Is this the only argument you need against Christians?

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  1. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, that only works against israelites.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      It works on both.
      Islam is the odd one out because of their reinterpretation on things.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      If both you and the Christian you're arguing failed middle school English, then yes.

      >immediate pilpul and deflection
      I guess it is.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        I couldn't help but notice that every single thing you pretend to have a problem with Christianity about is actually judaism, which you never attack.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I couldn't help but cope by claiming that everything against me is a israeli plot
          That's because you're a /misc/troony pretending to be Christian. In any case, abrahamic religions are all the same to me, including judaism. You aren't going to weasel your way out of OP.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            They clearly aren't all the same to you, or you would be attacking judaism.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          The iron chariot thing is from the israeli part of the bible.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Do you disavow the OT as unchristian israelite-fanfiction and the YHWH there as seperate from thr God in the NT? If yes I don't have a problem with you.

  2. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    If both you and the Christian you're arguing failed middle school English, then yes.

  3. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    They cheated. They were not supposed to use iron chariots during the Bronze Age.

  4. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >atheists end up btfo'ing in argument
    >abrahamoids resort to pettier methods like fedoraposting
    >atheists use the same petty tactics with yhwhjak and still btfo them
    Abarahamsissies... it seems the goys won.

  5. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    he Bible verse you quoted seems to be saying that God was unable to overcome the resistance of a "few chariots". Is that true?

    First, is the translation of the verse an accurate translation?

    >Brenton Septuagint: "And the Lord was with Judas, and he inherited the mountain; for they were not able to destroy the inhabitants of the valley, for Rechab prevented them."

    We see here that there is a discrepancy between the Greek original and the Masoretic Hebrew. A simple typographical error could explain this, but it doesn't necessarily prove that the verse in question is in error.

    The second thing to examine is whether we are correctly understanding the verse. A modernized English translation reads:

    >"These people living along the coast had iron chariots, and so the people of Judah were not able to drive them out."

    This translation does a better job of making it clear to the average reader that "was not able" applies to "the people of Judah", not to God. So our original interpretation was in error. Judah, through a lack of faith, was unable to drive out the inhabitants.

    But, can God defeat chariots of iron?

    >Judges 4:12-15
    >When Sisera was told that Barak son of Abinoam had gone up Mount Tabor, he summoned all nine hundred of his iron chariots and all the men with him, from Harosheth-hagoyim to the River Kishon. Then Deborah said to Barak, “Arise, for this is the day that the LORD has delivered Sisera into your hand. Has not the LORD gone before you?” So Barak came down from Mount Tabor with ten thousand men following him. And in front of him the LORD routed with the sword Sisera, all his charioteers, and all his army.

    sounds like God can infact defeat iron chariots

  6. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    i wonder if this OP will delete his thread like the last one did

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >read the Bible before you speak about it you stupid gaytheists
      >NOT NOT LIKE THAT DELETE THE THREAD REEEEEE

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        you dont get it, i want the thread to stay up because OP has already been btfo. the last OP deleted his chariot thread after immediately getting btfo to cover up his shame

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          You can't delete on Oyish. If a thread disappeared it's because the mods nuked it.
          Your delusional schizo brain makes you think you're the center of the universe and OP deleted his thread only because (you) BTFO'd him so hard with your immense intellect you shattered his whole world view.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Absolutely seething

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            I am just an impartial observer commenting on the situation.

