>Single-handedly ruined the public image of atheism to the point of no return, to the extent that people in real life don't call themselves atheists anymore.
Very impressive if you ask me.
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>Single-handedly ruined the public image of atheism to the point of no return, to the extent that people in real life don't call themselves atheists anymore.
Very impressive if you ask me.
Atheism was always stupid, science is literally from mysticism. To say there is no God is rerarded
You are a dipshit. Science is a methodology, it's simply a way of accumulating evidence that's verifiable by external actors. There's nothing more to it.
You have a hypothesis, collect evidence to confirm or contest it, peers test it and if it's proven verifiable, it gets added to our collective understanding of the world. Dismissing science and rejecting it because it offends your worldview is peak moron.
>Anon doesn't know about scientism and its cult/faith like behaviors.
Sad, very sad
It literally doesn't matter. Regardless of how many people naively accept the established scientific consensus, science does eventually change it's view as new evidence emerges. It's much more rational to have faith in a method that accepts it's fallability and has the flexibility to evolve and change. The enlightened atheist cheerleaders for science aren't ever a factor in it's output.
Compare that to religion enjoyers, who stick with a moronic idea forever, and have a colourful history of actively murdering anyone who try to think differently, and it's clear why religion has cratered in the developed world and is largely now just a political aesthetic for tradlarpers to fly their flag.
>and it's clear why religion has cratered in the developed world and is largely now just a political aesthetic for tradlarpers to fly their flag.
Except people have just been inventing new religions like blm and transgenderism and watching marvel movies about demigods, one literally named thor. Religion is quite literally cognitive behavioral therapy in which you attempt to accept reality by telling your ego that something greater than yourself is in control. Regardless of whether metaphysically this is true, the therapy works. God as a concept is just reality. You accept that your mom died when you were 5 and you were raped as God's will? Ok now you can move on because you have accepted reality. Doesn't fricking matter if God is real, the therapy is necessary which is why every culture ever had religion and myth. And if you don't you end up fighting reality and cutting your dick off because you can't accept reality and the cards you were dealt and that uncle benny molested you so now you have to be a troony and do battle with God for putting you into the wrong hogwarts house.
>transgenderism is a religion
So you're admitting a group of deluded idiots all coming together to play pretend with each other is "religion"? If so, we may agree more than we disagree.
Everybody is desparate for some group to cling to with magical thinking and special sprinkles of righteous victimism. Look at the israelites or the nazis, we are the chosen people of god and superior eternal victims. Still doesn't change the point of God or gods just being an anthropomorphism of reality conceptually. People don't even like when God is like the islamic one. They need God to be jesus or Krishna to be in human form.
>Everybody is desparate for some group to cling to with magical thinking and special sprinkles of righteous victimism.
Are you being hyperbolic for emphasis or do you genuinely believe that? Because it's a ridiculous statement. Even trans rights activists are a vanishing minority, they just appear outsized due to your and the media you consumes hyperfixation on them. The vast majority of people are quite happy not really giving a shit either way, accept the likely meaninglessness of existence and make do with the happiness they can make for themselves.
Nah, everybody needs something. You aren't going to convince me you aren't a pillhead at this point since so many people are. You become a pillhead, a workaholic, a heckin gamer, an alcoholic, a drug addict, a sex addict, a therapy addict, a organization addict joining the pta and the hoa and a jogging group and the book club etc, or you cling to religion. I have yet to meet a single person without some kind of cope or horrendous life frick ups. Oh me I'm into the dsa teehee. Be a realist.
So it's all a cope to you? All human behaviour? And you're calling me unrealistic? Dude give up you have nothing to say.
If you can find me somebody without addictions, not a pillhead on zoloft, who just exists happily and healthily with a wife and family, goes to the gym, eats healthy, doesn't frick hookers, isn't deeply emotionally invested in marvel or nfl, as you suggested that exists I will show you the next jesus.
What the frick does any of that have to do with religion? Being single is a religion now? Eating junk food? Not going to the gym? Having hobbies? What are you even talking about.
Let me remind you:
>Everybody is desparate for some group to cling to with magical thinking and special sprinkles of righteous victimism.
So someone painting warhammer figurines is clinging to magical thinking and special sprinkles of righteous victimism? Or watching football? Your thoughts are incoherent and frankly, fricking dumb bro.
Calm down pillhead. Yes, the point of religion is pretty much universally two things; accepting reality and trying to be a better person. The word sin for example in root word means missing the mark. It means not being as good as you know you could be. It's cognitive behavioral therapy, that is the purpose. You suggested people are happy without this and they quite visibly and obviously are not. Otherwise it wouldn't spring up in a paradise like hawaii. Saying people are happier with just going to work and consooming bread and circus is simply not true. Warhammer is quite literally a surrogate mythology. Objectively it is a surrogate mythology.
