On the day of Pope Francis' birthday, and a day before 'Fiducia Supplicans' declaration, lightning struck the statue of St.Peter in Buenos Aires' basilica (his previous diocese). The lightning ended up removing the halo and the keys from St.Peter's statue.
Is this a sign? What's our response, fellow Caths?
yeah thats cool
>About 100 lightning bolts strike the Earth's surface every second That's about 8 million per day and 3 billion each year.
Absolutely schizo
Trad Catholics: “Protestants and dissident Eastern Christians must submit to the Keys of Peter held by the Pope in order to be in the holy Church of God”
Also Trad Catholics: “Lmao look at how God literally blew up the Keys of Peter here in order to own our dumb evil Pope
Yeah, the Pope is the greatest authority, but he has limits. What part of that don't you understand? It's not that hard
The papacy does not have limits that is literally their claim. It’s hilarious when papists are suddenly not trad when it comes to traditional teaching on the papacy by a trad pope.
[W]hen one loves the Pope, one does not say that he did not speak clearly enough… his orders are not questioned... the field in which he can and must exercise his authority is not limited"
~ Pope Saint Pius X, 1912
>For the Holy Spirit was promised to the successors of Peter not so that they might, by his revelation, make known some new doctrine, but that, by his assistance, they might religiously guard and faithfully expound the revelation or deposit of faith transmitted by the apostles.
There were even Popes in the past who were judged not to be legitimate Popes.
Funny how you quote Popes, though. They live rent free in your head apparently. Is that a love-hate thing? lmao
So you’re just going to reject Vatican councils? Cool bro.
I literally just quoted Vatican I kek
I can quote Vatican I too in the third chapter of the fourth session
So, then, if anyone says that the Roman Pontiff has merely an office of supervision and guidance, and not the full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the whole Church, and this not only in matters of faith and morals, but also in those which concern the discipline and government of the Church dispersed throughout the whole world; or that he has only the principal part, but not the absolute fullness, of this supreme power; or that this power of his is not ordinary and immediate both over all and each of the Churches and over all and each of the pastors and faithful: let him be anathema.”
In the same chapter the council states: “the Roman Church possesses a pre-eminence of ordinary power over every other Church, and that this jurisdictional power of the Roman Pontiff is both episcopal and immediate. Both clergy and faithful, of whatever rite and dignity, both singly and collectively, are bound to submit to this power by the duty of hierarchical subordination and true obedience, and this not only in matters concerning faith and morals, but also in those which regard the discipline and government of the Church throughout the world.”
Now read both together, and you can conclude the Pope has limits
Seriously, who the hell taught you protties to read? If you applied this kind of interpretation """technique""" to tests, you would fail, idiots
No. You can’t resist the pope and be a traditional Catholic. He has no limit and you must submit to him. Vatican II’s Lumen Gentium 25 requires submission of the laity’s mind & will with reverence and sincere adherence to the pope’s documents, doctrinal teachings, and speeches, even if the pope is not speaking ex cathedra.
Some people have taken the approach that Bergoglio is pope of another church and has no jurisdiction at all and that it's up to their clergy outside of the Vatican to elect their own pope. Basically, that God transferred the power from Rome to them and they are the remnant Catholics. Is this compatible with Catholic theology to you?
No
Pathetic attempt at bait
Peter lied 3 times about knowing jesus.
>Lighting strikes St.Peter, on Pope Francis' Birthday
Big if true. So is there a trustworthy source?
Only a Christisraelite would be dumb enough to believe this shit
God sends vandals too, but lightning is way more Jovian and epic! Give me one reason to believe it wasn’t a Hispanic with a hammer.
Lmao is this really trads fighting other Catholics? I thought OP was an Orthodox shit stirrer or something
So lets get this straight. God could have done something like this in St. Peter's square on the day of. He could have sent a dream to every one of his bishops to denounce this. He could have appeared to Francis and ordered him not to release the document.
Instead he struck a statue, in a city the Pope is not in, on the day before, in a move unlikely to put the breaks on Francis's reforms or alert the majority of the faithful or bishops that something is terribly wrong.
Did I get that right?