dislike it, but it's not wrong, it doesn't violate any oughts, the child killer did not do anything he ought not have and our punishment of him is not different from his violence against the child, it's just violence for pleasure.
You can't gang up on minorities anymore. Why should everyone subscribe to your definition of a good society? Maybe permitting some violence is good. Hitting people till their teeth fall out can be a sport of sorts, can't it?
I follow Christ and I'm forbidden from murder. It's the 6th commandment, bro.
If you ever wondered why Christian kindness often is creepy and insincere, it’s because they’re actually like this inside.
>There's nothing wrong with rape or murder in your worldview.
you are too stupid to imagine our worldview, and can't help but make up shit about it. stop this.
>For us, it's bad because God told us it's bad.
god never told you rape is bad. he told you to forcibly marry the victim to the rapist.
I'm still waiting to hear why murder and rape is wrong in the atheist worldview
yeah, because you actively resist hearing it. this can go on for a long time.
What's the reason then? Keep in mind appeals to consequentialism fall on deaf ears since we have to be able to determine if those consequences are good or not
the reason is game theory. nobody wants to be killed, so we form an alliance whereby we agree to frick up whoever kills any one of us. this is called 'wrong'; 'wrong' is just a name we attach to this state of affairs, not an a priory category. we have evolved to behave according to such agreements, we have an internalization mechanism that takes care of the details. pretending some of these rules were given by the magician in the sky does not make them more than aforesaid social agreements. and some of them are already innate, because game theory is the same throughout the times. societies having to discover why unfair exchanges break down cooperation will fail in the wars against those that don't, as a result we - indeed at least all apes - are already born with a sense of equitable exchange. I could go on, but there's no point, since you will keep parroting how nobody told you whence those evil atheists get their morals.
In other words you are appealing to the consequences. Like I said, the Christian wants something deeper than consequentialism.
>Like I said, the Christian wants something deeper than consequentialism.
then the christian is stupid. not much of a surprise.
as I said, you have decided right and wrong has to come from some authority. they don't. not even from christians.
You're showing that you don't have a problem with a subjective and arbitrary moral system, not that there doesn't need to be an authority for that moral system. The Christian wants to know what makes positive consequences good. Excercise has positive consequences for my body, does that make it moral? No. Why is it good for life to exist?
>You're showing that you don't have a problem with a subjective and arbitrary moral system
Yes anon you’ve made it quite clear that you need a literal list of rules to behave because you’re too autistic to behave like a normal person. No one cares.
You don't seem to understand the point being made and at this point I'm becoming convinced it's because you lack the mental capacity to do so.
The other day someone said TAG is an IQ test, and I'm really starting to appreciate that.
Once again, too stupid to see the point being made or too stupid to care
There's nothing to resist hearing. You can prove me wrong real easy by giving me the answer
not true. you will keep harping about this no matter what I do. but I gave you my answer above
. what you want is that atheists name an authority who decides what is right and wrong. that's not how it works.
>atheist makes a thread about the Christians here being closeted sociopaths barely holding on
>they proceed to prove him right
Can’t even help themselves lmao. It’s a good thing law enforcement monitors this site
Could you please explain why it's wrong to rape and kill? I'm like Diogenes here, but I'm searching for a reasonable man
Good luck with that
morality is based on the promotion of overall well-being, and that actions that cause harm are immoral because they prevent individuals or society from achieving well-being. Theories like Utilitarianism, for example, argue that actions should be evaluated based on their ability to produce the greatest overall happiness or well-being.
Why do Christians think it's a good argument to act like psychopathic behavior is completely justifiable without God? Even primitive hunter-gatherer tribes wouldn't allow someone to freely murder and rape with no consequences. It would quickly destroy the community. We wouldn't be able to create advanced civilizations without morals.
Oyish has always had edgelords but now they’ve taken on a cheesy Christian aesthetic, it’s just the new iteration of the fedora and katana thing.
Because it doesn't affect you. The world is overpopulated. We could have a portion of the society exclusively to be used for rape and murder and it wouldn't affect anyone.
What's insincere about this? I sincerely am not going to murder anyone. God has specifically forbidden this in the clearest terms.
You don’t have an internal sense that murder rape and torture is wrong, which is why you come off as offputting and disturbing,
Practically speaking, how is murder different from war and how is rape different from sex? Most murderers and rapists don't see any difference.
Wars are fought with justification to save the group (sometimes it’s a lie but the people often believe it) and sex is consensual while rape is harmful and painful.
You really creep me the frick out.
>sex is consensual while rape is harmful and painful.
Why does this matter?
Because Spider-Man crawled up my ass and said that rape is le bad. Spidey won't lie
In war, there are plenty of actions taken by soldiers which are practically no different from murder. Sex can be "harmful and painful" as well. Consensual BDSM can do more physical harm than rape where the victim submits (which are most cases).
The mind of a Christian everybody
So, are you saying if I pay someone to beat them up or torture them, that's perfectly fine? I just need their consent, right?
