Is the God of the Old Testament really the same as the one in the New Testament? They feel like two completely different people at times.
Is the God of the Old Testament really the same as the one in the New Testament?
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Is the God of the Old Testament really the same as the one in the New Testament? They feel like two completely different people at times.
What do you mean?
The God of the Old Testament is a douche. He knew Eve was going to eat the apple so what was the point of the Garden in the first place? purposely strengthened Pharaoh's Heart. He's genocided multiple civilizations and allowed slavery.
New testament God seems a lot nicer.
>He knew Eve was going to eat the apple so what was the point of the Garden in the first place?
Actually, he actually planned both Adam and Eve to actually eat their fruit eventually. But they disobeyed and decided to eat it (Theosis) before they are ready. They chose death instead of God (Life).
>purposely strengthened Pharaoh's Heart.
Not him directly. Pharaoh hardened his own heart, and he blamed God.
>He's genocided multiple civilizations and allowed slavery.
He told mankind not to do it, and then mankind dissipate him.
>New testament God seems a lot nicer.
But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession.† And he kept back part of the proceeds, his wife also being aware of it, and brought a certain part and laid it at the apostles’ feet. But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.” Then Ananias, hearing these words, fell down and breathed his last. So great fear came upon all those who heard these things. (Acts 5:1-5)
>Not him directly. Pharaoh hardened his own heart, and he blamed God.
>He told mankind not to do it, and then mankind dissipated him.
Could you provide verses for these?
If I were to help a kid, who got angry that I helped him… did I made him angry? Yes.
>Not him directly. Pharaoh hardened his own heart, and he blamed God.
It's amazing how most complaints with the Bible go away when you realize it's not written by an omniscient narrator.
There's a book about the authors of the Old Testament. I still need to read it so I can't give a review on it yet.
Are you quoting a church father when you say that eating the apple would truly make men into gods if it was according to God's will? Seems easier to me to assume that the snake was lying entirely than only partly.
In a way the New Testament one is worse. Eternal suffering if you don't slavishly worship him is worse than Old Testament sheol.
>Eternal suffering if you don't slavishly worship him is worse than Old Testament sheol.
Sheol is just Death. Where people are either, Suffering in fire or protected in Abraham’s bosom. Then after that you are resurrected your choose to either to to hell or heaven. Those that hate God see Heaven as WORSE than hell.
Source?
The Church Fathers.
>implying Jesus' mentions of The Fire are not referring to Wheel of Samsara.
Actions follow actions, this is simply the law of karma. He personifies this law at times but that's merely to be in line of the conventions of his time and place (first century Levant)
John 12:46-47
>I have come as light into the world, that everyone who belives in me may not remain in darkness. And if anyone hears my sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world
John 8:15
>You people [the Pharisees] judge according to the flesh; I am not judging anyone
John 3:17-20
>For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him. He who believes in him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the judgement: that the light is come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their deeds were evil.
I have read here that apparently God changed his attitude towards humans after the great flood, The rainbow is like a sign of his new covenant that he is not going to kill humans again or something like that.
God changes his attitude? Isn't he supposed to be absolutely perfect?
>God doesn't kill humans anymore
How does he kills them now?
>They feel like two completely different people at times.
>people
check your baits before posting them, please
Old Testament God was the highest conception of Divinity that the Ancient Israelites knew of. Jesus was basically.a complete overhaul of OT religion. In fact, the theology in the earliest books of the OT is nearly as different from later OT books than the NT is from either of them. Man's perspective of Divinity evolves with times and culture, generally forward, but is sometimes regressive.
>inb4 somebody mentions Matthew 5:17-18
Keep reading the rest of that chapter and you'll see what he's actually doing elucidating, or refining, the Old Law, extracting the essential meaning in several examples, while leaving behind unnecessary rigidity or literalness.
For more info, compare also Mt 12:3-8, 12:46-50, 22:37-39; Jn 13:34-35 15:17; 1Cor 10-23.
>two people
Heresy.
God is 3 persons.
Absurd
I hear the phrase : "Jesus love you" a lot.
But was willing to knowingly be put to death because he loved God above all.
I cannot reconcile the two.
Matthew 9:30
Then he touched their eyes and said, “According to your faith let it be done to you”; and their sight was restored. Jesus warned them sternly, “See that no one knows about this.” But they went out and spread the news about him all over that region.
Huh.... So what does that mean? Given that they defied the son of god and spread what happened everywhere. Even wrote a book about it.