People have serious trouble with extremely simple and self evident theological concepts, going so far as to saying "X is a made up religious idea" when in fact X is part of everyday human experience.
>Sin was invented to control people
Sin literally just means you do something wrong. Spill water: sin. Lose your keys: sin. etc. The etymological root is an archery term meaning you don't hit your target. The wages of sin is death => if you miss your target in an archery battle, you die. Simple. Easy to understand. You haven't committed some moral error if you miss your target, you haven't had any "good boy points" deducted, but you end up dead.
>Original sin makes even less sense
It literally just means that the errors of people who inhabited the world before you affect your own life.
And so on.
Now obviously these are religious ideas, because they go much deeper than this, but you need to stop thinking like a redditor and realize that the reason these notions had the currency they had is because they actually make sense to everyone before all the midwit minds were poisoned with reductive materialism. It's not complicated.
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>Sin literally just means you do something wrong
Yes and the people who set what it's wrong to do are the ones who are controlling people via "sin".
>It literally just means that the errors of people who inhabited the world before you affect your own life.
See above.
>people enforce norms, sometimes duplicitously
Yes. Another obvious, everyday fact of human experience that is rarely apprehended to be a general principle
Yes, "sin" is a made up idea, designed to control and direct people. That is all.
Have you ever regretted staying up too late, or is the idea of regret a made up idea designed to control people?
Are you genuinely of the delusion that Christianity somehow invented these “traditional” values, when it originated as a revolutionary liberal cult in Rome used to rally the underclasses against the aristocracy, and when Stoicism, Epicureanism, Heroism, and Ancestor and Nature worship existed long beforehand?
Obviously the idea of people doing the wrong thing existed before Christianity.
>Have you ever regretted staying up too late
Are you mentally moronic? Regret has nothing to do with the idea of religious sin or it's theological implications.
The Bible isn't a list of rules, it's a description of reality. You don't need a comprehensive description of reality to understand that there is something called "sin" which I have described. That you have been misled into thinking that the Bible is something like a legal contract is a consequence of the original sin you have been born into, and how those around you failed to educate you properly.
>The Bible isn't a list of rules
Yes, a text that has a central feature of something called the LAW, of which a significant fixture is a series of rules LITERALLY inscribed on stone tablets is not about a bunch of rules. The New Testament and Paul are controversial specifically because they're about CHANGING the rules that existed before.
Yes, it's a list of rules.
I mean, you've given the obvious response, but you might be reminded that the first mention of the word sin in the bible is not in relation to any given rule.
Genesis 4:7
If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.
What? "Sin" was used as a word in the Old Testament, quite often.
"If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he hath sinned, a young bullock without blemish unto the LORD for a sin offering."
Leviticus 4:3
I didn't contradict that. I said this was the first mention. And this, I remind you, in response to the suggestion that "sin" is the failure to heed some given law. This is the whole point of the discussion.
Nevermind, I completely misread your post. Regardless, your argument still doesn't track at all with the Old Testament, because that passage is directly after Cain gets angry that God likes Abel's sacrifice more, literally breaking the expected response. It also is with regards to Cain failing to give God what he wanted. It has nothing to do with some airy notion of regret, or however you're trying to put it. Cain was warned about "sinning" (which he later did by pissing off God and killing Abel) because he DIDN'T do what he was supposed to.
You might contemplate why God would suggest that "if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door".
Yes, because not doing what God wants is sin. The people who write what God "said", are the people who control what sin is. I'm glad we finally got back to the point.
It has nothing to do with reality. It’s justificationary semitic scriptural mysticism in the long line of semitic works of the same nature. The European tradition is testimony, empiricism, truth, and rule of law.
At some point, if you claim "truth" as an ideal, you'll have to contend with the reality of the Christian history of Europe, and not contemptuously dismiss it
Europe was Pagan and philosophical long before Judaism or its splinter cults.
You seem to have a problem with extremely simple epistemological concepts like falsifiability.
falsifiability is not that simple. If you have a theory that you think has been disproven by some observation, then maybe you've just misinterpreted the observation, and so on.
not that this has anything to do with my exposition of sin, which a young child would be able to understand.
No it’s very simple. And abrahamism is very simple - it’s an advanced method of lying used to justify absolution of responsibility by denial of the physical, natural, and evolutionary laws of the universe. There’s no difference between it and any other of the long line of israeli colonalialist factions (Abrahamism -> Marxism -> Postmodernism -> Climate Alarmism -> Wokeism).