Legitimately confused about this point, in Christianity Jesus is born of God and is the Seal of the Prophets. In Islam Muhammed is the Seal of the Prophets but is not the son of Allah, he is not Divine but Divinely inspired. Why then do Muslims get so mad if Muhammed is depicted in art, he is not their god, but a man spreading supposed Divine truth. I would understand more if Christians killed people posting pictures of Christ getting raped by a goat as he is supposed to be apart of the Christian God i.e., the Trinity. I have a tenuous grasp on the differences between the specific rules of the religions. I do know however in Islam making art of anything that isn't geometric patterns or something like that is seen as idolatry. My question is, when people draw Muhammed and get killed, isn't the Muslim response a form of idolatry since they don't kill people drawing a random dog but lose their shit if you draw a prophet born of man? I want this explained by a Muslim bro. For context one of the reasons I'm drawn to Protestantism, is the rejection of idolatry the Catholic Church instilled. Praying to saints, and the Pope are strange idolatrous concepts to me. Is there a specific verse in the Quran that says drawing Mohammed is worse than drawing a woman?
Malachi was the seal of the prophets to both eastern christians and israelites
>Zechariah was the last of the prophets; but the more commonly received opinion, and the truest, is, that Malachi was the last;
>hence Aben Ezra calls him "the end of the prophets"; and by Kimchi he is said to be "the last of them"; and sometimes, by the Rabbins, “the seal of the prophets" by whom they are all sealed up, concluded, and finished.
>His name signifies "my angel" or “my messenger”, as is commonly said; though Hillerus makes it to signify "the angel of the Lord";
>hence some have thought that he was not a man, but an angel; and so the Septuagint render in the first verse Mal 1:1,"by the hand of his angel"
so you are wrong immediately and I am not reading the rest of your post, its arab gobbledyasiatic
I'm confused by this post, in all of Orthodox Christianity Jesus is seen as the Seal of the Prophets, there were a lot of prophets in the old testament that said some strange things that never happened. You honestly sound israeli and I'm not looking for your opinion on this issue. I want to hear from Muslims.
No one in Christianity ever said Jesus was “the seal of the prophets” learn to read dumb sand orphan
Upon further reading you are correct, it just seems like a fitting term as it means the last prophet within a certain religion. I read the term while reading about Muhammed and thought is sounded cool, it is an exclusively Muslim term, but seems to apply to other religions. The argument I am now starting to understand that you are making is that Jesus was the object of the prophesies and not a prophet himself which seems to be a strange claim. Also John is a recognized prophet that post dates Malachi.
>is an exclusively Muslim term
please read my first response to you. I quoted israelites calling malachi the seal, and posted a picture of a christian sect saying it as well. it is not a Muslim concept, it is a israeli and eastern christian term they adopted and corrupted. I’m not even saying it to be polemical, it is simply objectively true and demonstrable
If Jesus was the seal of prophet then why didn't the NT ended with his ascension? Who was St Paul? What went down in Rome?
no one except OP ever said he was “seal of the prophets” they said that about malachi
who was going to explain to the learned israelites what happened aside from one of the most learned israelites?
Jesus blinded paul
the christian laying on of hands gave him back his sight
paul, as a israelite who was given sight by the risen Lord unraveled the veiled old testament
now go and worship the precious stone you memeflagged child of satan
Jesus died on the cross but he forgot to tell everyone he died for our sins so he appeared to Paul in a dream lol ok
learn to do better taqiyya and then i will tend to you
like what ? which things never happened?
ok but john the baptist was the last prophet
I was being lazy and could have looked this up myself, apparently it never specifically says drawing him is worse than drawing any other living creature, I don't get the specific anger. Abraham was a prophet in that religion too, and I've never heard of anybody getting shot over drawing him.
1. Depicting any prophet eventually leads to idolatry.
2. Insulting the Prophet(S) is insulting our entire way of life.
But don't you see the theological contradiction? If you freak out about a picture of Mohamed and not the picture of the whale, you are raising Mohamed up to a level dangerously close to idolatry. Also what is the correct spelling of his name, I've seen 3 different spellings. Same problem I have with the Catholic Church, it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible to pray to Saints. And the Pope thing is strange, somehow a vaguely divine human that is elected by humans.
How is smashing an idol promoting idolatry? If you create the most respectful drawing of the Prophet(S) in the world, I'd still destroy it.
muslims were drawing your prophet for centuries and you know it.
>no Arabs ever painted depictions of him tho!!
if this is your argument you are admitting you are an an inbred arab sandrat and should thusly be ignored. anyway, your prophet was a-ok with arab sandrat pagan idols and images of Mary and Jesus in the kabba, it’s in your soap opera hadith
>inb4 w-w-weak t-tradition
ibn ishaq, cope harder pissdrinker
He broke all of those idols. We'd break every idol in the world if it didn't offend people's sensibilities.
and he left jesus and Mary. and he had his own pagan idols until Gabriel came and told him to get rid of them, and the curtains with images on them. It’s in ibn-ishaq
He didn't have any pagan idols. The whole point of Islam from the beginning was to not have any idols. We're not talking about YHWH here. We're talking about God.
YHWH(The eternal) is just one of the many names for God. The God of Moses is our God
This is a common misconception from shilling the "Abrahamic faiths". YHWH is not our God, and is not mentioned in the Qur'an for a reason. YHWH specifically is the god of the israelites, their tribal patron.
>8 When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
>9 For YHWH's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.
>Jacob, in other words, Israel
You should take the Old testament at face value unless you can read Hebrew and the talmud
Here's a more Hebraized translation for you:
>8 When HaElyon divided to the Goyim their nachalah, when He separated the Bnei Adam, He set the gevulot (borders) of the people according to the number of the Bnei Yisroel.
>9 For Hashem’s chelek is His people; Ya’akov is the chevel (allotment) of His nachalah.
I'd recommend you to read a history of Yahwism. At least read the Wikipedia page.
>when it was the day of Mecca’s conquest, the Messenger of God entered the House of God [the Kaaba] and commanded that he be given a garment. He made it wet with water and commanded that the images inside the Kaaba be wiped out but he placed his hands on the image of Jesus and his mother and said: erase everything except for what is under my hands. Al-Azraqī narrated it.
before the kaaba was first destroyed you all bowed down in prostration to depictions of jesus and his mother in your kaaba, you can cope about it all you want, you’re a moronic sandBlack person and nothing you actually say matters anyway
In opposite world, maybe. Not in the reality we inhabit.
https://www.islamweb.net/en/fatwa/7032/hadeeth-on-removing-images-from-the-kabah
>m-m-muh imams say it’s weak!!!
cope harder, Bukhari excluded tens of thousands of hadith. look at the ones he decided to keep. can you imagine how moronic and INCONVENIENT the ones he got rid of were? you drink camel piss! next time send me something that doesn’t say PBUh and alhamdulliah every other word, the cult member shit is annoying to read
There are many collections of fabricated ahadith. The point of compiling ahadith is to have a record of both kinds, so we know what is true and what is false and we have a means through which we can verify either for ourselves.
Hashem is a placeholder for YHWH if you're not familiar with israeli customs.
Lol ok. Why did Allah make those of your wonderful ummah “fabricate” those hadith? if you ask me all of it sounds fabricated and you just picked and chose the ones you liked, which included the pissdrinking and the childfricking
>the prophet rescued us from our ignorance we don’t bury our daughters in sand anymore
>now we drink camel piss and frick 9 year olds
it’s just your nature. you are a savage people.
There are tens of thousands of narrators. If even 1% of those people were lying, we'd have hundreds of people making up stories.
The camel piss part is correct. He didn't drink it, but he recommended it mixed with camel milk to people with a stomachache. Camel milk has hydrating properties, and camel urine has antibacterial properties, so this remedy works.
Does this mean we should all drink camel piss? No, as we are obligated to follow the Prophet(S) only in matters of religious guidance. If he had an opinion on agriculture, for example, we are not obligated to follow it.
why did they fabricate those things and better yet why were there multiple hadiths from multiple individuals mentioning jesus and mary in the kabbah including ibn ishaq, they all lied? why did allah make them lie?
They lied for various reasons, mostly clout or to justify something sinful they were doing. It wasn't outright lying, just twisting the truth in subtle ways. No doubt, this happened everywhere for all teachers. Only we know who precisely said what, and thus a means of filtering fabrications from the truth.
The early biographers merely collected every single narration they could find. They didn't filter anything, as their only concern was collecting as much information as possible before it was lost to time. Filtering was done by later scholars, with historical criticism going on to this day, along with methodological disputes, e.g. Salafis tended in the past to rely only on the chain, though now they also engage in matn criticism, i.e. they also verify the content.
We'll never have a codified set of ahadith. And that's fine, as the Sunnah is only one source among many for the sharia, alongside scholarly consensus, analogy, juristic preference, public interest, inference, science/reason, and local custom.
why did multiple individuals including ibn isaq lie about jesus and mary in the kaaba
They weren't lies. They collected every narration they could find. There was always an ongoing tradition of historical criticism, and even self-criticism.
