Back then virginity was one of the most basic requirements for both parts and even if they somehow lost it before marriage it was to that same partner they were supposed to which resulted in a marriage quickly after that. Now that virginity is demonized and people try to have as much different partners as possible, how is it even possible to become a Christian anymore? Yes, there were exceptions who lived a similar life but they were exactly that, an anomaly for their time while now it's not just normal but required and they had to endure extreme suffering to redeem themselves, they didn't feel that just accepting the fate made them born again and continued to live like nothing happened.
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virginity was never a prereq lol. one of the saints was literally a former prostitute.
St Augustine of Hippo fricked around a lot as well.
Did you even read the whole post, I explained that.
Also most people married really young so they were virgins shorter than most incels today
Just dont succumb to popular culture made by degenerates and meant to be consumed by normies? Just because most people do something that doesnt mean you need to do it aswell
I think a lot of you have testosterone deficiencies. The idea that you need to be conditioned to want to have sex with women is highly abnormal. You should be sexually attracted to women if you’re straight male.
Wanting to have sex with women is perfectly normal, its one of our most basic urges together with eating food, drinking water, pissing and shitting
Surrendering yourself to your urges and desires is degenerate behavior though. It means you cannot control yourself and think rationally, and cannot resist the urge to have sex before marriage or watch porn or whatever
>Surrendering yourself to your urges and desires is degenerate behavior though. It means you cannot control yourself and think rationally
Plenty of men smarter than you and more in control of themselves than you are have sex outside of marriage. Not having sex clearly has negative effects on your stress levels and psychological state.
Get control over your delusions please.
wow and guilt from extramarital affairs has no repercussions whatsoever, incredible
Sex outside of marriage as in sex with women when you aren’t married.
Why would a single man feel guilty over fricking single women?
The untold millions of souls they destroy. Abortion is murder, and extramarital, non procreative sex and masturbation are genocidal. If you could see the souls of all the children that you destroyed that haunt you, crying out for satisfaction, you would be unable to see the sun.
>haploid sperm cells are full humans
>implying your sperm cells aren’t dying and being recycled on a regular basis regardless of ejaculation
Your stance is so insane that not even the church takes it
Are you moronic? Are you aware 300,000,000 sperm cells die every time you have sex? Why would superm have souls.
If abortion is murder then jerking off every day makes me literally worse than Mao, Stalin, Hitler, and Misc Pot combined and then multiplied by 10,000.
>Not having sex clearly has negative effects on your stress levels and psychological state.
If you're a incel who's obsessed with sex maybe. Tons of priests and monks do just fine without having sex.
I genuinely believe sexuality is mostly socially conditioned and arbitrary. The instinctive drive is minor since you need to have sex very few times in your life to reproduce successfully, making it a constant need is a cultural disease and actively unnatural. It is clear to me that men who are not socialised in this way do not think about sex this way, or at all.
>The instinctive drive is minor since you need to have sex very few times in your life to reproduce successfully,
Not how evolution works. Humans have sex for fun like several other of the most intelligent mammals. We don’t even need to be in heat to want it.
Yes if you’re a man who isn’t over 40 or 50 who doesn’t have an active libido there is a good chance you have a testosterone problem.
The things we do for fun are cultural variables. It is not impossible for us to have fun without having sex and there are definitely cultures who do not use sex actively, though saying one way or the other is inherently more natural is disingenuous. This is not universal behaviour though.
>Yes if you’re a man who isn’t over 40 or 50 who doesn’t have an active libido there is a good chance you have a testosterone problem.
Highly masculine anti-sexual cultures like ancient Germanics clearly contradict this.
>The things we do for fun are cultural variables
Sex feels so good that people have trouble not vocalizing pleasure noises while doing it. Tacitus had propagandistic intentions and still the justification for restricting sex was to make their warriors insane with bloodlust
>Sex feels so good that people have trouble not vocalizing pleasure noises while doing it
For men vocalisations are clearly conditioned, seeing as in the West they are traditionally considered undesirable entirely and not done. Women are a bit different and aren't in the scope of my argument, I'd grant them having more of a sex drive, but I believe male sexual behaviour is naturally much more subdued than current culture mandates.
>Tacitus had propagandistic intentions
The implication of this that low male sexuality is considered virtuous even among Romans is telling.
>and still the justification for restricting sex was to make their warriors insane with bloodlust
No, actually it was amusingly similar to modern day nofap/semen retention schizoscience on this website.
