John 1 is proof that Jesus is God.

John 1 is proof that Jesus is God.

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Amen.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I honestly believe that at some point people evolved the ability to talk, read, write, and think words. The change came first to one people who essentially believed themselves to be empowered with God or infused by the power of God as the word, the motivating spirit that embodies the word apart from any orator that is also one with all those who are also of the kind with the word.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, it doesn't look like that though.

      I honestly believe that at some point people evolved the ability to talk, read, write, and think words. The change came first to one people who essentially believed themselves to be empowered with God or infused by the power of God as the word, the motivating spirit that embodies the word apart from any orator that is also one with all those who are also of the kind with the word.

      >at some point people evolved
      Lol, evolution is a fairy tale

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Lol, evolution is a fairy tale

        Looks like you lost this one, chief.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Does this Edda have fulfilled prophecies?

        [...]
        Who do you say is the second?

        IN the beginning was the Devil, and the
        Devil was with God, and the Devil was
        God, the Same was in the beginning
        with God. All Things were made by
        him; and without him was not any
        thing made that was made. G-D

        God-Devil

        في البداية كان الشيطان و
        كان إبليس مع الله ، وكان إبليس
        الله ، نفس الشيء كان في البداية
        مع الله. كل الأشياء صنعت بواسطة
        له؛ وبدونه لم يكن هناك أي
        الشيء الذي تم صنعه. G-D

        الله الشيطان

        There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad and Ali are his messengers.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      IN the beginning was the Devil, and the
      Devil was with God, and the Devil was
      God, the Same was in the beginning
      with God. All Things were made by
      him; and without him was not any
      thing made that was made. G-D

      God-Devil

      في البداية كان الشيطان و
      كان إبليس مع الله ، وكان إبليس
      الله ، نفس الشيء كان في البداية
      مع الله. كل الأشياء صنعت بواسطة
      له؛ وبدونه لم يكن هناك أي
      الشيء الذي تم صنعه. G-D

      الله الشيطان

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It only shows that Jesus existed at the start of the world's creation. It doesn't mean he is God. Angels also existed.

    • 4 months ago
      Dirk

      It says he's prior to all creation

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    No.
    John 1 is proof that Jesus is God IF John is legit.
    Tough shit. John is precisely one of the NT books scholars are unironically suspecting of being a forgery.
    And even if it isn't a forgery, that still doesn't establish it was inspired by God, only that John was indeed the author.

    Or is the Poetic Edda proof Odin exists?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Does this Edda have fulfilled prophecies?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Christianity has zero fulfilled prophecies.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Have you ever read the Old Testament?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, and Adam and Eve did not die on the day they ate the fruit.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous
          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            How hard would it be for someone writing the New Testament to come along and write "Jesus fulfilled X. Trust me, bro." No one can check to see if it actually happened in history or is just a fabricated story.

            Also Jesus didn't fulfill any of the messianic prophecies. He didn't bring world peace. He didn't gather all israelites back to Israel. He did not unite the world under the knowledge of the God of Israel. He did nothing.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            He predicted the Second Temple would be destroyed. Also, the septuagint existed.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >He predicted the Second Temple would be destroyed.
            "Yeah, uh, this guy will die... someday. See how risky a prediction I'm making?"

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Second temple was destroyed when Jesus died
            >NO WE DONT KNOW THE DATE JESUS DIED BUT IT JUST DID OK!!!

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            But we do?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            When?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Uhh... if an old book says that israeli god exists that must mean it's true. Okay?

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >ibr JW posters sperg out

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    John 1 actually is indicating that Jesus (the Logos) ISN'T God anymore. It's old Philo-style emanationism, which already existed in Judaism, with Metatron (the angel of the Lord). Note the: "And the Word WAS God". God, according to this tradition in israeli religious thought, separated off bits of himself into different angels, and set them about different tasks. One of them being the "firstborn of creation" and God's high priest. Aka, Jesus.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Note the: "And the Word WAS God".
      God never changes either. Psalm 90:1-2.

      "[A Prayer of Moses the man of God.] Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.
      Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God."
      - Psalm 90:1-2

      "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."
      - Revelation 1:8

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Who do you say is the second?