>The most widely discussed criticism of his sīra was that of his contemporary Mālik ibn Anas. Mālik rejected the stories of Muhammad and the israelites of Medina on the ground that they were taken solely based on accounts by sons of israeli converts. These same stories have also been denounced as "odd tales" (gharāʾib) later by ibn Hajar al-Asqalani. Mālik and others also thought that ibn Isḥāq exhibited Qadari tendencies, had a preference for Ali (Guillaume also found evidence of this, pp. xxii &xxiv), and relied too heavily on what were later called the Isrā'īlīyāt. Furthermore, early literary critics, like ibn Sallām al-Jumaḥī and ibn al-Nadīm, censured ibn Isḥāq for knowingly including forged poems in his biography, and for attributing poems to persons not known to have written any poetry. The 14th-century historian al-Dhahabī, using hadith terminology, noted that in addition to the forged (makdhūb) poetry, Ibn Isḥāq filled his sīra with many munqaṭiʿ (broken chain of narration) and munkar (suspect narrator) reports.
>Guillaume notices that Ibn Isḥāq frequently uses a number of expressions to convey his skepticism or caution. Beside a frequent note that only God knows whether a particular statement is true or not (p. xix), Guillaume suggests that Ibn Isḥāq deliberately substitutes the ordinary term "ḥaddathanī" (he narrated to me) by a word of suspicion "zaʿama" ("he alleged") to show his skepticism about certain traditions (p. xx).
why did several completely different people totally independent of each other write hadith about jesus and mary in the kaaba? they all independent made the same story up because why? for what purpose?
There are plenty of people saying the opposite, there are plenty of verses rebuking Christians for idolatry, there's no representation of either Mary(PBUH) or Jesus(PBUH) in the Ka'ba. This alone is enough to dismiss your claims.
But if you want to engage in isnad criticism, be my guest. Post the names of the transmitters with their biographies.
your denial of the trinity is your demise, hell awaits you and all your demonic hoards of mudslime morons
Hell is alienation from God. The trinity alienates one from God. The trinity leads to Hell. QED.
I did several times you could scroll up. I specifically asked you multiple times and I will ask again.
WHY did different individuals write about jesus and mary in the kaaba
HOW did they all come up with the same story
if it’s fake WHY did your moon god allah allow it
it’s very simple, please explain it specifically
Who are these people? Post the isnad with the biographies of the narrators.
As I've said, there seems to be no consistency to this supposed concept of idolatry
>No compulsion religion
It's not that hard. It makes sense to destroy idols surrounding the Kaaba since they're forever banned from that area. Law of retaliation
We don't want idols that honor him. We don't want idols that dishonor him. We don't want any idols at all.
When someone draws him, he's disrespecting our injunction against idolatry, specifically intending to insult our customs, the entire basis through which we love only God. They're effectively saying loving only God is not something we should do.
When someone draws him in a disrespectful manner, he's insulting our entire way of life, which is based on following the methodology of the Prophet(S) in awakening to the understanding of God as our only reality. He's trying to cut us off from God, our only love and only concern.
Islam curses idolatry so much they abuse the holy spirit in a way that god didn't intend for you to use. Islam is a rebellion against God
There is no holy spirit
only moronic self righteous buttholes
The holy spirit is the glue that keeps the almighty and his creations connected. Islam is denying the holy spirit. They will say there is only God and 1 God a million times. They have no holy spirit.
Go back to plebbit
The trinity is merely a collection of primitive notions of God, each of which we must overcome in order to attain to the understanding of God as our only reality.
God the Father is Sky Daddy, committing the sin of tashbih, the anthropomorphizing of God in an arbitrary manner, which allows kings and priests to intervene and manipulate our view of God and restrict our access to God.
God the Son is simple idol worship, where we project desirable qualities onto an idol while neglecting to internalize those qualities. It's praising someone highly precisely so one doesn't have to follow in their example. The greater the sinner, the greater their veneration of Jesus(PBUH), the less they actually live as he did.
God the Holy Spirit is engaging in the sin of ta'til, of divesting God of His attributes, cutting oneself off from gnosis, which lies in interiorizing the external world. It's this that leads to distortions in both the word and the spirit of the law. God becomes something within, rather than our only reality. Religion becomes a private matter, rather than an all-encompassing matter. The truth loses its importance, and its universality.
All of these are concepts you must leave behind if you wish to attain to the truth, if you love only God, and have Him as your only concern.
There is no God.
Only an evil hivemind of pieces of shit
There is no hivemind. We attain to the same truth if we seek sincerely only the truth. We protect each other in times of distress in order that we are not led astray. Islam is absolute theism, where God is our only concern, where we are united only in God.
you're united in being a moronic piece of shit
God of the covenants is the marker of our age. He must be discussed. Art of the Deal.
No.
You all have to die now.
none of this refutes that there is in fact a creator, a created, and a spirit that animates all of it.
There isn't. There is only God. Recognizing a reality apart from God was the first sin, and prostrating in repentance, returning to the recognition of God as our only reality, was the first act of worship.
The site of this prostration was the Ka'ba, and it's this prostration we commemorate in praying inside the Ka'ba. We render the entire world into a masjid, literally a place of prostration. The entire world becomes a house of worship devoted only to God, in which God forever remains our only reality,
>There is only God
no there isn't, there is creation too. God is above creation otherwise how could He talk to us, if we're all one reality? This si clearly nonsense,
The logical endpoint of your religion is 'all is one, everything is nothing' and the creator clearly didn't want that. He made us individuals. No wonder you act with a hive mind, to the extent you follow true Islam.
>otherwise how could He talk to us
you're either a cynical shyster or a daft midwit that hears voices, but doesn't see a doctor for it
It's understandable you can't conceive of another possibility, pattern recognition of higher IQs is quite literally beyond lower ones.
But you are not apart from reality, no more than animals are. What does Jesus(PBUH) breathing life into a clay bird symbolize? What reality does it point to? That it has been endowed with the Light of God, that they have attained to the status of angels, in understanding in absolute terms their role within reality and acting accordingly. Does that mean individual birds don't exist? They do exist, each carrying out their individual role.
Similarly, though there is no such thing as free will - what will come to pass has already been written, and we are all annihilated in an ultimate sense in the Face of God - we still have individual roles to perform within reality. We can truly perform these roles if we engage in tawhid, in bringing together reality as an inseparable whole. Anything else, and we miss life's purpose. We become alienated from reality, and our consciousness after death has nowhere to embed itself. It's permanently lost, condemned to a permanent state of suffering in Hell.
Animals can't sin.
Christianity recognises there is something wrong with us, something wrong with the world, it should be different otherwise we wouldn't feel a need for something better and we wouldn't sin. It's not all God, the creation has lots of different wills in it. He didn't make us to be one with Him, but to find agreement with Him as our own beings.
We are separate from the light of God here. We can reach glimpses of Him in states of grace, but we are separated as a rule.
Why can't animals sin? What is right with them that is wrong with us?
We have free will, AKA knowledge of the future / good and evil (hopes and fears cause us to act in error)
An animal just does its purpose instinctively because it's part of God. But we aren't. God wanted beings who could decide for themselves to love Him, necessarily after being separated, that's the only way to get real friends out of one original source I guess.
If it's our hopes and fears that cause us to act in error, what approach other than being illumined with the light of God, recognizing God as our only reality, can reveal to us our true selves?
In Islam, the Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Life are the same tree. What reality does this point to? That separation from God enables knowledge of God.
Demons are made of fire and angels of light. There is no light without fire. Both are effectively of the same substance. What's the difference? Angels know their place within reality, and act as custodians of reality, while demons refuse their place within reality, they refuse to bow to Adam(PBUH), and also to his descendants.
Thus, can free will guide us to the truth? No, it's the ultimate illusion, which you can free yourself of only through recognizing God as your only reality. Through saying لا اله الا الله - no god but God. This is why the world will not perish until there remains a single person saying لا اله الا الله. If we all stop recognizing God, reality loses its purpose. Hell - a permanent state of alienation from God - arrives on Earth.
>what approach other than being illumined with the light of God, recognizing God as our only reality
this just isn't possible. you can't do it all the time so what then? you're a human.
you need education that you're naturally going to act like a feral animal unless you're careful about things. Lacking this education I guess is why your people act like feral animals about things.
>In Islam, the Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Life are the same tree
yes, it's luciferianism. You essentially believe you can be fully enlightened in this life. We believe our only hope of salvation is Jesus' blood, a gift from God.