>For men vocalisations are clearly conditioned, seeing as in the West they are traditionally considered undesirable entirely and not done.
Men make noises during sex anon, especially at climax. It’s involuntary and generally has to be suppressed to not occur
The same can be said for pissing but it's still conditioned behaviour that will vary culturally.
>Face it, you're unironically low T and need to go see a doctor.
This has nothing to do with me, I hold this position rather unintuitively against the rest of my life. I am not a Christian either. Do you have studies for "sex dreams" in low-sexuality cultures? This would be tough data to gather considering global cultural homogeneity these days, the best place to look would be hunter-gatherers.
The drive is absolutely not as strong as eating which it is constantly being compared to in this culture and even in this thread. If you have a culture and social dynamics that encourage/enforce sex, that is good enough even without instincts directly for it.
>ummm sweaty maybe hunter-gatherers don't have wet dreams if they don't cum for a while
moron.
Without evidence to the contrary my assumption would be that they likely have it at a far lower rate.
Studies show that the rate at which men have wet dreams drastically increases when they supplement test.
It can still correlate with test. There are many behaviours that are both hormonally and culturally influenced.
True. In highly competitive societies which grow so large that not all people know each other anymore, there sometimes arise cultural phenomena which discourage people from acting based on their biological drives.
You're still low T if you don't have a libido though.
My actual backstory is that I was a horny teenager who jerk offd so much that I became a sexual nihilist. I believe I probably wouldn't have cared much if I had grown up in a different environment, and I seem to observe it in other people. I also think the current culture is toxic while the Germans of Tacitus were right for the wrong reasons.
No I oppose nofap, they just coincidentally had much the same idea back then.
>I was a horny teenager who jerk offd so much that I became a sexual nihilist.
Incels, every single fricking time.
Got nothing to do with incels, in fact I view them as a notable evil caused by this whole culture. Their entire state is defined by basing their entire lives and self-worth on sex and accepting the supposed naturality of this at face value. There are hardly more pathetic humans than them.
That's a bizarre reach. Have you considered why you approached this conversation with hostility, instead of a differing viewpoint to engage with?
>That's a bizarre reach.
You literary just admitted it in your other post, how am i reaching.
>I was a horny teenager who jerk offd so much that I became a sexual nihilist.
That doesn't sound like a regular experience at all.
>Have you considered why you approached this conversation with hostility, instead of a differing viewpoint to engage with?
Im not being hostile, you said you had some kind of abnormal experience with your own libido. Even if i was being hostile its still true. People dont normally grow up to say the are "sexual nihilist" and then go around recalling the "highly masculine anti-sexual cultures like ancient Germanics".
>You literary just admitted it in your other post
????
>That doesn't sound like a regular experience at all.
My conclusion that the sexual activity was essentially pointless is unusual, sure, but to insert some "trauma" into this is absurd and a cheap attempt to discredit a contrary perspective. In general, when you partake in conversations like this, you should imagine what it would look like if the other side were correct, as a conversational skill. Because in this case for example it looks like hysterical ad hominem, and is hardly signalling good faith.
>People dont normally grow up to say the are "sexual nihilist" and then go around recalling the "highly masculine anti-sexual cultures like ancient Germanics".
People don't normally grow up to become Oyish posters so this goes without saying. Surely you will not insist to me that you are a highly well-adjusted normie?
I don't think pornography is the big problem as much as male social value heavily relying on sexuality in formative years, as this clearly stunts a huge part of the population. I don't consider myself the biggest victim of this but it surely applies to much of the board. I believe the main motivator for males to have sex/seek partners is to gain social approval, not instinct.
>I believe the main motivator for males to have sex/seek partners is to gain social approval, not instinct.
Yeah mate that must be why the human penis literally gets damaged if you don't experience regular erections.
As a kid I had erections just as a kind of automatic thing. I still do in some situations even when I'm not aroused at all, like in the morning or when sitting for a long time occasionally.
Yeah anon that's your body keeping your wiener in shape so that you can have sex throughout the year as humans are naturally wont to do.
"Can" is again a very different situation from "supposed to".
You're basically like a lardass arguing that people don't actually feel hunger in the wild because the gluttony that lead to his obesity is partially socially conditioned.
This equation between fricking and eating is really quite disturbing.
Why? Both are basic biological urges.