Not allowing it in general. How about allowing it in specific cases? How about shifting the boundaries so certain forms of rape, murder, and torture are allowed?
If you’re into s&m with a consenting partner go for it.
How is that practically different from torture? Can I skin someone alive if I pay them for the privilege?
>boundaries so certain forms of rape, murder, and torture are allowed?
They already are.
Also, torture and murder were church-sanctioned practices in medieval times too. Inquisition and stuff, you know.
@FBI
FBI is a Christian force who operate according to Christian morality. If they were atheists, you'd have the NKVD or the Stasi. You should thank God that you live in a Christian country.
The Inquisition didn't involve torture or murder. Most of it was standard trials.
>The Inquisition didn't involve torture or murder.
Oh, it's just a bait
Read a book instead of going by memes. At least read Wikipedia before commenting.
So no tortures happened during the inquisition? Was it all a israeli slander?
More of an atheist slander. But sure, some of those atheists were israelites.
Did Christianity prevent wars, murder and rape from happening?
It was used to justify so much war murder and rape that it would be surprising if it prevented more than it caused
It would affect me. How can you seriously not comprehend allowing murder and rape would affect all of society?
>Is religion seriously the only thing that is holding christians on this board from killing and raping people?
No. The only thing holding them back is their inferior genes. They won't do shit because they CAN'T do shit.
They vent all that bottled up anger on anonymous forums such as this because they are too afraid to express their views in real life knowing full well that if a real man shouted at them they'd probably piss their pants.
Religion is the one thing that stops people from turning into Hyenas and killing each other
the "christian" psycho is almost certainly a troll
What the frick is this thread
What the frick is wrong with christcucks
Atheism is getting ripped to shreds again.
By you acting like an utterly deranged psycho?
I'm just searching for a reasonable man. Are you him, can you answer my questions?
Yes, yes of course
Ok, so why is it wrong to rape and kill?
Spider-Man said that in one of the comics
Spider-Man is israeli so he sort of shares our morality. You're just proving our point.
Yes I trust in the teachings of Spider-Man, His word is my law, his kindness guides me through life and Spider-Eternity.
Then it looks like we win the debate, we've reached agreement that the atheist worldview is incorrect
Did you accept Spider-Man as your saviour too?
Depends on the period. Spider-Man probably had lots of Christian influence in the past. However, this is slowly changing, so I'll stick with Christ.
You have to stick to pre-2000s Spider-Man. The new Spider-Man is probably woke and degen.
So you are renouncing atheism and becoming a spidermanist? You haven't solved the problem Anon
Would you want to be raped or killed?
Is this relevant to my question?
Yes, most people have basic empathy
>Yes
How is it relevant to my question?
>most people have basic empathy
I did not ask you if most people have basic empathy I asked you on what basis you say it is wrong to rape and kill
You wouldn't want to be raped or killed. You should be able to use basic empathy to deduce if you don't want to be raped or killed then it would be bad for you to rape and kill others. You are acting like a turbo autist psycho that can't comprehend why morals are necessary for society.
Basic empathy can also be misleading. Justice sometimes requires harshness.
All morality is by nature religious
Even if it is not Christian morality
>ignore the existence of laws
>ignore the fact that morals are integral to humans, are beneficial for society and that morality predates religion
>ignore the fact that christianity caused plenty of wars, torture and murder despite its "objective morality"
>atheists btfo!
Morality does not predate religion because God is the source of morality. If there's no moral absolutes there's no reason to care about any laws
>christianity caused plenty of wars, torture and murder
The topic is the intellectual merits of the atheist or Christian theist worldviews, not what behaviors professors of those worldviews have engaged in in the past.
What if I want to rape and kill others? Why should my desire for that not to happen to me have anything to do with my desire to do that to others? What if I'm so arrogant that I think I can take the whole world in a fight? What if I'm a masochist and I do want horrible things to happen to me? And how is punishment attached to a behavior a basis for saying that such behavior is wrong? If morality is necessary for society to survive, so what? Why is it better for society to live rather than die?
>Is religion seriously the only thing that is holding christians on this board from killing and raping people?
I was an atheist for many years and did not do either of those things. I will say that I am certainly a better person now than I was, but as an atheist I had no real reason to stop sinning. Sure, it wasn't murder or rape, but it was still self destructive behavior.
>is religion seriously the only thing that is holding Christians on this board from killing and raping people?
No. Our conscience and the moral precepts afforded by nature likewise act to restrain those impulses, alongside the existence of law enforcement, various modes of surveillance, and the implicit sanctions that are enforced against maladaptive or antisocial individuals in society (i.e. lunch table, ostracism, blacklisting, etc.) For the Christian, however, it is the additional element of our Savior having commanded us to observe all that He has said, and our desire to serve and worship Him in holiness and thanksgiving, that impels a stricter conformity to the law (whether Biblical or manmade). Of course, some antinomians denominations may argue against the binding validity of the law as a rule for life, but that goes against the very words of Christ and of His apostles.