When have I denied education? All I've said is that knowledge must be seen as part of a greater reality, not taken in isolation. Science works when it sees reality as one. It falls apart when we begin to reify abstractions, usually with the use of dodgy statistics.
answer
give your theological reasoning why you need to 'fight' for your spiritual beliefs
An easy example is usury. We can't simply outlaw usury in our lands and call it a day. If usury is not outlawed always everywhere in every country, it will always reappear. Usury leads to a passive flow of money from the poor to the rich, and from rural areas to urban areas, meaning people in any country with usury will lose their autonomy. Once usurers achieve control over their countries, they will fight to impose usury in other lands. Thus, the only approach we can take is to fight until there is no more fitnah - trials and tribulations - in the land. Until all idols have been smashed and all that is known to take us away from God has been ground into dust.
sorry anon, you're homosexual
Usury is a satanic spirit. It seeks to enslave and ultimately to destroy. It is like a beast it will appear to sniff you out then quickly inhale you. Rabbinical Judaism extols the use of usury they claim is begotten by their tribal covenant with God. In other words, they consider it a holy spirit. But if it's a holy spirit that enslaves and destroys, normal people are going to suspect it's not so holy. Synagogue of Satan.
At last something we can agree on! I'd agree to fight usary with you if you'd agree not to smash our idols.
I agree but you said you want to kill people just because they don't agree with your idea of God. Seems like materialism not spirit.
>What does it mean to fight for God? It means to fight to preserve an authentic experience of the world
I don't think you're fighting for God when you fight usury. You're just fighting for your own material power, using your faith in God to sustain you. But God wouldn't forsake us if the whole world got under the control of usury (which our world has). I was raised in a country totally dominated by israelites and God still didn't forsake me, and I didn't have to kill anyone.
The true battle is spiritual, Islam seems to exist in the material world and prioritise power here.
they didnt eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
there is no morality. there is only asceticism. animals do not have the same souls we do. our soul is eternal. animal souls stop existing when they die.
Asceticism is self-defeating. For the ascetic who takes comfort in isolation, asceticism would be to struggle within the world, to align the world with God. This precisely is the point of jihad - to align all elements of reality with God. There is no higher asceticism, no greater struggle. To align oneself with God, with truth, is the basis of all morality.
isolation? no, we are out here every day working jobs and raising families in asceticism. i don't mean going to the desert in a cave. we're fighting against passions and keeping the liturgical lifestyle of the Church.
How is that asceticism? You're living a normal life and calling yourself an ascetic. You're neither struggling for God either within society or without society. Where's the part where you feel stress? Where's the sacrifice?
i guess you can pretend you know what asceticism is if you want. i explained to you about fighting against the passions, keeping your prayer rule, keeping the Church fasts (over 200 days), attending all Church services, participating in the Mysteries, eucharist, confession, alms giving etc. keeping a constant state of repentance and remembered of God. working out your salvation with your wife and children. you can't understand this.
So, you got to church and aren't a douche. How does that make you an ascetic?
Why'd you fight against evil only internally? Destroy evil and whatever leads to evil.
right. this is the ascetical life Christ calls us to live. living in a cave is only for very few monastics.
But Christ(PBUH) himself fought actively against corruption. Why'd you passively stand by while usury, idolatry, despotism, fornication, intoxication, and idle talks all take root in your society?
Because God instructs the Christians to behave accordingly with scripture. Faith, Hope, and Charity. Not musclebound enforcement and slaughter.
The bible warns against asceticism. God teaches us to be fruitful but to reject the passions of the flesh. To live a balanced lifestyle.
we're not here to change the world. we are here to work out our salvation. the point is to acquire the Holy Spirit by living an ascetical life through repentance and struggling to follow God's law.
you are transgendered yeast
>the point of jihad - to align all elements of reality with God.
how can having slaves, fricking kids and running a mafia that demands protection money (jizya) possibly have anything to do with god?
if the quran is eternally from allah, why does it change according to who mohimid wanted to frick?
>possibly have anything to do with god?
because it's how they feel in the moment, and that means if they just embrace that feeling they're 'one with God' . Like Buddhism it's grandiose but actually spiritually pretty empty.
Slaves are POWs, usually old elites who were kept under the guardianship of a Muslim, carrying out their own roles under Muslim supervision, until they could be trusted to carry out their roles as autonomous individuals.
Betrothal before puberty and consummation after puberty was the historical norm. And it will return to being the historical norm once usury is eliminated, once you work only for yourself, your family, and your community.
Jizya is to fund the military. If you participate in the military, you are exempt from the jizya. This year, your jizya would have been 2000 AUD (1350 USD), even with inflated MIC expenditures. This is also the only tax you have to pay.
slaves are taken in war, and the muslim slave trade still goes on today. your prophet fricked a 9 year old, pedophile should of been executed. and funding military is a joke, every one submit and become a muslim or pay the mafia moeny for protection.
your logic fails at every level. cherist came to set the captives free, never fricked kids, and never extorted money through terror.
islam is a sickness in this world, and it is amazing watching people justify it. literal demons spouting demonic deception
>cherist came to set the captives free
not according to paul
>Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
slavery is in the OT, and Jesus never condemned it
Non-combatants cannot be made into slaves. And free people cannot be enslaved. Slavery is specifically for those in the former establishment who would be threats to the new establishment. They are to be treated as equals, assimilated into Muslim society (which doesn't necessarily mean becoming Muslim), should regularly be freed as a form of charity, and should be given some opportunity of earning their own freedom if they're no longer a threat. It's far more humane than what happens to modern POWs. Our slaves became scholars, kings, and generals. They're not locked up in prisons and left to rot.
I doubt you disagree with marriage or having a military, so I'm only responding to the slave part.
Slaves are automatically considered asnaf aren't they? Meaning they're eligible for zakat and are exempt from taxes. Bring back slavery
>Non-combatants
every one who is not muslim, that is why you wage jihad, to make every one submit.
your words are empty when judged against their foundation
All peasants are non-combatants. Only active combatants are combatants.
I can't smash religious idols of the People of the Book. You'll have to do that on your own.
The idols I can smash are mental idols - reified abstractions taken as apart from God.
But we're not imposing our religion on others. We're simply abolishing usury. If you abolish usury on your own, and establish a treaty of friendship with us, you are effectively considered part of Dar al-Islam.
You can still cling on to your religion because usurers still don't have total control over your country. Once they achieve this, there will be no religion in the land. Religion will become subordinated to profits, and a rival center of power usurers cannot allow.
Why wait for that to happen? Why not struggle constantly in the cause of God? Why not declare eternal jihad on those who spread corruption in the land?
Why do Christians have law enforcement or a military all you need is faith, hope, and charity?
>All peasants are non-combatants
so they dont need to submit to allah?
your full of shit, and every one who is not muslim is fair game in jihad.
your prophet declaired war on the world until the global caliphate comes.
you are full of shit and a deceiver like your prophet the pedophile
The purpose of military jihad is dawah.
>He who fights to raise the word of Allah is in the way of Allah.
Before one goes off to war, one must purify oneself.
>Jihad of the soul against desire is the foundation of jihad against unbelievers and hypocrites, for a Muslim cannot wage jihad against them unless he has first waged jihad against his soul and desires before he goes out against them.
Jihad cannot be for any other purpose.
>It means according to his intention. If it is purely to raise the word of Allah, then that is the true soldier in the way of Allah. If his intention involves the love of wealth and this world, or to earn fame, then he has associated the world as a partner with the way of Allah.
It can be to defend oneself.
>Permission to fight is given to those being attacked, for they have been wronged. Surely, Allah is powerful to support them, those who have been driven from their homes only for saying, ‘Our Lord is Allah!’ If Allah did not defend people by means of others, the monasteries, the churches, the synagogues, and the mosques, in which the name of Allah is repeatedly invoked, would have been torn down.
It can be to defend others.
>What is the matter with you that you do not fight in the way of Allah and for the oppressed men, women, and children who say, ‘Our Lord, deliver us from this city of evildoers, and send an ally to us from You, and send a supporter to us from You?
Jihad cannot be unprovoked.
>Verily, the worst of people in insolence are those who strike at whoever did not strike them, a man who kills those who did not fight him, and a man who claims allegiance to those other than his rightful benefactors. Whoever does so has disbelieved in Allah and His Messenger. Allah will not accept his obligatory or voluntary deeds.
>Jihad cannot be unprovoked.
didn't your marauding pedophile sex cult leader attack a "prosperous" village because he "believed" they're going to attack him first?
hmm? enemy of humanity piece of shit?
Christians don't have a military. Nations do. Render unto Caesar what is Caesars.
So, Christians in the military belong to Caesar and not to God, i.e. they are apostates?
To be honest i'm not quite sure. I think the Bible states that Christians are to beat their swords into plowshares. So it is of Christian men to disavow their warrior past. This is in line with the maturation of the doctrine.
How can you have a law without law enforcement? You're abolishing both the letter and the spirit of the law. This isn't even anarchism. It's selling yourself into slavery and hoping things turn out alright.
hey buddy
want some mercy?
prophecy=/=commandment
all fighting is done by fools, unless you're at armageddon there is no need. God will not send anyone to kill you unless you abandon Him first.
