Is it possible to figure out the correct religion?
I feel quite guilty for being frustrated with God; everyone says we're created for some higher purpose and should believe. Sure, but when there are all these differences it's quite paralyzing. To make a metaphor, how can I start swimming when everyone says the ocean is in a different place?
I feel very jealous of people who have experienced theophanies or some big conversion experience. I haven't had that. I've read the scripture of various religions and have felt that 'good' feeling, so I cant trust that, either.
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There are over 6,000 religions in the world, and most people stick to the religion they were born into. That alone should tell you that its all bullshit. Be an agnostic, deist, or apatheist if you must
>That alone should tell you that its all bullshit.
>A universal and constant historical present in a Biological system is "bullshit".
Youre like one of those Biologists that says an animals does something for "purely arbirary reasons or no reason at all".
Youre full of bullshit and LITERALLY every single opinion yu have is wrong. 100% of them, even "objective facts" are only correct in MY interpretations of their definitions, it you define the word/phrase it will be utterly incorrect.
Everyone is born an atheist, there is no biological basis for religion, its just social dogma no different than fidget spinners
A true naturalist would realize the value of many different individuals seemingly arbitrarily picking different spots within a social system, it's just the nature of humanity and how we structure continuously organize groups and subgroups.
That said, anyone who questions this system is in the atheistic group by nature, most religious people don't actually go out of their way to justify their beliefs to themselves, they just fit.
Well yeah, humans love making observations about the world, but our intuitions are not always initially correct, so they need to be revised, thats the core of what makes science different from religion (and I mean real classical science, not your strawman popsci)
>Everyone is born an atheist.
no they are not, just like everything else, atheism is taught
You’d have a point if there were universally cohesive practices or behaviours when it came to religion. If humans naturally eat their dead and dance around trees but they also might consider that bad and have church services where they eat stale crackers and grape juice, or pull out a human heart amd throw their body down the stairs clearly there’s no consistency. If humanity requires religion clearly specific practices don’t matter much and if God exists and made us to be religious clearly he doesn’t care how we are religious.
So run around naked in a wolf pelt smacking women with sticks or dunk a baby in a river or starve yourself to death in a sealed up well or run around a building with a rock inside of it. It clearly doesn’t matter what you do religiously.
>Is it possible to figure out the correct religion?
Yes. But the answer is going to frustrate you. You just need to have a genuine religious experience, ideally a series of them. It is not exactly the sort of thing you can force. I personally got lucky I guess.
Sorry bud if you are questioning this hard it's already over. You might as well go to the evangelical cool church next to the buffalo wild wings because all the exotic meme religions are going to be slowly infiltrated by converts and eaten from within anyway. World's going to shit, the sin is catching up with us. Everything you and I have done is being measured against us. Kali Yuga babyyyy.
The world has always been shit. Things have gotten worse over time due to increasing technology allowing for greater evil to be done more often and to more people, with ever smaller amounts of effort. The amount of evil is basically a constant, it is just that we have been making things that serve to intensify that evil.
*tips fedora* *upvotes*
Start small, try taking care of yourself physically.
superstitious thinking is not helpful no matter what kind of brand you put on it
So people shouldn't believe that atoms exist by that logic since they're quite literally a modern superstition that can't be objectively proven.
Except belief in atoms allows us to consistently perform “miracles”, objectively. Belief in Jesus Christ doesn’t, at least not in the same way (spiritual miracles only)
The correct religion is this:
Love thy neighbor as thyself
The correct religion is actually a form of soft-henotheism, centered on the worship of a solar deity. But keep trying!
There probably isn't one religion that gets everything right but you can at least eliminate the obviously incorrect ones.
Most abrahamic faiths for an example contradict themselves and don't pass basic logic problems like the epicurian paradox.
That leaves Buddhism, Hinduism, Gnosticism, Sufism, Mandaeism and some others. Ironically these religions have a lot of similarities to each other. I might leave out Hinduism personally because it's similar to Christianity and Islam in that it lends itself well to building empires and enslaving mankind which makes me suspicious of it.
Start reading, debating, listening anything you can. It's a difficult journey. good luck anon.
>Most abrahamic faiths for an example contradict themselves and don't pass basic logic problems like the epicurian paradox.
Logic is for gays.
Only morons and midwits let paradoxes get in the way of their spiritual growth.
>Only morons use logic
Fair enough but that delegitimizes any act of violence or control any religious institution has ever committed since there is no logic to support their argument
>abrahamism is incorrect
>anyway dude you totally gotta check out sufism
I said most abrahamic faiths
Sone sufi sects had a demiurge
> I've read the scripture of various religions and have felt that 'good' feeling, so I cant trust that, either.
Why would you?
"The heart is deceitful above all things"
Every religion admits that there was a time before revelation, where people either lived in ignorance or only a few elect had any relationship with God. Why not believe that the one true religion has not yet been revealed and that we're still in dark times? Isn't it presumptuous to believe that Truth has already arrived?
Jesus Christ is the truth
Absolutely. The correct religion is Jesus Christ.
Y'all follow me. Or y'all go to hell.
Yo, frickoff God, yo.