You are being overly reductive in order to draw a false correlation and force a narrative. All stories? Surrogate mythologies. All human behaviour? A cope to distract from the abyss. Forget psycho-socio economic conditions. CO2 has risen alongside depression too, maybe we're just not getting enough oxygen? Or maybe you're a dipshit.
Calm down and take your wellbutrin. Google the monomyth. Yes a fantasy like warhammer is a surrogate mythology for a deeply sick society without one of their own. Traditionally you would have cultural mythology from your reigon and about your own people. It wouldn't be about sand people 3000 miles away or a man spider who fights crime or a god emperor and space marines. If you ask any cultural anthropologist if tribal people even have a word for depression the answer is no because it doesn't exist. We live in sterilized boxes with fiat currency and fractional reserve banking staring at boxes all day praising the science God for making us so lucky to have antibiotics and mri machines to help live a long life of captivity like a zoo animal. And like an elephant at the zoo we are mentally ill.
The monomyth doesn't mean what you think it means. A convention of storytelling that's pleasing does not equate to a religion. People can enjoy the nfl without thinking the players or managers are gods. People enjoy fiction without considering it fact. People can come to moral conclusions based on empathy and compassion, without a supreme edict from a higher power that threatens eternal punishment for infractions.
You seem to agree that religion is just making things up that we enjoy. That's good. You equate all social ills and the mental illness epidemic to a systemic irreligiousity. That's fricking stupid.
>If you ask any cultural anthropologist if tribal people even have a word for depression the answer is no because it doesn't exist.
Complete myth.
Psychology is an extremely new field of science, depression was previously called melancholia in english and was suffered even when religion was near 100%. It's only highlighted today because we have such a highly systematised health system and strong economic imperatives to be constantly functional 100% of the time. Your point makes no sense when suicide rates are the highest in African countries where populations are at 100% religious.
Yes modern western life is shit, and it's shit in a myriad of ways, pointing to religion and saying this is the singular thing we need is why I keep calling you reductive. You're so close to getting it and yet so far. The happiest countries in the developed world also happen to be the most atheist (the nordic countries), they also just so happen to have strong workers rights, access to universal healthcare and tons of holiday. Religion in reality barely comes into it, what you're really pointing to are just the symptoms of existing within an increasingly authoritarian, decaying capitalist empire that's busily extracting resources from it's middle classes to benefit it's ultra rich, and the pains that come with that.
Doesn't finland have the highest suicide rate?
Not even close, Lithuania is the highest "developed" nation. Also happens to be deeply catholic. Most african countries are shitholes that can't maintain official records. Every independent study sees subsaharan nations top the records.
>anon is left of the bell curve and thinks he's on the right
Sad, very sad
You are being willfully dishonest. Scientism is when you reject all other forms of knowledge for the sake of science. No one itt has said that
>don't you dare attack my precious bacon
>things that cannot be measured or replicated?
>yeah those don't exist and can't exist
>if soiance is so bad then why can i jerk off on my cellphone
>hehehe you don't even know about gsm vs cdma
>#include <stdio.h>
int main() {
// printf() displays the string inside quotation
printf("Hello, World!");
return 0;
}
You realise noone gets killed by insulting atheism right? Thousands are killed by religious nutjobs every year.
Secondly like half of science is developing experiments that measure things that weren't previously measurable. You think we got the Large Hadron Collider by accident? Literally everything we can measure now at some point we couldn't, and the ability to do so was developed through the scientific method. Oh no the mean scientists are skeptical of the time you dreamt you met god and he proclaimed you are his son and messiah, yes it's very valid and real dear, now just make yourself comfy in this padded cell.
>my bacon is unstoppable
>now go get your 8th booster and wear 4 microplastic inhalors
>I've lost the argument so will resort to strawmans
I accept your surrender
Be honest, how many boosters did you get?
It's funny when you try to strawman atheists by putting them all in one box
I can do the same, all Christians I met irl are zionists and want to ban violent video games
(If we're being honest there is a larger percentage of people who fit that stereotype than fit yours)
Atheists
>huuuuur atheist never murder people, only religious people do that duuuuuurrrrr
Reality
>the French Reign of Terror = atheists killed over 70,000 people for the crime of being religious. Anyone ACCUSED of being a priest was executed and not reporting a priest was a capital crime
>the Spanish Red Terror = over 100,000 people were executed for the crime of being religious according to official records. Entire parishes were executed in the street for going to church including infants. When they ran out of nuns to kill they dug up recently dead nuns to mutilate the bodies. Over 15,000 priests, monks, and nuns were tortured & executed because they were religious
>the Cristero War = to stamp out religion over 40,000 people were executed for the crime of being religious. Children as young as 12 were tortured for days then executed for going to church. The president ordered the bodies hung from RURAL telegraph poles to not impact tourism too much.