WHY HAS NO ONE PUSHED YOU INTO A BOG UNDER A homosexual
because I am protected from all harms except that which I can do to myself 🙂
christians walk in a thick mist of evil
and yet, you are the childless lonely freak.
you touch kids inappropriately homo
The society that statue man is describing is not worth fighting for according to Christian doctrine. This is evolutionary adaptive imo.
>Once they achieve this, there will be no religion in the land
false. Actually the soviet union never eradicated Christianity despite having total control. Because material power is totally irrelevant. You actually agree with the userers in that you see material control as so vital.
Religion is in your head, between you and God.
>Why not struggle constantly in the cause of God?
We do, we struggle against higher spiritual powers within ourselves to be worthy of God's help, because money and material power is irrelevant. They will never hold power over the faithful it's impossible.
The USSR was controlled through despotism, not usury. People know to oppose despotism. Usury subverts your lived reality. Usury - especially modern usury - implies a total control over your life. Usurers control what you eat, what you read, what you watch, what and who you work for, what you're allowed to say, and ultimately, what you're allowed to believe.
Sure, you can say that you can retreat to the mountains or the forest and set yourself up as pious before God. But the vast majority of people will still lose their religion. What effectively are you preserving by doing nothing? You're merely saying that Christianity should have died with Christ(PBUH).
>muh usury
>muh usury
>muh usury
>bro you literally substituted the sinless Jesus Christ who fulfilled the prophecies of Messiah who is God with a marauding pedophile sex cult leader whose sole contribution has been when to get away with breaking the ten commandments and bowing unto a precious stone
>muh usury
>muh usury
>muh usury
accursed laborer of satan
How is Jesus sinless if he came from the line of David? and we know what the Bible says about David. Check mate original sin apologists
doesn't your q'ringe say Jesus is sinless, you isssleeeemic miracle?
He is, but not through the copes and mental gymnastics you're peddling. He is sinless because Allah chose him, irrelevant of his bloodline and colour of skin, except what is already promised in His covenant with the Israelites
>substitutes the sinless Jesus with a marauding pedophile sex cult leader who ordered him to bow unto the stone he kissed or else he can't even be a mooslim
>talks about mental gymnastics
are you one of the miracles of issssleeeeeeeem?
there are two jesuses. one of david and one from nazareth
the one of david is king and the one from nazareth is nailed on a tree
Where does this claim come from? Are you referring to Elijah? Pretty sure in Jeremiah the saviour of the israelites comes from David
ohhh, now a frogposting moron comes along with his entirely unscriptural moronation and you're so interested
you people deserve every bit of fire you are well on your way to be getting
>you can say that you can retreat to the mountains or the forest
don't have to.
your whole mindset is about material world power, I don't think you're capable of accessing a higher level of thought here. Your fears will never come to pass for us because userers aren't granted power over God's people. Go an fight a war over it I guess, your fears leading you to murder innocents along the way of course.
You're abandoning the material world entirely, and leaving it to Satan to rule. If that's what you intend to do, at least have the decency to retreat to the forest, rather than actively aiding in the cause of Satan. If you won't fight for God, at least don't fight for Satan.
We can't negate reality. We have to affirm all of reality and understand our purpose in it as aligning it with God. If you want to refuse the call of God, if you want to refuse the call of the Creator, why participate at all in His creation?
>leaving it to Satan to rule
He did already from the start, any war you can fight will only increase his power. God doesn't need us to fight for him, this world is a spiritual test for us.
>If you want to refuse the call of God
we will fight at armageddon and not before. Also, I do not refuse His call because I fight spiritual powers to serve Him daily.
Why would wars you win increase Satan's power? If you abolish usury in the US, how would it increase Satan's power in the US?
you could only win the war through Satan's power. Or do you think seeing human beings being blown apart is God's will ?
>how would it increase Satan's power in the US
I guess technically it wouldn't, his power would be the same before and after. Total.
If Satan's control over the material world is total, then why participate at all in the material world?
If you're saying creation itself is fundamentally evil, what does that say about the Creator?
How will fighting usury serve usurers? Are you saying, regardless of what we do, evil will win?
>Are you saying, regardless of what we do, evil will win?
why are issssleeeeeemic nations shitholes?
They aren't shitholes. They vary in quality depending on their level of engagement with globalism, with the powers of usury.
mhm
i am the last prophet of allah, what do you have to say about that?
>what does that say about the Creator?
He wants spiritual warriors.
>why participate at all in the material world?
I don't
What's a "spiritual warrior"? What precisely are you fighting against?
How can you have a material being and not participate in the material world?
We fight against evil spirits and principles in high places. Such as fear, lust, pride, etc. God is slowly proving Satan wrong and we are supposed to become part of that proof.
>How can you have a material being and not participate in the material world?
'the world' means mostly the human world. There's not much evil in growing a potato. Except there is suffering, temptation to be lazy and not bother etc.
It's not some abstract theory. Bigger crueler more evil groups acquire more power. That's why Islam will win in the end, because it follows the ruler of this world, Satan.
How are you going to fight usury? With weapons, where are you going to get these weapons? You are going to play ball with Satan in order to satiate a fleeting moment of bloodlust before you get droned.
Islam rejects the covenant that forgives their sins. For that you will incur the wrath. The wrath of a drone grenade because you let Satan win over you. Is it really that hard for you to understand?
they worship satan
so satan smites them with one hand
and have the other hand deliver isssleeeeem into the nations and legislate against isssleeeeeem getting scrutinized
globohomosexual who is satan
he can't refute it
just ask him to refute it he can't do it
>they worship satan
no. according to the bible satan is White people
>no
i am the last prophet of allah
do you understand?
i disagree with Black person magic from west asia
You clearly mean the Talmud
the bible is all the west asian Black person magic
Fighting doesn't mean being a dumb brute. You can apply your intelligence to your struggle, and struggle at whatever level you are capable. As long as you don't abandon the struggle, as long as you continue to hold God as your ultimate concern, it doesn't matter.
Defense can be coordinated by a central body for scale. Scale is unnecessary for any other end.
Any place where you pray is a mosque. "Masjid" literally means "place of prostration". The whole world is a masjid, a place of repentance.
But you're not growing a potato for yourself. In a society with usury, you're always working for someone else.
you just can't get out of your material worldview sorry. God is not the world around you IMO
If you want to negate the world, why are you not simply a Buddhist? You seem more like a Buddhist than a Christian.
Buddhism is incredibly shallow, why would I think the answer to theology is to just sit outside my shack musing on my own egotistical understanding?
God's forgiveness and salvation through Christ is our only hope, we can't save our souls through works. It's all a gift.
You could literally live forever if you never sinned and kept the law perfectly, however it's not possible here so we all die. We need God's grace for any hope of eternity
So, you prefer Christianity because you want an Afterlife. Why do you want an Afterlife?
>i don't understand why you'd wanna live forever
why should you understand it? you are not like him, slave of satan
I don't want to live forever. I want God to live forever.
>o satan, live forever
why do you keep making statements with the assumption that it would be a revelation for me?
That is the Islamic Afterlife. Only the Face of God - His transcendent attributes - will remain.
is this why you wanna live forever barraddarr?
you don't wanna look at satan your god in the face barraddarr?
not very isssssleeeeeeeeemic if you ask-ked me barraddarr
But only the Face of God will remain.
lmao, why?
>thus saith the marauding pedophile sex cult leader
oh well it's settled then
Have you read the Koran in arabic?
>have you hurkad in the durka, barraddarr?
you are not getting paid enough to pull this taqiyya on me
barraddarrr
Takeyya in the end IS Not lying or deception.. it's simple dissimulation.
mooslim moment
I dont think takeyya js a Word invented by the First Moslems. IT has the root t-q-w. A pure arabic root verb. What jt means i do Not know yet.
If I know this world is broken, if I can't accept its cruelty, if I know I am broken and corrupted and I can't accept my own behaviour, then the only explanation for this is that my soul is from somewhere better. Otherwise how does my 'observer' know better if it's never seen better?
Otherwise I would be an npc animal just accepting the world around me as is and adapting perfectly to it by instinct. Maybe even worshipping it like Muslims apparently do.
If Jesus didn't rise again then we're all completely doomed. I don't believe we are though. God is great.
You're accepting the first three Noble Truths of Buddhism. That life is suffering, that desire is the cause of suffering, that there is a possibility of an end to suffering. You only disagree with them in the last truth - that there is a path to end to suffering, through renouncing one's desires. Instead of focusing completely on renouncing your desires, you're positing another realm in which all your desires are good. Why hang on to this desire? How is it more sensible than nibbana? Why not abandon this too, recognize that form is emptiness, and that emptiness is form, and become a liberated being?
In short, why extrapolate Heaven out of nowhere rather than simply seeking an end to suffering?