> Gives "free will"
> Choose me or I will throw you to hell for the rest of your unlife.
> Gives "free will"
> Choose me or I will throw you to hell for the rest of your unlife.
Jesus often spoke in metaphor, to be cast into hell is to most likely be separated and mercifully erased from existence after death having lived this mortal life according to your own desires. God will gladly let you dig your own hole. Don't be upset when at your deathbed you don't see the light and you definitely don't hear anyone calling your name. I know this is hard, but you'll have to stop reading everything without the context or nuance
> Jesus often spoke in metaphor, to be cast into hell is to most likely be separated and mercifully erased from existence after death
Except now “hell” doesn’t seem that bad anymore, so all the more reason to not believe.
I respect your choice to die
>Is it possible to figure out the correct religion?
There is no "correct" religion. Humans don't understand the Universe because we don't understand it. That's as simple as it gets. We are here to appreciate, not understand.
God is one thing, Christianity is another
Search the scriptures, they hold the secrets of eternal life. You can have peace with God
>correct religion
God I hate you monotheistic scum for making this a thing
Good morning sir
The most brilliant and ingenious philosophers and theologians throughout history have widely and perennially disagreed about which religion is true. If you consider that, along with how many factors must be taken into account when evaluating the claims of a religion - history, science, philosophy, etc. - way too many for any one person to be an expert in them all, and the massive amount of disagreement that exists in these relevant fields, the chances that you have figured it out will be extremely low. At the very least, any religious beliefs you have ought to be treated as highly provisional and defeasible.
That's my opinion at least.
It's not exceedingly difficult if you can learn to separate religion from God. If you're too busy trying to make things fit into a box of the religion you want things to be, you're going to be disappointed. I would start by not worshipping a racial supremacist god of another people. Then listen for God to speak to you in the ways you have always known that he does.
I think maybe the right approach to religion is not through a doctrine or any kind of belief. If God and/or spiritual things exist, we probably can't understand them rationally anyway, so there are probably no true propositions we can make about these things. If you care about religion, then you should just try to live a spiritual life and try your best to be in touch with the divine through experience, not through beliefs.
God is real but just like everything else, religion is designed to keep you from God. Just read scriptures, read histories, do your own research, search and pray. If you are looking for someone to follow blindly, you will never find truth.
For most people it is a lifelong journey. As Jesus says, "Seek and you will find. Knock and it will be opened." Religion is such a complex topic that if you think you understand it completely, then you very likely don't understand enough. Despite the differences, most religions agree on some basic things like morality, the goodness of God, fate or a divine plan, etc. Instead of being jealous of people who had a divine experience, you should ask them to share a recollection of those experiences with you, and there are plenty of books doing exactly that.
Yeah, check out NDEs. And check out pic related if you doubt them, as it proves even to hardcore skeptics that they are real.
Of course they are real. We can trigger them in a lab by signaling the right part of the brain. The real question is if they represent anything more than the brain throwing together images and sounds under stress. The answer is probably not.
Take you meds
If you inwardly believe in the articles of faith pertinent to a particular religion and then outwardly announce yourself as a believer of that religion it follows that that is your religion.
So, what do you believe in?
obviously the religion that worships picrel
Since you're coming from a place of mind then you need to seriously delve into theology and examine the impact of how viewing God shapes the understanding of the world.
>I've read the scripture of various religions
Great, compare and contrast on what they claim God's nature and character is. You will find the truth if you seek it in earnest.
My issue is that I don't really have a criterion for my understanding of God.
Sure, a lot of people agree that he's vaguely 'good' and 'imminent' but I'm kind of stuck. Either it's sola fide or faith and works, and I'm not smart enough to figure it out without a teacher. But, even if I concluded something, the rest of humanity will say I'm going to hell. So, how can I ever trust my teachers in the first place?
The steps of a man are established by the Lord, when he delights in his way; though he fall, he shall not be cast headlong, for the Lord upholds his hand.
The "teachers" don't know either, all you're ever going to get are people spouting vague platitudes and you-will-know-eventuallies because that's also what they've heard all their lives. People just need to learn to say and accept that they will never know everything.
I could explain certain facets of God's nature and character
>ex, all knowing, all powerful, all loving
But that wouldn't be helpful because you have to experience God and have Him reveal Himself to you else you will not fully 'know' God, for you can only know someone you have known. You should pray that God will reveal Himself to you.
Yes/ There can only be 1 God that is above all else, or else whoever was above him would be the one above all else. So praying and worshipping The Most High God is fail-proof. The One Who Is The Most High God is the one will receive your worship and prayers.
>There can only be 1 God that is above all else
Why? Why not 100 Gods above everyone else? Or why not everything being God at once?
By logic and definition, there can only be one creator, one that is the highest. Even twin brothers have an older one by minutes.
One "creator" is not a logical conclusion, and no Aristotle's prime mover argument wasn't about the creation of the universe nor did it do a good job explaining planetary motion.
Do you know how to count? You start from 0 and the next number is 1, then 2 then 3. You dont go from 0 to 100.
I can't tell if you actually tried to make a point or if you just wanted a self-own by straight up saying the universe started with nothing aka zero.