It seems to me that it is in fact unbelievers who have less of an incentive to be law abiding citizens, seeing as they deny the universality of moral obligations and the inevitable visitation of justice even to those malefactors who operate covertly. It follows that apart from a mature notion of maintaining social harmony and cohesion, a belief scarcely present in the youth of today, or a arbitrary commitment to particular ethical precepts, the unbeliever would only obey rules and statutes only insofar as he perceives a greater likelihood of getting caught by human authorities in violating them. Likewise, he perceives a net benefit accruing to himself in conforming his behavior to the expected norms of society. Classical carrot and stick behavior.
So, then, the Christian has far more reason to act rightly than the heathen. Your thoughts, OP?
>it's bad because it j-just... just... IS OK? STOP ASKING QUESTIONS
>christian recent converts admit they would rape and murder
Lmao
Nobody said they wanted to rape and murder, that was just a desperate cope the atheists were using as an excuse for not having an answer
It's not that they would, there's just no reason not to if you wanted to and there's no god, afterlife etc. It's easy enough to come up with practical reasons why individual people shouldn't do that (societal breakdown), but when you get to more impersonal stuff e.g. wars waged by your country that affects someone else you have no relation to in some other part of the world -- I think the humanist position expressed ITT starts to fall apart. If it benefits people in your country i.e. the group then why not do it? Also defining all of humanity as "the group" is silly and a kind of religion in itself.
I'm a member of society. If I do some crazy shit I'm going to prison, in an hypothetical lawless world his relatives would try to kill me or my family. My point is you can't do crazy shit for free no matter what, most people don't want to deal with its consequences, I think the point theist try to do is that laws come from God or something like this
No. They still commit acts of violence and sexual acts. They just use religion to cover them up as innocents figures with a huge community to protect them. The majority of the priests and members of Christianity are well known to be abusers, pedos and predators.
Do you really think that they're a peaceful religion after their violent history of forcing people to convert to their religion?
Its also pretty ironic that majority of the Christianity and their sub brances, are against to the fundamentals of God and Jesus's teachings, despite prattling on and on about their words. They could not learn how to love or respect anyone, because it also goes against to their belief in exerting power and control with the religion.
The Christian seeks an answer to why immoral actions are bad, this he finds in Gods infallibility. The athiest, because he is almost incapable of actual thought, accepts that the things which are immoral are immoral without asking "why is this immoral?" If the athiest were to consider the question, they would find either God or a non-metaphysical answer to a meta-physical question.
Anon
That argument is correct
Westerners kill millions of their own children every year through abortion, not enemies, their own children.
Christians are the largest group among westerners who largely does not do that.
Religion is clearly good for knowing that you shouldn't kill someone, even if his/her death would solve a problem for you.
Religion is also good for other things, such as knowing than men can't get pregnant.
If atheists are for real rational believers of evolution, then they should find the evolutionary advantage of religion.
They live in post modern atheistic societies with collapsing birth rates and massive immigration, while they wonder what religion is good for.
"Christianity might be a bulwark against something much worse"
- Richard Dawkins
Fetus is not a child
Why do you make arbitrary distinctions of the different stages of human development?
A 1 month old baby can't talk, can't really think since he lacks language, can't feed itself, totally depends on others. It's not that different from his fetus state.
It takes a great deal of delusion to pretend that aborting isn't killing your own offspring.
I mean, czechia and japan are very irrelogious and they have very low crime rates, irreligious countries are ironically the least violent lol
The point is that humanistic ideology can be deconstructed into arbitrary nothingness and will fall apart without material reasons to be lawful, such as fear of eternal punishment in Hell. There will never be a better answer for "why is X bad," than "God said so."
Looks like that’s bullshit because religiosity actually seems to positively correlate with violent crime rate. The most secular places on earth are generally the places where you’re least likely to be attacked.
I think there is a high rate of ASD and anti-social disorders on this board which prevents many of you from understanding how people behave and why they do what they do.
That's because criminals live down to earth and when you live in the real world you aren't in a position to pretend like God isn't real, atheism, troonyism etc. are delusions that can only exist without adversity
Its very obvious that people behave and act in order to fit in the group. Deviation is what gets you labeled as weird, antisocial, degen, mentally ill, etc. Also irrelevant to what I said, as is your first point.
Violent crime is caused by many factors, including poverty, culture, shitty upbringing, and mental illness. Religion has nothing to do with violent crime, unless we're talking about sectarian violence. You can find incredibly religious communities that don't have crime either. They aren't connected.
Maybe you're the problem, not Christianity?
why are 50% of all posts on this "history" board just atheists attacking Christianity?
Is this a Sunday tradition or is the board being raided?
>Oyish used to be full of history threads
>Christians start spamming tons of threads every day
>Christian threads outnumber history threads
>atheists that browse Oyish get tired of Christians ruining the board
>atheists start arguing with Christians
>Christians make more threads arguing with atheists
>atheists make more threads arguing with Christians
>Oyish turns into a religious arguments board because mods refuse to make /rel/