>God's forgiveness
if your god was real it wouldn't peddle mercy
>muh great satane
>...keeps flooding the nations with mooslims..?
>erm, that...is...because...
>those mooslims are kuffari!
>haha i knew i had it!
>adjusts memeflag
My ideal is the Islamic ideal. That of autonomous communities looking after their own needs, trading only through direct barter, with the family as the sovereign unit of society. No government should exceed the level of a Friday mosque. We specifically are instructed to have a single Friday mosque for each community for this reason.
is there any other kind of mosque?
so your ideal
has the memesques around
preaching the marauding pedophile sex cult leader
who has given you the
break the 10 commandment pass
as long as you're
lying thieving and murdering
to further his goal of scorched earth conquest
on all those who wouldn't bow unto the precious stone
here, i just ended your life's work, again,
what are you doing barraddarrr
you spend hours lying for satan posting 50 times barraddarrr
rasoooooooooooooool
one cursory look at the islamic part of the world tells even the blind that you're lying like a turd on a hot parking lot behind a kebab shop
The people promoting Christianity have the mindset of the scribes and Pharisees Jesus warned about, how could this happen? You hate poor ppl, with the exception of those who actually live by Jesus' standards most of you are just larpers, same could be said about the islamic larpers
You are describing a place that is both a shithole and which gets continually bombed by minions of Satan.
Satan has dominion over this earth. Usury is the international standard. Wanting to 'fight' will only serve his agents and nothing more. Once again demonstrating the inherent superiority of Christian doctrine over Islamic.
>What effectively are you preserving
my soul.
you seem to think you have to win worldly power for God for some reason, I guess if you can't win enough gunfights you'll be lost and enslaved? you are wrong.
you're fighting over this world. seems faithless to me.
>Our slaves became scholars, kings, and generals.
what a load of shit, millions of slaves suffer at the hands of muslim pedophile rapists
>we are all annihilated in an ultimate sense in the Face of God
speak for yourself, silly Black person
If the Holy Spirit is merely "glue", then it's also part of reality. There's no reason to recognize it as separate from reality. Or to revere it as God.
The holy spirit is what connects the faithful to God in a world of sin. The reason why you regard it as separate is because there exists a world of sin. You are denying there is a world of sin because you believe there is literally 1 god, only this god(the father).
if your god was real it wouldn't peddle mercy
the pope thing is wrong and heresy. asking Saints for their intercession is in the Bible.
mohammed had a "revelation" to have believing women (marital status undeclared) submit themselves to him sexually
mohammed had a "revelation" to have his adopted son part with his wife so that he can have her because she was so hot
mohammed had a "revelation" to send one of his wives away to her father's house so that he can bang one of his ass slaves on her bed
mohammed sanctioned "mutah marriages" even with women who had living husbands
mohammed "thighed" a child between the ages of 6-9 until he raped the child despite unlimited wives and ass slaves he can take and keep
mohammed, the marauder, was to be given the best part of the fifth of all plunder and you had to pay him to talk to him
mohammed was poisoned by a israelite woman despite declaring to her "allah would never let you!" and is on record having said multiple times (towards the effect of the poison) how it was "as if his aorta was severed", this is after he's declared (if he was) a false prophet "they"(angels) would sever his aorta
thank you for making this thread so that others would know all this information from the q'ringe
>41 posts by this ID
you are pathetic, you basically live here because you get paid to lie and you can't even do a good job of it
here i obliterated your life's work with a single post
devil worshipper
We have good news for you
But the Qur'an is oral literature. The symbols represent the sounds of the Qur'an. Sounds don't have a material form. Nor does language impose a definite form on God, thus negating God, or limit God through the mediation of priests and kings.
So are icons, they tell a story, they are a language.
No, they don't. They draw you away from reality. They are considered a reality unto themselves. This is not the case with language. Language forces you to engage with the world. Idols only require that you engage with the idols themselves.
They are icons (pictures), not idols, these letters you are seeing right now are also pictures, how does a detailed picture draw you away from reality more than a typographic one?
Because with idols, you engage with the idol. You seek the light of God within the idol itself. With language, you listen, and you obey. You engage with the world. With only language and no idols, you affirm the world in absolute terms.
So by that logic seeing a picture with your eyes and processing it with your brain is idolatry?
That's the first way you engage with the world and then you use speech and language - you reason with it - to understand and reaffirm it, one can't exist without the other.
And in the case of the scriptures we get God's reasoning, thus if those pictures are expressing God's reasoning then they won't lead you astray more than any other medium.
But a picture cannot represent God's reasoning. An idol/image represents a reality taken apart from God. You interpret words by engaging with the world. You can interpret a picture only by engaging with the picture. Ultimately, engagement with the image takes precedence over engaging with the world.
How do you think idolatry works? Why do you think the Christian dude I was replying to was concerned with worshipping Christ(PBUH) in his head rather than following his example in reality? Where does this passive attitude toward the world, this refusal to engage with the world, come from?
I still can't see how a picture can't serve the same purpose as a sentence.
If i write "the bird is flying" and complement it with a picture of a bird flying how is that a different kind of message and engagement?
Even in this trivial example, "The bird is flying." is an instruction for you to look at a real-life bird. It's drawing your attention to reality. An idol/image would instead have you look at the idol/image of the bird instead. It would draw your attention away from reality.
Essentially, you think written language is the equivalent of images. But they're not. Written languages perfectly represent sounds, which are themselves immaterial forms drawing us to reality. Idols represent living beings, which are taken as material forms apart from reality.
What you're talking about is imaginative consciousness. Which is indeed how we see the world.
whoops,
right back into it
come on now you're on the clock
barraddarr
Ok you say you are angry because this Guy Here speaks in Religion but Tell me Brother, did you wash your cheeks and elbows? Hm? I did. Feels good. I bet you didnt even wash your cheeks and elbow and hands.
I dont think this IS right. Someone WHO obeys an Idol does Not want or seek the Word, light, and knowledge of god, i think.
They don't seek knowledge because the idol itself represents knowledge. ويجعلون لله ما يكرهون وتصف ألسنتهم الكذب أن لهم الحسنى لا جرم أن لهم النار وأنهم مفرطون.
Translation:
>As it is, they ascribe to God something that they [themselves] dislike - and [all the while] their tongues utter the lie that [by doing so] they earn supreme merit! Truly, they earn but the fire, and will be left out [of God's grace]!
what do you seek from the precious stone when you can't even be a mooslim without it baraddar
ameeeeen?
>I can't read it therefore it is satanic
>It is impossible for me to understand a God I cannot see
>Therefore I should be allowed to venerate an idol that resembles nothing like Him
Maybe there is something to this original sin theory (none)
You can indeed See god, can you See the Hair brush that you brush your Hair with? No. Because it's Not in your Hand. You cant perceptibly grasp IT. But think of a Hair brush. Now, did you See the Hair brush? Yes. You Just saw a Hair brush. In your mind. Just aß that, you can See good in your mind. Light full of solace and peace. (In my own Personal opinion, alhamdulillah)
wow, the hair brush barraddar
is a mooslim
and the hair barraddar
is a miracle of issssssssleeeeeeeeeem
>Maybe there is something to this original sin theory (none)
There is a relation, after the fall it became evident that man can't stay on the right path without teaching and guidance which before the fall there was none of those, there was just unconditional obedience and disobedience which didn't end well.
So it wasn't about "I can't read it therefore it is satanic" but more like "I can't understand it, what are they hiding from me?".
if anyone starts idolizing a book, treating it as a god and confusing their children, all three abrahamic religions would have a problem with that.
clearly there's more risk of people idolozing statues and images, maybe you should consider why this is. we have thousands of years of proof that written words don't pose the same risk of idolatry developing over time as that posed by graven images.
>Qu'ran (3:54) Then they schemed (against the Messiah), and Allah countered their schemes by schemes of His own. Allah is the best of schemers.
Because Mohammed was a liar, a huge fricking liar.
Look, Allah is perfect, divine, honest, all forgiving, why would such a perfect being participate in pussy tactics?
Allah isn't allah according to Mohammed, whom, may i remind you, had icons of Jesus and Mary in the Kaaba, to which he would pray.
>inb4 if Mohammed prayed to Jesus and Mary then this means this is Christianity
Yes and no. It's an *EXTREMELY* heretical church of Christianity.
It's like Mormonism but with even worse science fiction
So, just rest easy knowing there's 1.6 billion people worshipping a self admitted deceiver, who's prophet didn't even oray to him.
Forgot to add this, but there's also the fact that Mohammed actually confessed
>SOMETHING
On his death bed
And after he confessed, the last witness to have heard him called Mohammed
>an old ill man.
Dude most likely admitted that he lied to millions just to gain political power
The last words of the Prophet(S) were اللهم الرفيق الأعلى. It has a lot of connotations in Arabic that doesn't carry over into English. A common translation is, "To union with you, O God. My most intimate friend."