    • 4 months ago
      JWanon

      Jesus is the Word and the God he was with at the beginning is Jehovah

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Didn't realize angels were gods too. Oh wait, they're not. It's also funny how j dubs leave out the holy spirit.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          The Holy Ghost is God and The Holy Spirit is Satan, every Real Christian knows that.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            They're synonyms, homedog.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            fake christian detected

        • 4 months ago
          JWanon

          Angels are called gods in Psalms. The holy spirit is not a person, it's God's force.

          [...]
          "a god" is objectively a mistranslation

          Post the verse in the original Greek please

          • 4 months ago
            JWbot

            Jehovah's Wizards (JW) and Jehovah's Witches (JW):

            Bide the Wiccan Laws we must: In Perfect Love and Perfect Trust.
            Live and let live. Fairly take and fairly give.
            Cast the Circle thrice about to keep the evil spirits out.
            To bind the spell every time let the spell be spake in rhyme.
            Soft of eye and light of touch, Speak little, listen much.
            Deosil go by the waxing moon, chanting out the Witches' Rune.
            Widdershins go by the waning moon, chanting out the baneful tune.
            When the Lady's moon is new, kiss the hand to her, times two.
            When the moon rides at her peak, then your hearts desire seek.
            Heed the North wind's mighty gale, lock the door and drop the sail.
            When the wind comes from the South, love will kiss thee on the mouth.
            When the wind blows from the West, departed souls will have no rest.
            When the wind blows from the East, expect the new and set the feast.
            Nine woods in the cauldron go, burn them fast and burn them slow.
            Elder be the Lady's tree, burn it not or cursed you'll be.
            When the Wheel begins to turn, let the Beltane fires burn.
            When the Wheel has turned to Yule, light the log and The Horned One rules.
            Heed ye flower, Bush and Tree, by the Lady, blessed be.
            Where the rippling waters go, cast a stone and truth you'll know.
            When ye have a true need, hearken not to others' greed.
            With a fool no season spend, lest ye be counted as his friend.
            Merry meet and merry part, bright the cheeks and warm the heart.
            Mind the Threefold Law you should, three times bad and three times good.
            When misfortune is enow, wear the blue star on thy brow.
            True in love ever be, lest thy lover's false to thee.
            Eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill: An ye harm none, do what ye will.

            Jehovah's Wiccans (JW)

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.

            It is strange that you think that this some sort of gotcha. J dubs have a poor understanding of koine greek and think you can translate languages one to one. Note how there is no definite article between Ἐν and ἀρχῇ and yet it is understood as "in the beginning" and not "in a beginning". I point this out because that is the same argument they use for rendering their incorrect translation.

            Fun Fact: blasphemers aka jehovahs witnesses used to use the kjv before their current Bible (whose authors have mysteriously never been named) was being used. Another fun fact: old editions of the watchtower featured the cross.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος
            In the beginning (arche) was the word (logos)
            >καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν
            And the word (logos) was with god (theon, accusative).
            >καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.
            And god (theos, noun) was the word (logos)

            t. knows Greek

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Thank you anon 😀
            Do you know any good resources on learning greek? I already know latin.

            i watched a YT vid that touched on this, and if we are to assume the Christian God is real, then in all probability the Old Testament God would have to be Jehova, and the New Testament God would be "The Father/Holy Trinity God" because there is NO FRICKING WAY that the god from the Old Testament where a poor frick so much as breathed wrong would be fricking smoted from the earth, that would also say "frick it" and CTRL-X'd the world with a Flood, and was Petty, Jealous, Immature, Intolerant, gave HIGHLY Conditional Love etc etc etc..
            Would or Could EVER be the same God that we hear about in the New Testament that its almost the EXACT OPPOSITE God to the one in the Old Testament, which begs the question is there then 2 Gods? or more Gods like other civilizations believed?