            > BTFO'd him so hard with your immense intellect you shattered his whole world view.

            well this the part that definitely actually happened, and happened again in this thread, and its the only part that matters to me :^)

            Your delusional schizo brain is making you believe you are "BTFOing" other people's arguments and altering their world view when in actuality nobody gives a frick and your posts have never earned more than a shrug from anyone.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            yup, you havnt even given my argument a (you) because youve already conceded to it and know you are in the wrong. youre too afraid to even try. thats what I call being BTFO

            baby is too afraid to even try hahahaha

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            I have no idea what your argument is nor care to find out.
            I am only here to watch you descend into deeper and deeper levels of schizophrenic delusion.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >nor care to find out.
            of course you dont, youre afraid. youve been caught redhanded being, at best, intellectually dishonest, at worst, fricking moronic.

            youre going to pretend it doesn't exist, while everyone who opens this thread sees how afraid you are to address the information presented to you by me.

            your own thread has become a circus where you are the clown lmao

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Again I have no idea what your beliefs are and I will aggressively filter your arguments from my mind if you attempt to push them onto me.
            Also your delusional schizo brain is making you think I am OP. Very sad, many such cases.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >and I will aggressively filter your arguments from my mind if you attempt to push them onto me.

            yes we know, youre afraid.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Prove it.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            well lets see, I originally presented an argument which was originally presented in good faith with no hostile tone, just straight forward relevant information, and in turn you have shown nothing but severely agitated defensiveness while, in a bizzare show, vowing to avoid all intellectual discourse specifically, while continuing to post

            its clear that your capacity for sincere intellectual discourse is your soft underbelly which you are afraid to expose, and will lash out erratically to protect it

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            I did not read anything of what you just typed.
            How does that make you feel?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            victorious
            in the right
            sanctified

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Victorious in what?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            in exposing you for what you are, and this silly argument as being in the wrong, and in the triumph of truth and God over falsehood and baseness

            it doesn't even matter if you read my posts, my posts make the monkey (you) dance for the crowd and expose yourself, and make the truth reveal its self.

            weather you want to keep dancing or weather or not you want to be apart of the truth is up to you, its of little concern to me, though I do wish for your soul's sake. that you will make the right choice

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Argument detected.
            Didn't read.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Anyone reading this gay little "argument" can see you are dancing for him just as much as he is dancing for you.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            oh I know anon, hes trolling me epic style and im taking the bait, but that isn't what is important to me

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Feels divinely inspired

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            > BTFO'd him so hard with your immense intellect you shattered his whole world view.

            well this the part that definitely actually happened, and happened again in this thread, and its the only part that matters to me :^)

  7. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >when the Lord is with me but the people of the valley roll up in these

    Also not the only argument but one that makes believers seethe and cope

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >read the Bible before you speak about it you stupid gaytheists
      >NOT NOT LIKE THAT DELETE THE THREAD REEEEEE

      This post explains why it is a dumb argument:

      he Bible verse you quoted seems to be saying that God was unable to overcome the resistance of a "few chariots". Is that true?

      First, is the translation of the verse an accurate translation?

      >Brenton Septuagint: "And the Lord was with Judas, and he inherited the mountain; for they were not able to destroy the inhabitants of the valley, for Rechab prevented them."

      We see here that there is a discrepancy between the Greek original and the Masoretic Hebrew. A simple typographical error could explain this, but it doesn't necessarily prove that the verse in question is in error.

      The second thing to examine is whether we are correctly understanding the verse. A modernized English translation reads:

      >"These people living along the coast had iron chariots, and so the people of Judah were not able to drive them out."

      This translation does a better job of making it clear to the average reader that "was not able" applies to "the people of Judah", not to God. So our original interpretation was in error. Judah, through a lack of faith, was unable to drive out the inhabitants.

      But, can God defeat chariots of iron?

      >Judges 4:12-15
      >When Sisera was told that Barak son of Abinoam had gone up Mount Tabor, he summoned all nine hundred of his iron chariots and all the men with him, from Harosheth-hagoyim to the River Kishon. Then Deborah said to Barak, “Arise, for this is the day that the LORD has delivered Sisera into your hand. Has not the LORD gone before you?” So Barak came down from Mount Tabor with ten thousand men following him. And in front of him the LORD routed with the sword Sisera, all his charioteers, and all his army.

      sounds like God can infact defeat iron chariots

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Already refuted, the Greek is pretty clear that Yahweh couldn't act upon the chariots. You should have read the thread.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >the Greek is pretty clear that Yahweh couldn't act upon the chariots

          prove it

  8. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's a metaphor.
    The "iron chariots" are actually pre-Deluvian spaceships used by mankind in their cosmic war where they rebelled against the forces of Heaven and were confined to Earth and stripped of their technology as punishment, so as to never again challenge God. That was the Original Sin.