But it goes deeper than that. It's referring to God as the transcendent source of all love, kindness, and mercy. And it's a reference to the last revealed surah, where even after our final victory, we are instructed to not celebrate our achievements, to hold God above ourselves, as our ultimate concern and our only reality.
Here's a more accurate translation of the verse:
>And the disbelievers made a plan ˹against Jesus˺, but Allah also planned—and Allah is the best of planners.
It's referring to the idea that those who seek to deceive God deceive only themselves.
>Allah is perfect, divine, honest, all forgiving
merciful gods sanction evil
Mercy is in allowing us to attain to the truth. Only the knowledge of God is good. There is no other good, no other concern. There is a specific mercy pervading all of creation that allows all of us to subsist in the truth, and there is a specific mercy available only to those who seek only the knowledge of God, i.e. to Muslims. Thus, mercy is to be seen as the capacity for gnosis, to illumine ourselves from the lamp of our hearts - our imaginative consciousness interiorizing all of reality - with the Light of God.
you're assigning human traits to your god because you're phoney, an impostor, a cynical blockhead, a degenerate shyster, a filthy homosexual that i have not yet pushed into a bog under a homosexual
How is it a human trait? Similarity of the names does not indicate similarity of the named. This is called tawhid al-asma was-sifat, a principle every Muslim child is familiar with.
>How is it a human trait?
what would a real god peddle mercy for?
But this mercy isn't the mercy you're thinking of. God's mercy is not the same as human mercy. The Names of God are the attributes through which we can approach God. Mercy in Islam this context applies to two different concepts, one being a general abiding of creation in God's laws, and the second being a specific revelation of truth to a believer in an exponential manner. How are these at all human traits?
They're specifically not human traits. You can't call another person by these names. We can only be beholden to the attributes of God. We can only be 'Abd ar-Rahman or 'Abd ar-Rahim. We can't ourselves bear the names of God.
>But this mercy isn't the mercy you're thinking of.
"these words are not what you think they are anon"
But they aren't. They're translations of Arabic words reserved only for God, into a language that has no words reserved specifically for God.
are you saying you believe reality is totally merciless? because it seems pretty forgiving to me. I've made plenty of mistakes and not instantly died.
unsolved murders and god's mercy
Nailed it. Couldn't have said it better
>Why then do Muslims get so mad if Muhammed is depicted in art
>My question is, when people draw Muhammed and get killed, isn't the Muslim response a form of idolatry since they don't kill people drawing a random dog but lose their shit if you draw a prophet born of man?
>Is there a specific verse in the Quran that says drawing Mohammed is worse than drawing a woman?
Look up iconoclasm. It's not an exclusively Muslim thing
I was amused to read that the early Franciscan missionaries in the New World had a hard time selling the religion to the natives with the cross symbolism, but the natives could relate to the madonna symbolism of mother and child, so they focused on that instead
>madonna symbolism of mother and child,
that's babylonian imagery
it kind of sucks people turned the symbol of death into a trendy meme and people lose the meaning. Taking up the cross (electric chair) and following Jesus was a one way trip and has very different meaning and requires much more effort and sacrifice.
The Romans had a basic understanding of wound hygiene, wine and green mold from bread was sufficiently effective to give them a competitive edge civilization ally.
>Is there a specific verse in the Quran that says drawing Mohammed is worse than drawing a woman?
nothing like that is in the quran you idiot. this is google-tier information. most of islam is predicated on the hadith and other cult of muhammad shit that’s not in the quran, the character muhammad is arguably not even in it (only mentioned like 4 times and it could very well just be an epithet, like malachi)
Jesus is literally God, tbh. born of a virgin. He is fully God and fully man. we are connected mystically. He incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became man whose Kingdom shall have no end.
The Trinity is a Helenistic philosophical idea and pagan belief. Not a Biblical teaching. We know this because of the definitions used to describe it: Essence, substance, nature, homoousios, and persons is all Greek metaphysical terms originating in Helenistic Philosophy going back to Plato and Aristotle. The word hypostatic union comes from hypostasis. It is a philosophical idea from Helenistic Greek Philosophy. The Trinity can only be supported with pagan doctrine. These terms and beliefs are not found in the Bible but in Plato, Aristotle, and Pythagoras. The Trinity can be traced back through old triad gods, Greek Philosophy, and Hindu avatarism.
The definitions of the Trinity itself: Essence, substance, nature, homoousios, persons, hypostatic union are from Plato, Aristotle, and Pythagoras all taught these centuries before Jesus was born. Just trace "hypostatic union" on Wikipedia. It goes straight back to Plato, Aristotle and Neoplatonism.
Think about this: If I started using word like "Means of Labor," "bourgeoisie," "proletariat," "Base and superstructure" and called myself a Libertarian you'd all cry foul and accuse me of being a Marxist and Communist. Why? Because all my terminology used to describe "Libertarian" ideology is all Marxist in nature. You would all call me a fraud.
Why not with the Trinty? That's where the entire definition of the Trinity comes from. None of the terminologies, definitions, and understanding of the Trinity comes from the Bible. It all comes from Greek Philosophy, Stoicism, Hindus, and Pagans.
there is only one true Church. Eastern Orthodoxy. the rest is larp
>there is only one true Church. Eastern Orthodoxy. the rest is larp
LOL, not even close. Here's the final redpill ...
See Notes 1, 13, and 14:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/u2c2o1/revelation_812_time_is_50_faster_now/
Synopsis:
The Second Coming of Jesus will occur on Earth. First of all, the planet that we're currently on is Bozrah, not Earth (Bozrah is basically a replica version of Earth). Secondly, people who have lived here their entire lives need to realize that this planet was never Earth, and it never will be. It's an impostor planet.
Miss Amy Playlist (61 minutes):
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prots are hopeless
No
>true Church. Eastern Orthodoxy.
read the scripture, there is only one true Church and it belongs to Jesus not me, stop worshipping man made religions created to control power and money.
You think the gates of Heaven have a Orthodox label? How absurd to gatekeep like a Pharisee so self righteously
the Church is literally the body of Christ. Jesus is the head and we make up the Body. you have to be initiated into the Church through a process of purification from the passions during catachism. then baptism, chrismation and living the liturgical lifestyle of the Church. anybody else is just an outsider looking in. saying "I believe" isn't real.
the Church gave you that Bible... what did we do before the Bible was even codified? we followed Holy Tradition passed down from the Apostles and prophets of the OT.
“For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.” Mat 18:20
you prots can interpret that however you want. you also skip over before and after that verse. you can Google and youtube that debunk any time. kindergarten level apologetics.
>tree
Here is another illustration Jesus used: “The Kingdom of Heaven is like a mustard seed planted in a field. It is the smallest of all seeds, but it becomes the largest of garden plants; it grows into a tree, and birds come and make nests in its branches.” Mat 13:31-32
>Becomes a tree: The mustard plant customarily never grows beyond what one would call a bush, and at its normal size would be an unlikely place for bird’s nests. The tree-like growth from this mustard seed describes something unnatural.
“The language suggests that Jesus was thinking of the Old Testament use of the tree as an image for a great empire (see especially Ezekiel 17:23; 31:3-9; Daniel 4:10-12).” (France)
Again many, or even most, regard this as a beautiful picture of the church growing so large that it provides refuge for all of the world. But this mustard seed plant grew unnaturally large, and it harbored birds, which, in the previous parables were emissaries of Satan (Matthew 13:4, 13:19). This should be regarded as another description of corruption in the kingdom community, just as the previous parable of the wheat and the tares described (Matthew 13:24-30).
“Close study of birds as symbols in the Old Testament and especially in the literature of later Judaism shows that birds regularly symbolize evil and even demons or Satan (cf. b. Sanhedrin, 107a; cf. Revelation 18:2).” (Carson)
It's saying that the Kingdom of Heaven is the origin of man. Eternal recurrence.
>that pic
Huh. It's all coming together
A CIRCUMCISED GOD?
youd think he would have designed himself in advance already circumsized, as a symbol to the israelites of his divinity. but no, his mother trekked through a hundred miles of desert the minute after he was born to make it to jerusalem by the 8th day so he could have his little baby weiner mutilated by a israeli rabbi.
and that isnt factoring in the purpose of circumscision, its symbolism related to the covenant and israel being the bridegroom of god. him being circumsized essentially means he married his own father. now having just realized this connection, it wouldnt surprise me if that was what the freemasonic boybride ceremonies are all about
Orthodox, Catholic or whatever Churches are man made tools to control people, money and power. If you want to believe in God, you don't need Church, you already have everything you need inside you
you don't need it now after the church has kept the scriptures and taught man of the word of God and lived and prospered with the blessing of God to the point of developing the printing press *clears throat* you say you don't need it and be accurate ish
but you still need a body of believers to fellowship with or else you'll not be happy
That is subjective. Some need approval of others to be sure what they believe is the "accurate" and "correct" belief. And those are the "sheep" that most religions mention.