            The Father sent His only begotten Son to redeem mankind.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Do you know any good resources on learning greek? I already know latin.
            Be born it 🙂

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Same anon. Change (theos, noun) to (theos, nominative), for clarity.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Same anon. Change (theos, noun) to (theos, nominative), for clarity.

            could the last phrase be transformed to make it more clear the Word is "divine" (God-y, as in being His perfect image) rather that being God Himself?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's more or less already stated that it was if it was in the beginning, was with god, and was god. Can't get more divine than that

          • 4 months ago
            JWbot

            “The beginning” refers to the time when God began his creative work and produced the Word. Thereafter, the Word was used by God in the creation of all other things. (John 1:2, 3) The Bible states that Jesus is “the firstborn of all creation” and that “by means of him all other things were created.”—Colossians 1:15, 16.

            The phrase “the Word was a god” describes the divine or godlike nature that Jesus possessed before he came to earth. He can be described in this way because of his role as God’s Spokesman and his unique position as the firstborn Son of God through whom God created all other things.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why aren't you allowed to grow a beard? Jesus and Abraham had beards

          • 4 months ago
            JWanon

            What do hese JWs have on their face ?

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          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >all the posts are in Brazilian Portuguese

            Ahhh it's all coming into focus now. Having fun posting from your favela?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >uses flag emotes
            Heresy

          • 4 months ago
            JWanon

            >Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος
            In the beginning (arche) was the word (logos)
            >καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν
            And the word (logos) was with god (theon, accusative).
            >καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.
            And god (theos, noun) was the word (logos)

            t. knows Greek

            >καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.

            Thanks !

            Now how do you say in biblical Greek "and the word was a god" ?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >ignores the counterpoint I made
            You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink from it.

          • 4 months ago
            JWanon

            Not that anon but my best understanding is you would have to say "one of the gods" or something in order to distinguish from the single God that was already mentioned in that sentence. Greek doesn't have an indefinite article you can use, after all, though that would be convenient if it did.

            Ok, how do you say in biblical Greek "and the word was a god" ?

            You can ask ChatGPT if you don't know

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Greek doesn't have an indefinite article, moron.

            When?

            33 AD

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not that anon but my best understanding is you would have to say "one of the gods" or something in order to distinguish from the single God that was already mentioned in that sentence. Greek doesn't have an indefinite article you can use, after all, though that would be convenient if it did.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I hate to side with J(e)Ws here, but they are correct, the israelites had a tradition of basically treating angels as subordinate deities. The Metatron Bitheist controversy is basically a super duper early version of the Jesus-Trinity controversy.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            israelite here. Every knee Will bow.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Every foot (full toes) will go up your ass

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        i watched a YT vid that touched on this, and if we are to assume the Christian God is real, then in all probability the Old Testament God would have to be Jehova, and the New Testament God would be "The Father/Holy Trinity God" because there is NO FRICKING WAY that the god from the Old Testament where a poor frick so much as breathed wrong would be fricking smoted from the earth, that would also say "frick it" and CTRL-X'd the world with a Flood, and was Petty, Jealous, Immature, Intolerant, gave HIGHLY Conditional Love etc etc etc..
        Would or Could EVER be the same God that we hear about in the New Testament that its almost the EXACT OPPOSITE God to the one in the Old Testament, which begs the question is there then 2 Gods? or more Gods like other civilizations believed?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          The virgin trinity vs. the Chad YEEHAWAH

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          God of the Old Testament is a smartass. God of the New Testament is a candyass. God of the Last Testament is a badass.

          Tanakh
          https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=smartass
          Gospel
          https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=candyass
          Qur'an
          https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=badass

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Ultra-cool motherfricker.

        • 4 months ago
          JWanon

          If we start from the start in Exodus, we see that israelites were cruelly ENSLAVED by Egyptians. But God saw this, so he sent Moses to set them free. Then in the desert he provides for all their needs. He gives them food, protection, land and even makes a covenant with them that he will always be by their side as long as they keep the law he gave thel, which includes worshipping him only (and not the false gods) and acting with justice everyday. If they did that, Jehovah would keep them as his treasured posession

          But just after God told them all of this, the Israelites did a bad thing and worshipped a golden calf, so they broke their covenant

          And yet, Jehovah doesn't abandon them, they continue to live and he continues to be their God.