  9. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >oh you don’t believe in the God of Israel which was forced on my ancestors?
    >haha too bad you’ll wind up in the bad place only I believe in

  10. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nice of you to ignore that the narrative of Judges 2 already notes that the Hebrews had lost the favour of the Lord.

    1 The angel of the Lord went up from Gilgal to Bokim and said, “I brought you up out of Egypt and led you into the land I swore to give to your ancestors. I said, ‘I will never break my covenant with you,
    2 and you shall not make a covenant with the people of this land, but you shall break down their altars.’ Yet you have disobeyed me. Why have you done this?
    3 And I have also said, ‘I will not drive them out before you; they will become traps for you, and their gods will become snares to you.’”
    4 When the angel of the Lord had spoken these things to all the Israelites, the people wept aloud, 5 and they called that place Bokim. There they offered sacrifices to the Lord.

    Note that what precedes this occurring was Israel not driving certain Canaanite populations away, which is precisely what follows the narrative portion about the chariots.

    Seriously, what is this gotcha meant to prove? God creates a worldwide flood, smites Sodom and Gomorrah, sends the ten plagues of Egypt, parts the sea and creates a wall of fire, and creates the entire world, but somehow people that a *party of humans* receiving tentative support from God is meant to be evidence against His Power? Just how moronic do you have to be to think this is compelling evidence?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >YWHY doesn’t come through
      >see it’s okay because he didn’t want to do it
      Says the battered wife to her husband

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        So you think it would be impossible for a deity that creates the world, floods the entire planet, sends ten plagues, parts an entire sea, creates a massive wall of fire and annihilates two entire cities with fire from the sky to give strength to a group of people to defeat chariots? Or are you just pretending to be moronic?

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Well the Bible says that, and Christians believe that the Bible is a reliable historical text and the literal word of the deity that creates the world, floods the entire planet, sends ten plagues, parts an entire sea, creates a massive wall of fire and annihilates two entire cities with fire from the sky, so...

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Well the Bible says that
            It doesn't say that though, it says that Judah and his men couldn't defeat the chariots, and God destroys chariot armies later on, as

            he Bible verse you quoted seems to be saying that God was unable to overcome the resistance of a "few chariots". Is that true?

            First, is the translation of the verse an accurate translation?

            >Brenton Septuagint: "And the Lord was with Judas, and he inherited the mountain; for they were not able to destroy the inhabitants of the valley, for Rechab prevented them."

            We see here that there is a discrepancy between the Greek original and the Masoretic Hebrew. A simple typographical error could explain this, but it doesn't necessarily prove that the verse in question is in error.

            The second thing to examine is whether we are correctly understanding the verse. A modernized English translation reads:

            >"These people living along the coast had iron chariots, and so the people of Judah were not able to drive them out."

            This translation does a better job of making it clear to the average reader that "was not able" applies to "the people of Judah", not to God. So our original interpretation was in error. Judah, through a lack of faith, was unable to drive out the inhabitants.

            But, can God defeat chariots of iron?

            >Judges 4:12-15
            >When Sisera was told that Barak son of Abinoam had gone up Mount Tabor, he summoned all nine hundred of his iron chariots and all the men with him, from Harosheth-hagoyim to the River Kishon. Then Deborah said to Barak, “Arise, for this is the day that the LORD has delivered Sisera into your hand. Has not the LORD gone before you?” So Barak came down from Mount Tabor with ten thousand men following him. And in front of him the LORD routed with the sword Sisera, all his charioteers, and all his army.

            sounds like God can infact defeat iron chariots

            notes.