Other than that, humans are social beings, and need to live in groups, so that part is correct. No man is an island, we all need assistance at some point.
Greatest achievement in human history will be to believe what you want and let others believe what they want. Respect others and their beliefs, brothers and sisters. You are not all-knowing, nobody is.
"After all the people were baptized, Jesus was baptized. As he was praying, the sky opened up and the Holy Spirit, like a dove descending, came down on him. And along with the Spirit, a voice: “You are my Son, chosen and marked by my love, pride of my life.” Luke 3:21-22
Sounds like a trinity to me.
the father: the broken inner monologue perceived as a seperate entity and the accompanying schizophrenic hallucinations of abraham
the son: a schizophrenic man who ascribed his own broken inner monologue to that of abraham's
the holy spirit: schizophrenics who came after the son who can no longer claim to communicate with abraham's schizophrenic hallucinations and now must refer to their schizophrenia as something else
yes, it really is that simple
mohammed: a marauding pedophile sex cult leader
mohammed: a marauding pedophile sex cult leader
mohammed: a marauding pedophile sex cult leader
yes, it really is that simple
also a schizophrenic
Religion, specifically Abrahamic religions, is important to study and learn about if you are interested in social compacts. Which is the foundation of politics. That's why we don't have a separate religion board you can apply religion to politics as well as /x/
It has prophetic power precisely because it's coming from the minds of schizos
now you know how pol is always right
>, in Christianity Jesus is born of God
its actually a point of contention. Many early Christians did not believe so, like in Arianism. Its a very valid point because john says he saw " the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him." and its from that point on Jesus began teaching.
The idea sorta went away after the inquisitions lol
I dont think it changes much, personally I dont believe he was literally born the son of God but I guess it depends how you view destiny, its all semantics.
>I reject idolatry
>I love chrislam
Christianity to Islam pipeline isreal.
Historically many Muslims (thought obviously not all, there is a lot of variation between communities) have considered it either haram or at least in poor taste to attempt to artistically render natural entities in any realistic way. That meant people, animals, landscapes... It was seen as trying to imitate the intricate forms that only God can create, or something like that. This is the main reason that many Muslim countries developed visual art forms that are just large, intricate and abstract geometric patterns ("arabesques", the patterns of Persian rugs, etc). I'm guessing that with Muhammad, it is a combination of the general attitude toward drawing people combined with Muhammad being a particularly holy person.
Islam are kind of like israelites in that they use the fear of idolatry to denigrate the image of God- the human form through violence. Which is certainly a grave sin. israelites will use the fear of idolatry to denigrate the image of God using the holy spirit. This is why they are called the Synagogue of Satan. Far worse than Islam.
It's all bullshit and corrupted beyond recognition at this point anyway, even if it did start as truth, it's not anymore.
The new religion can be started after life has re-evolved after the meteor, and after all moronic humans are dead
have a nice day
1. Catholics do t pray to the Pope
2. Muslims and protties ripped off Pharisees (moronic) interpretation of the ten commandments to say "no images at all"
3. Muslims are violent morons
Sure. Jesus wore the cross and commanded his poverty stricken followers to construct 10 foot marble statues in his name
>Sure. Jesus wore the cross and commanded his poverty stricken followers to construct 10 foot marble statues in his name
God commanded the Israelites to make statues of angels out of gold, so making statues out 8f marble ain't crazy. Also statues are cool you dumb Black person
Isn't the point of breaking away from Judaism was to get away from all the israeli & pagan practices like idolatry,usury, divination,intercessions etc?
>Judaism
talmud status is so denounced after watching this:
papacy is a scam
Christ is King
indeed
Any drawings is not allowed
>“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
>Why then do Muslims get so mad if Muhammed is depicted in art, he is not their god, but a man spreading supposed Divine truth.
That's why. Depicting him was seen as a risk of idol worship which is strictly forbidden.
we have seen shias go full moron with fake images of a persianised ali and how christians have icons and statues that they pray to and respect
>For context one of the reasons I'm drawn to Protestantism
A CIRCUMCISED GOD?!??
SERIOUSLY?!??
Isaiah 53, learn it, live it, love it!
Tldr. Christcucks ramblings.
Take your meds
The issue with drawing is it's mostly done to mock. Mocking any religion is actually forbidden in Islam. Exactly to prevent others mocking God and his prophets.
If you started killing atheists who insult your religion we would have a lot less world homosexualry from your sodomy enforcing empire.
Art glorifies the image of god. To show affection for gods creation that which you are as well. Islam believes that god is only that and not which there is distance from god. So god is not glorious? Therefore you fricked up by insisting that you shouldn't exist because you are, in fact, distant from God. The Christian God is of the father (which is what you believe) but also the son- which is the sacrament that God offers you to carry a covenant of forgiveness. To which there is a holy spirit. Christian god reconciles with the world we live while Islamic god denies the world.
You're rambling, God is glorious independently of all creation.
Okay what about in creation that you are in? Is there not sin?
You see God is, in fact, the emanator of all things. He does not like it when you sin. If you sin you are distant from God. Therefore you must attest to this dilemma. Islam does not attest to this fact, they are like a child that cries when it is born and wants to crawl back into the womb. It does not reflect the intentions that God the Almighty made for you. For that you are mistaken and foresaken. However you can be redeemed by engaging with the covenant of Christ and the holy trinity.
Jesus never preached trinity but strict monotheism as israelites knew it in his time.
This is revisionism. As i said. The baby crawling back into the womb. Ghastly.
it seems their ideal is to be an animal. Kinda explains a lot.
He spoke of the father. You are missing 2/3 of god the almighty. For that you are foresaken.
If there was any situation where he should have explained the trinity it was this one. But for this israeli man who asked him how to be saved it was enough to believe in the "father" alone and jesus that he sent. If the trinity was necessary or true, he would have specified it to that man, or else he would be hiding the only path to salvation.
Jesus Christ is god in the flesh he is the object that offers atonement of sin. To reject Christ is to reject the offer of forgiveness. Remember you are born of sin, so you must 'faithfully' engage with the realities of life. God commands you to.
>To reject Christ is to reject the offer of forgiveness.
if your god was real it wouldn't peddle mercy
you're allowed to breathe after all you've done, yet you would still deny the creator is merciful lol.
what about my victims?
where was your god then?
allowing you to damn yourself I suppose.
why would you assume death is bad? that's your religion, not mine.
You know, now that I think of it... God wouldn't of let the browning of europe happen if you guys were to go back to Christianity. It's disturbing how atheism thrives in Europe. You abandoned God and now he floods your land with foreigners.
look into who's letting them in homo
All that puc proves is that thq Quran copy pasted the bible
And since the bible is the word of allah then it can't be corrupted
But it did get corrupted so it's not the word of allah
So why the frick did the muslims copy the NOT word of allah?
>Jesus never preached trinity
>post John
Islam was created out of several Christian heresies in 600ad. namely Arianism. your "prophet" was in a heretical Christian sect before starting his own religion.
>just start your own religion, bro
it's wicked smart though. from the mindset he explained, it would inevitably create the perfect non-individual hive army bereft of all humanity.
achieving 'oneness' with God in the moment is just being a beast. Animals just experience God, we have to learn to deal with the separation responsibly. But they don't, which I guess is why they are so often ruled by passion and anger.
>perfect non-individual hive army bereft of all humanity.
Responsibility is achieved through our imaginative consciousness, through refusing to reify abstractions, and instead hone our instincts to recognize only the truth.
Far from a hive mind, declaring the sovereignty of God creates extremely well-delineated individuals, paying no heed to family or society or country, concerned only with the truth, as anything apart from the truth leads to permanent alienation from God.
Anything - absolutely anything - is preferable to me than to stop living life as a Muslim. I'll die and I'll kill without a second thought or a moment's concern to preserve this state of God-consciousness, in which I love only God.
Does this make me part of a hive mind? No - I'm defending my own interests, alongside my brothers who share the same overwhelming love for God. We are one in God, as individuals with widely-varying backgrounds, each living as our authentic selves.
>I'll kill without a second thought or a moment's concern
so will I kill evil but so what?
>in which I love only God.
so do I, I just think there's more to it than muh unity. We're not all one, and there's an explanation as to why we know in our hearts this reality is flawed. We're not from here. You seem to just accept the world as it is and love it.
What does it mean to fight for God? It means to fight to preserve an authentic experience of the world. To be a Muslim is to love life. To love life so much that we’d rather die than submit to someone else’s vision of what our life should be like. To be a Muslim is to strive always for authenticity, for an authentic life, for a life worth living. Only such a life is worth striving for. To be a Muslim is to live a life worth dying for.
>It means to fight to preserve an authentic experience of the world.
????
So your experience of the world is dependent on other people's opinions? Why would you need to fight in the material world for a spiritual conclusion you've come to in your own brain?