Eating is clearly far more important as an immediate survival necessity while fricking is just a broad evolutionary incentive. Even according to the opposing narrative in this thread, most sex by humans is done for vague recreational reasons. This might apply to eating to an extent too, but I doubt that's the intent here.
That's irrelevant. It's a basic biological drive that you think is a social construct because you fried your brain by jerking off to porn.
If it weren't for the readily available evidence that cultures less sexual than this one exist, even as subcultures within this one, you might have a point. For demonstration, do you believe that the general libido could possibly be any lower without the species going extinct, or is it already at the minimal level? Would we benefit from it being higher?
Sounds like you traumatized yourself somehow and now blame that on regular libido people have?
Being horny and fricking pretty women =/= gooning to hardcore pornography. Of course the latter is culturally conditioned, but that has nothing to do with the simple fact that, unlike many other mammals, healthy humans have a libido throughout the entire year.
That can be generally true and still be compatible with the statement that current culture is exaggeratedly sexual and the promoted behaviour does not entirely arise from instincts.
That's not what you were saying at the start. So again, no shit that that most fetishes, porn, fashion, "courting rituals" and so on are culturally conditioned. That doesn't change the fact that grug will want to frick on the regular even without all that fluff.
A healthy man will have a sex dream and cum while sleeping if he hasn't had an orgasm recently. Dogs don't work like that, and neither do b***hes have monthly periods.
Face it, you're unironically low T and need to go see a doctor.
How many Christians on this board who hate sex have some sort of androgen problem?
Tbh it could be other health problems too. My libido was shot when I was a heavy smoker and did no cardio.
>Highly masculine anti-sexual cultures like ancient Germanics clearly contradict this.
I looked this up and the first thing i found was no fap. Is this some MGTOW thing you have going on here?
Anon is that was true no one would be here, some primotive protohuman species would have gone extinct. The drive to reproduce is huge because it is a key part in how species continue.
Back when?
When the only entertainments were violence, drunkenness and sex?
>virginity was one of the most basic requirements for both parts
Do what?
>Back then virginity was one of the most basic requirements for both parts and even if they somehow lost it before marriage it was to that same partner they were supposed to which resulted in a marriage quickly after that.
On what do you base this? I think you're just guessing. Christianity was directed at people who were pieces of shit in all sorts of ways. Including fornicators.
So you're trying to say that they generally used to live like we do now?
Why think otherwise?
Because it was more valued back then as they lived in smaller communities.
Virginity may have been more valued back then, but people were still sleeping around all the time. Prostitution was literally legal in much of medieval Christian Europe.
So things are the same as back then?
This might be a dumb question but if you Jack off does that still make you a virgin? Also does God really give a shit if you frick around considering the time God allowed virgin girls to be raped by those dudes
You don’t have to be a virgin to be Christian you absolute moron.
But you need to be able to read to try to disprove me.
What are the odds we get to heaven and it turns out Gods based as frick and hooks us up with hot girls.
Repeat after me: "There is no god but TheGod"
Most people can become Christian and go to heaven even with extramarital sex, don't worry.
No such thing as male virgin. Virginity is physical. Men are disposable, and not all of them are destined to pass on their genes. There's always more men being born than women
That was the thinking of the social engineers who followed a plan developed by Wilhelm Reich, himself inspired by the psychopath and quintessential liberal, de Sade, to level the remnant of Christendom by way of mass sexual corruption under the guise of liberty, the devil's oldest trick.
>Time called this new "sex-affirming culture" the "second sexual revolution" – the first having occurred in the 1920s, "when flaming youth buried the Victorian era and anointed itself as the Jazz Age". In contrast, the children of the 1960s had little to rebel against and found themselves, Time commented, "adrift in a sea of permissiveness", which it attributed to Reich's philosophy: "Gradually, the belief spread that repression, not licence, was the great evil, and that sexual matters belonged in the realm of science, not morals." In 1968, student revolutionaries graffitied Reichian slogans, and in Berlin copies of The Mass Psychology of Fascism were hurled at police. At the University of Frankfurt, '68ers were advised: "Read Reich and Act Accordingly!"
source:
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/jul/08/wilhelm-reich-free-love-orgasmatron
I also recommend a study of Aquinas' decription of "the daughters of lust" to truly understand the severity of the problem. We basically have a society of coomers with their brains melted and scrambled like a ham and cheese omelet.