Is there any religious ideology more based than Iconoclasm?
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Is there any religious ideology more based than Iconoclasm?
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Just another form of proto-Protestantism.
>tfw your religion is so inconsequential that simply the mere presence of the superior Islamic theology forever btfo'd and led to its own self collapse.
you made images too, it was ubiquitous til the 16th century
right but it was understood that those were not intended for use in worship and were discouraged in general unless for more historical and/or practical purposes. That particular pic you have is one of the most liberal depictions of him probably in existence, but even with that Muhammad's face is not detailed.
>I stuffed for the Prophet a pillow decorated with pictures (of animals) which looked like a Namruqa (i.e. a small cushion). He came and stood among the people with excitement apparent on his face. I said, "O Allah's Apostle! What is wrong?" He said, "What is this pillow?" I said, "I have prepared this pillow for you, so that you may recline on it." He said, "Don't you know that angels do not enter a house wherein there are pictures; and whoever makes a picture will be punished on the Day of Resurrection and will be asked to give life to (what he has created)?" - Hadith -Bukhari 4:47, Narrated 'Aisha
>inb4 no I don’t accept that hadith
there’s a lot more
>for more historical and/or practical purposes
cop out, you either make them and get punished for it like your prophet says or you don’t
Relax bud, I'm not a Muslim. The point I was trying to make was that at least Muslims seem to be aware of the fact that images can be deceptive. It's impractical to institute a complete ban on all religious imagery as what exactly can be considered religious and to what extent is arbitrary. Iconoclasm and aniconism isn't a call for destruction of any art as a false depiction but a belief that an image cannot fully capture the true essence of the subject. The main concern should be to worship the actual creator and not some imperfect conception of him that was derived from man.
Realistically, you can't escape making pictures and images, but its nevertheless important to understand the nature of those images.
this was never mainstream. the bottom 1% on the fringes of society indulged in iconography. Among Christians, idol worship has always been mainstream and majority.
see here’s the problem, it’s excuse after excuse with you sandBlack folk. I was expecting you to say something like
>these were only used in really expensive books owned by rich families!
or
>only shia did this!!! (despite these being ottoman images)
now they’re the bottom of the barrel of society’s doings? okay. it’s easier to just admit the “no you are not allowed to paint pictures” bullshit wasn’t codified from the beginning. pic related
>inb4 ummayads did lots of haram stuff!!!
fricking so what??
>you paint picture that mean you worship it
that is ludicrous
>you can’t paint pictures cause people can’t be trusted to not worship them
no, sandBlack folk with 70 IQ can’t be trusted.
Just another form of proto-cistercianism
Rent-free
shut the frick up homosexual
>And again I said: Lord, and after that what wilt Thou do? And I heard a voice saying to me: Hear, righteous John. Then will I send forth mine angels over the face of all the earth, and they shall lift off the earth everything honourable, and everything precious, and the venerable and holy images, and the glorious and precious crosses, and the sacred vessels of the churches, and the divine and sacred books; and all the precious and holy things shall be lifted up by clouds into the air. And then will I order to be lifted up the great and venerable sceptre, on which I stretched forth my hands, and all the orders of my angels shall do reverence to it. And then shall be lifted up all the race of men upon clouds, as the Apostle Paul foretold. - Revelation of Saint John the Theologian aka Second Apocalypse of John
>inb4 no you can’t read that Anthansius who they literally called a manlet Black person who was exiled five times said you can’t!!!
It was just a provincial Byzantine attempt to make Christianity palatable to the Muslims, who severely outnumbered the Byzantines in the Dark Ages.
pagan gods are God's early cringe deviantart projects
Just another form of paleo-basedism
Iconoclasm is gay.
Not all images are graven.
> In the ḥadīth from Ibn Abī Najīh, from his father, from Ḥuwayṭab b. ʿAbd al-ʿUzzā and other than him, [it is narrated that]:
>when it was the day of Mecca’s conquest, the Messenger of God entered the House of God [i.e. the Kaaba] and commanded [that he be given] a garment. He made it wet with water and commanded that the images [inside the Kaba] be wiped out but he placed his hands on the image of Jesus and his mother and said: erase everything except for what is under my hands. Al-Azraqī narrated it.
so which is it? let me guess
>no I don’t accept that hadith!!!
lol
when you cope so hard you use a false hadith to make a point
>NOO!!! YOU CANT SAY THAT YOU MUST ACCEPT EVERY HADITH IN EXISTENCE!!
lol
i don’t accept that you don’t accept it i say it’s authentic
ok cool why is it authentic
Iconoclasm is gay and you are the only person shilling it on Oyish
>"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
Exodus 20:4 TMBA
Sounds pretty good.
that doesn’t mean what you think it means.
>Then the Lord said to Moses, Make a fiery serpent, and put it on a flag pole; and it shall come about, that everyone who is bitten, and looks at it, will live.”
>So Moses made a bronze serpent and put it on the flag pole; and it came about, that if a serpent bit someone, and he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived.
Idolatry and polytheism are metaphors, iconoclasm probably is too.
For example Abraham or Mohammed or both destroyed the idols in the Kabaa. That's metaphor. And possibly literal too. But it has a metaphorical meaning.