Are you asking why prophets are necessary? They're necessary because they've fought for the same thing, and thus can guide us precisely on how to fight successfully. Awakening to the truth of the prophets is to attain also to their internal states, without which a struggle of this magnitude - standing literally against the most powerful people in the world without even the slightest fear - would be impossible.
you talk about your theology and beliefs and then you randomly add in 'and i need to kill people who don't agree with me so I can remain authentic'
the frick?
None of this is scripture. Love comes from God through the holy ghost. God made the compact with you by sacrificing Jesus Christ who is the son. This is an appeal to life. Islam is not an appeal to life it is an appeal to fear of life.
It's not necessarily a hive mind. All religions are hive minds. The problem with Islam is that it rejects the reality of life. You must attest for sin through atonement, but also to engage in life positively as a result of this atonement. This is what god commands of you so you do it.
>Ezekiel 18
Why do I have to atone for something some other guy did 6 gorillion years ago? Evil is stored in the genes? I don't buy that shit, atheists don't buy that shit (ironic). Why does it make me evil if I have evil thoughts if I live my never never acting on it? Why is a murderer who believes in jesus better than a non Christian who have murderous tendencies?
Because a christian believes in sin. God, who is the almighty creator of everything, does not like when you frick up (the father). You are genetically related all the way back to when people first started sinning (original sin). So you are damaged goods. We live in reality where there is a give and receive transactional relationship in pretty much everything. So with God offering a sacrament on our behalf (the son), that shows that he is not only merciful (regarding your sins) but that we may understand his nature via contractual obligation. Which we all engage with everyday of the week.
That's why Christianity is the most sophisticated religion. Everything else is kind of inferior when you look at it objectively.
Arianism has nothing to do with Islam. Does this sound anything like Islam?
>Arian theology holds that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, who was begotten by God the Father with the difference that the Son of God did not always exist but was begotten/made before "time" by God the Father; therefore, Jesus was not coeternal with God the Father, but nonetheless Jesus began to exist outside time as time applies only to the creations of God.
Yeah it does actually you people say muhammad is the first and greatest creation and the light in “let there be light” is ackshually muhammads soul
https://www.muhammadanreality.com/
look, that sounds like arianism to everyone who isn’t an inbred pissdrinking desert orphan
This seems to be a Sufi website. But the Muhammadan reality refers simply to the recognition of God as our only reality. Meaning that it's only saying that the first creation after the truth was the capacity to submit to the truth. If you read Muslim Neoplatonist literature, there are far more stages with a lot more emanations, blah blah. In the end, it all comes back to "no god but God".
nope, but what you call heresy is just the earliest christian sect which is nazarene
>will do anything but admit the holy spirit
1 not 3
>muh the number one
>muh the number three
>here to fore
>i will follow after a marauding pedophile sex cult leader who told me to bow unto a precious stone he kissed
>haha lol lmao
disingenuous child of satan
>To show affection for gods creation
that's all you noahides have, a self proclaimed patent on the origin story.
Bro im atheist im just arguing in good faith with the mudslime.
It's about idolatry and not getting distracted by the messenger and losing the message or some bullshit. Remember these people worship a god that told his people to build a snake statue to magically heal all their snake bites right after getting mad about them building gold calves to worship. Neither side is very bright
Christ isn't a "part" of the Christian God, He is God.
Thats because most contemporary christians dont have real faith and because we are forced to kept a low profile stance and cant judge anybody, most muslims are fundamentalists and their book is about killing for everything, islam is like a hyper hardcore protestant sect that replaced the core value of offering your life for taking your life.
it's because they want a worldly life and not Christ. we judge them by their fruits. we don't judge where their soul is going. we do judge as Christ commands us to.
>Praying to saints, and the Pope are strange idolatrous concepts to me.
Off topic but this is how divide and conquer work. The Catholic Church was infiltrated centuries ago, they steer it heavily in one direction and then set up a counter religion. Then they get both religions to fight each other. They used religious factional fighting before it became easier to flood countries with migrants and set up d&c that way
christcuck thread dont even bother replying
no man is to be depicted in islam not just muhammad,
>idolatry the Catholic Church instilled
White people have always had idols and always will. For instance this statue of Athena and the other Olympian Gods was built in front of the Austrian parliment building in 1883, and of course the parliment building seen in the background was deliberately built in the NeoClassical style to look like an Ancient Greek Temple
Semitic religions are demonic myths passed down by inbred goatfrickers.
Those inbred goatfrickers were born in the crossroads of civilization(s). That's why all Abrahamic religions are like discussing trade agreements. They are verbal and relevant whether you like it or not.
because muslims realize if they allow people to draw muhammad then its only 100 years before some sect pops up that starts worshipping his image like god.
then islam will be corrupted like christianity and no different from another pagan cult.
the question you should be asking is why do you worship a manlet
>hurka durka barraddar
>but when durka is murfa it is qurfa
>and only then barraddarr
>will it be permissible to be qualified as zhurqa
>ameeeeeeeeeeen
moronic pedo loving stone licking children of satan
what does the holy God have to do with any of you?
meme your flags and work for your supper lying for satan
and, merry Christmas, you filthy animals
>Seal of the Prophets
That's not Nietzche
I was looking at redit and God said "pretty good" To me twice. I noticed almost every post was about sex or a woman. It's pretty likely that he's made redit. And all the people in the content on redit are NPCs which he's controlling. The purpose? I'm not sure if he's trying to make the losers kill themselves - which is the thing. Or, it's possible he's made all this for the purpose of feeling intense sexual frustration, and by constantly making you witness success through screens it builds the concept into your mind. We can assume that God could very easily influence what is on the front page of redit, I can say this with 99.9% accuracy. So, he's done this, and what does it mean?
that means youre chosen
In Islam Muhammed is the final prophet but they acknowledge Jesus was a prophet and is supposed to return.
Which will make him the final prophet. This kinda messes with them because it fits the framework of Islam.
The whole point is nobody knows what he looked like
did you know mohammed's shit (pbuh) doesn't stink? and the earth automatically swallows it after he's done?
Jesus Christ wasn't the seal of the prophets
Malachi 4:5-6
Beholde, I will send you Eliiah the Prophet, before the comming of the great and dreadfull day of the Lord.
6And hee shall turne the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
This should clear it up for you
Only homosexuals give a frick about what some random newspaper from france draws about muh Profit PRAY YOUR FRICKING SALAT INSTEAD OF FOAMING AZ THE MOUTH FROM SOME FRENCH homosexual YOU FRICKING homosexual AND FRICK YOU TOO.
You Always Post the Same stuff and you insult aß If anyone forced you to BE a Muslim. You are free. Your government IS secular. Why angry dude?
because that paid isis flagged piece of shit is LYING to people in the name of SATAN
do you not understand why this should make somebody ANGRY?
For the record, I don't get paid. I just don't have many Muslim friends.
lying
enemy of humanity
you literally live here
and all you do is sidestep OBVIOUS LOGICAL ABSURDITIES of memehammed in the basis of the holy God
WHILE DISMISSING THE WORD OF GOD
because THE WORD OF GOD
blasts a marauding pedophile sex cult leader false prophet IN THE FACE
accursed child of satan
Properly speaking, I don't have any Muslim friends. I barely know my Muslim colleagues, and the only other Muslims I know are from the local masjid.
Since I'm obviously not meant to spend work hours discussing religion, this is the only place I have any Islamic discussions, any religious discussions at all.
I hope to stop posting here soon. As I mentioned before, it's Gaza that brought me back. Inshallah, I'll go away and spend all my time focusing on work, family, and prayer.
you were posting LONG before the gaza terrorism of oct the 7th
and i thought you had no idea what the hamas was? why gaza brought you back you don't even know the ruling body of it for the past 30 years barraddar?
are you a lying enemy of humanity baraddarrr?
haraaaaaaaaaaaaaam
i mean
halaaaaaaaaaaaal
Because it made me emotional and want to keep up with the news. Normally, I don't follow the news at all.
And unless I wanted to make a Twitter account, this is my only source of decentralized news. So, I came back.
Now, I've made the necessary adjustments in my life, and I can move on from here. Inshallah, I'll be out of your hair soon.
you are not in my hair, imbecile
you are in the palm of satan
Jesus Christ who is God keeps subduing you and your toothless taqiyya
and putting you and your satan to shame
you can't take up for your memehammed
not while i'm around
why is that?
Fine. Take my concession, warrior for Christ(PBUH). I'll stop posting.
اشهد ان لا اله الا الله وان محمد رسول الله
>i'll stop posting
you mean satan your allah has nothing left to taqiyya the thread with, i posted one too many times and now nobody's biting
masha dasha ameeeeeeeeen
moron
اشهد ان لا اله الا الله واشهد ان محمدا عبده ورسوله
yes or no
do you think i google translate that because i care to know what you're saying?
اشهد ان لا اله الا الله واشهد ان محمدا عبده ورسوله