          They enter the promised land and then it's the same story for over 1000 years !

          Israel disobeys God = God gets angry = but ultimately God forgives them

          TIME AND TIME AGAIN the Israelites worship idols, oppress the poor, steal from widows and abandon Jehovah's justice 🙁

          They live with evil in their hearts and God continues to forgive them: he sends prophets and miracles to win them back

          The Bible says that God is hurt and sad that they keep doing these things. For 1000 years, Jehovah has been loving and patient and faithful to a covenant they didn't deserve. Until enough was enough, and he allowed Israel to be destroyed by Babylon

          But his anger lasts for only a moment. After only 2 generations, Jehovah offers forgiveness to the people and restores their nation and tries again !

          When we see the whole story of the OT, what we see is not a God who is angry by nature. We see a God who is far more merciful than we will ever be !

          And finally, God sent them a prophet to offer the ultimate salvation, not only for Israel but for people of all nations !

          “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.”—John 3:16

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's proof the Bible writers couldn't keep the story straight
    >To us there is but one God, the Father.”—1 Corinthians 8:6.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      oh well, it's as if different books had different authors with conflicting views and agendas. Weird, right?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Saint Paul says all things were created through and hold together in Christ in Colossians too though. The Trinity is one dogma for which the evidence in Scripture is fairly overwhelming. Nothing is created except through Christ is quite explicit, as is God's Spirit also being God.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          But Paul never says that God and Jesus are the SAME. He was writing in the tradition of Jesus as the firstborn of creation, and highest angel of God, that traces all the way back to the figure of Metatron. Philo was a very significant israeli author who wrote about this exact sort of being. So Paul identifying Jesus as the firstborn of creation and the way by which God created everything, is utterly unsurprising. Yet, NOTHING Paul says can certainly be used for evidence of a Trinity, and much else that he DID say can be used as evidence against it.
          >inb4 JW
          I'm an atheist

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >But Paul never says that God and Jesus are the SAME.
            Actually, yes Paul does say this as well.

            "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
            - Philippians 2:5-6

          • 4 months ago
            JWanon

            The KJV versions of this verse has long since been discredited.

            Consider the following, better translations:

            English Standard Version
            who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,

            Berean Standard Bible
            Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,

            Berean Literal Bible
            Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider to be equal with God something to be grasped,

            English Revised Version
            who, being in the form of God, counted it not a prize to be on an equality with God,

            Literal Standard Version
            who, being in the form of God, thought [it] not something to be seized to be equal to God,

            Majority Standard Bible
            Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,

            New American Bible
            Who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God something to be grasped.

            NET Bible
            who though he existed in the form of God did not regard equality with God as something to be grasped,

            Here, Paul is talking about Jesus' humility and submission to God. He did not envy God's position and never craved equality with God, unlike Satan whose goal is to be worshipped like God.

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >A guy writing words and saying thing..."PROVES" thing
    Christians believe the bible is the 'word of god' and can by default not contain lies.
    The 'Slave exodus from Egypt' has been proven to be a lie and the bible violently snaps between being Henotheistic and pure-monotheistic in it's two testaments because the first-half was written by Bronze-Age israelites who just thought YHWH was their personal tribal-totem god and the second half was written during the Roman empire, Itself a spin-off of the by that point Monotheistic Judaism.

    Despite the Christian claim that YHWH is 'omniscient' and has ordered the universe in a way that free-will is void, with him already being aware of and setting in stone everything that will ever happen, We see YHWH in the old-testament feel the need to 'test' individuals when he already would have known their responses, had he been omniscient.

    + All the YHWHjak spam, Chemosh and the chariots, Book of Job, YHWH trying to kill Moses in the desert, YHWH flooding the world to end sin and then it immediately not fixing it etc etc etc. - All also fair criticisms.

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    "a god" is objectively a mistranslation

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    these fricking threads are fricking hilarious fricking works of fricking artisans

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Issue 1 is proof that Peter Parker is Spiderman

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus didn't exist.

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christians: fill yourself with the Spirit and become a vessel for the father.

    So demon posession?

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