Moron
>things that cannot be measured or replicated?
>yeah those don't exist and can't exist
They can exist. But if someone says "hey bro, I write this song that's gonna be the next big hit single and will make me a billionaire" and refuses to let you hear the song it'd be moronic to give that person money with the expectation he'll pay you back when he's rich and famous.
Any situation where someone's asking you to accept the thing he or she is pitching is both real and can't be inspected is going to be an obviously suspicious situation. It could be legitimate but that isn't a promising sign since it's exactly how you would pitch a lie or a delusion (the two more common situations where you can't let someone inspect what you're talking about).
You do have to admit anon
The 'I love science ' croud I'd also just as gay and cringe as r/atheism
Sure but they're not "science". Confusing the two is moronic. They breathe oxygen too, are you going to be a lame cringe oxygen breather like the reddit atheists or a chad theistic auto-erotic asphyxiation casualty?
>no God
Which god, anon? Cus there's a lot to choose from.
>Atheists have a point of shame they won't cross
>Theists just keep on going, nothing's too humiliating
That's a plus for the religious. When there's no shame you can't lose the embarrassment fight. Joseph Smith was a convicted charlatan and scam artist? Yeah, frick that. Mormonism is now an officially accepted branch of Christianity. Gold plates, Native American Angels, your own planet in heaven, everything goes. Eat shit, atheists. Go wallow in the shame of your silly hat, smarty pants. We're inventing new heavens over where, blow us.
>In my head, I am based, and skydaddy loves me
This is what religiongays look like to everyone normal. It's just maladaptive daydreaming ad absurdum, combined homicidal rage at anything that contradicts their homosexualry. So cucked by reality they run away to fantasy land.
That was just plebbit leftards being plebbit leftards though
"The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you."
- Werner Heisenberg
Orange man bad covid scary get boosted orange man so bad no no gdrumpft pls no no save docracy vote cia pls get boostered ok maybe a little buddhism ok maybe some prayer and meditation god kot real not real not real oh no orange man coming for me ahhhhh
Oh, bless your heart! Your passionate response is just adorable, but let's sprinkle a bit of fairy dust on it, shall we?
First off, comparing the monomyth to the NFL? Oh, honey, that's like comparing Shakespeare to a high school drama class. Cute, but not quite the same league. And yes, people can enjoy fiction without considering it fact - just like we enjoy your argument without taking it seriously!
Now, onto your cultural anthropology lesson: Just because a word doesn't exist in a language, doesn't mean the concept isn't there. Like, just because there's no word for "eyebrow dancing" in English, doesn't mean people can't wiggle their brows in rhythm, right?
And oh, your views on psychology! Melancholia, depression, tomato, tomahto. It's all about the blues, whether you're wearing a toga or a lab coat. But saying that religion is 100% in Africa and thus should solve all problems is like saying because I have a fridge, I should never be hungry. Life's a bit more complicated than that, sweetie.
As for the modern western life being "shit" oh, you fiery rebel! But reducing the complex social and economic structures of Nordic countries to just atheism and holidays is like saying the secret to a great cake is just sugar. It's a bit more nuanced than that.
In conclusion, while your heart is in the right place, maybe next time, try not to oversimplify the complexities of human society. It's like a jigsaw puzzle, not a coloring book. Keep up the spirited debates, though - it's quite entertaining!
>I'm not reductivist, YOU'RE reductivist!
Are you so dumb you didn't understand half of that contradicts your own post? I guess when don't have anymore arguments you have to resort to being sassy.
Learn to recognize GPT
>First off
>Now
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>As for
>In conclusion
I wish I knew how to get the bot to stop that but I usually delete this shit
Yeah I just say im agnostic even though I dont really believe in god, I dont care enough to nor do I want to debate a religious person about it
Pretty wacky that an internet meme ass blasted fedoras so hard that they all converted to Catholicism. Still just as obnoxious but instead of telling you why Jesus never existed its about how Martin Luther killed the white race
in real life new atheism did great damage to religion, online it made 80% of the far right larp as trad catholics. its basically a disaster on two fronts
>ruined the public image of atheism
doesn't really mater that much because the greatest threat to religion in the west isn't millitant atheism but indifference toward it.