            >the literal word of the deity
            Lol no. It's produced by men who were guided by the Holy Spirit. It's ineffable in matters of faith, but discrepancies and inaccuracies can appear in other portions, so far as they do not impact theological issues. Not that is an instance of a possible scribal error, just an utterly trivial and exiguous portion of Scripture that morons latch onto because they lack the intelligence needed to perfunctorily engage with natural theology and holistic Biblical exegesis.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Oh I don’t think it the Bible tells us YWHY was with Judah until they met the people of the valley who had iron chariots. My only question is if the cope verses were written down after the event

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm sorry, but I was so utterly astounded by sheer, unadulterated idiocy and lack of critical thinking that had to laugh to myself a little there. I am being sincerely unironic here, but I have inquire as to how you can function without dying in everydag life with this utter absence of intelligence. The entire narrative of Judges and the history of the Kindgom of Israel is one of the Hebrews being continually tempted by and succumbing to the allure of the pagan faiths of the Canaanites, straying from God. This is consistent topos and central theme in the events being presented. Do you SERIOUSLY fricking believe that the redactor of the Bible looked at a single ambiguous and peculiar verse, and decided to sedulously construct an entire complex narrative in order to explain away a minor detail that they could have simply extirpated from the narrative!? You were dropped on your head as a baby, you really ought to have a nice day.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            I’m not even going to dignify that vomit with a thought out reply. Just know that you are perpetually coping with verse after verse about how God abandoned the Israelites and only came back after they begged him. And you expect me to believe God had a hand on the wheel the entire time haha

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            While he is wrong, that doesn't mean you should tell him to kill himself. Jesus wouldn't want that from you or him.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            You are correct, brother. The passions do get the best of us sometimes.

            The believer shows his true face. Guess turning the other cheek is another empty platitude

            All men are corrupted, depraved and rotten; without God's grace, we can never attain goodnees. I am perfectly aware that conceited superciliousness, vain narcissism and a prideful rejection of humility are ultimately what engenders the vituperative and debased antitheism of men who not only lack belief in God due to the diminution of virtue across society but put said obsessive, vile antitheism at the very center of their identity, but even for such low standards, your self-satisfied and smug locutions there are nonetheless exceedingly pathetic and unearned. Do learn some humility and self-reflection.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nice vocab nerd but it doesn’t change the fact that you’re coping about a god who has yet to return to save you because you haven’t been good enough. I can save you a lot of superfluous words by stating the truth, because truth needs no doubt obfuscation weather by flowery language or theological treatise.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            I see you have no arguments. Alright then, I'll be leaving you. I pray you shall abandon your vanity and desire for the carnal in favour of God.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            The believer shows his true face. Guess turning the other cheek is another empty platitude

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          I mean obviously it was the case. If God could deliver Israel from iron chariots he would have but he didn’t. God also could have stopped the Holocaust/pograms/destruction of the temple/worshipping of the calf/hardening pharaoh’s heart/roman occupation/Pharisees killing his son(him)/ October 7th/communist persecution/the 30 years war/papal infallibility/byzantium falling to Muslims but he didn’t.

          Of course you’re going to cope but history is full of times the God of Israel objectively fricked over his believers

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            God stripping people of their free will is contrary to His Goodness, so of course He wouldn't interfere with the free choices of men in a fallen world God foisted upon to didactly instill us with the discipline and virtue prerequisite for attaining godhood in our synergies of wills with God.

            But the destruction of the Temple was a punishment God sent upon the israelites, and Jesus' death on the cross was part of His plan, for by dying He endured all punishments that were rightfully ours, abolishing sin by becoming sin, and perfectly recapitulated the life of Adam by becoming the New Adam who did the inverse of what the first man had done, fully submitting to the will of God yet nonetheless being punished for sins He did not perform, thereby founding a new mankind in Himself.

            Also, modalism is false. Please acquaint yourself with proper Trinitarian theology:

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  11. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    how embarrassing for you OP

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