He has always been. He created all others, heavenly and earthly.
>By logic and definition, there can only be one creator
According to what logic? Why couldn't there be 100 creators, all working together?
First you would need to know if god is real (you can't)
Yes, it's as easy as 2+2=4
God isn't real, religion isn't real, it's a coping mechanism we collectively made up to put up with the overwhelming fact that we aren't as special as we think we are.
Very few can stand reality without the god cope.
>God isn't real, religion isn't real, it's a coping mechanism we collectively made up to put up with the overwhelming fact that we aren't as special as we think we are.
>Very few can stand reality without the god cope.
Why do atheists get off in believing that humans aren't special? It's like some kind of bizarre masochistic kink.
He’s pointing out that Christians have a comforting delusion
>Why do atheists get off in believing that humans aren't special?
In what way are we special? We aren't actually morally above animals and we still shit, piss, cum and vomit.
I think the whole point of it is : You are small.
Not just small in a infinite expanse. "yeah - we get to conquer the galaxy!"
But that infinate expanse is stored somewhere, and is the size of a walnut.
Personally, whatever works/benefits you the most.
You would not be any closer to finding definitive answers or consensus than other more intelligent, career-oriented, and solely dedicated people who have tried to answer for thousands of years.
Religion is only the first step toward knowledge of god. There will be point in your development where whatever religion you picked, you will have to discard in order to advance further.
Religion is a launchpad, a staging point for spiritual development. In the end it too is nothing more than a tether, a worldly attachment that must be laid aside after its usefulness is done.
Don’t worry so much about picking the right one. If you genuinely desire to know god then he will guide you exactly where you need to go. He will not abandon you just because you picked the “wrong” one he will always bring you where you need to be if your intentions are good. It is actually not possible to “pick the wrong one” if your intentions are good.
Pick anyone you want. Follow it. But never get attached to it because like I said whatever you picked you will eventually have to leave when you develop past a certain point.
You don’t even need to pick one either, if you want god to take notice of you and help all you need to do is have an honest genuine desire for him in your heart. I’m telling you that really is all you need.
Religion is needed at the beginning because your lost and confused and it can give a a solid foundation. But you will eventually see it for what it is and move beyond it. Not because it’s inherently bad but because by then it will no longer necessary for you.
it's not a goal worth striving
for me, i know God exists and is the author of creation, which both this and the worlds above/below
i don't subscribe to current heliocentric/globe earth model, so i, at least personally, could never accept the idea of nihilism or atheism or any "blackpilled" cringe-osophy as true
as for knowing true "religion" i think that you could never be sure, for me, i think Christianity, in some quite different form than the mainstream one, is the most true and would tell us the most info we can gather in this life
After that, we will know for sure
>my understanding of how the earth, sky and space works is that of an Iron Age farmer slave
>anyway Christianity seems to make the most sense
Understanding of how space works? That's what the Bible is teaching you? Aerial mechanics? Ahahahahaaha
seethe harder globoid
Religion is inherently tied to your very dna and race, do not listen to what globalist egalitarian Abrahamists have fed you
Look to what your early ancestors practiced
this is why God made psychedelics
everyone i know who has done ayahuasca has basically said the same thing: this world and everything we do is essentially meaningless in the afterlife. maybe christian settlers were right to call that shit demonic because it hand waves all evil and i've never heard a single explanation from them as to why this experience exists in the first place.
the human experience
I've done many psychedelics and I've never felt like that. mostly it just helps me to see the divine behind everything, and appreciate it. which leads to spiritual seeking.
>Is it possible to figure out the correct religion?
Stop overthinking things.
Just find a religion that feels right and go with it.
>What if I'm wrong.
Then you're wrong, just like the rest of the people in the world that follow the wrong religion. You need to let go of the arrogant idea that you, little old you, will single handedly figure out the mysteries of the universe and find the right path. When you think about it, you're basically putting yourself in the shoes of Buddha and Jesus and assuming that you have the ability to recognize the most virtuous path in life.
Find someplace you fit in, and do the best you can, anything more than that is hubris.
You'll have to try them out. Start with the ones that make the most sense.
no
Jesus said it would be easy and it is: simply seek God with all your heart, mind and strength and you will find Him, like the rays of sun at the end of a long, dark cave. Love Goodness, love Truth, and love Beauty. Picrel and Godspeed.
If you look into the philosophy behind all you will eventually find that some form of Christianity is the best. Past that just seek Christ as best you can.
Protip: It's Christianity
THANK YOU LORD FOR SAVING MY SOUL
Anon, no one here knows the answer. And the only ones who claim they do are blinded by their own hubris.
We as mortal beings are cursed and blessed with the ability to observe and question. We always want to know the how, the why, the when and where, and who. But even when we get the answers we end up with more questions anyway.
Man has written our own books and guides to the spirit world, and maybe all of them are true, or maybe none are.
It's a non answer, but that's because in my opinion, there is no close and definite answer.
Monotheistis will say ''no it was MY god who made this all and anyone else is wrong''
Polytheists will more often than not just wave it off and say ''ah well that was just your culture's point of view, but we both say the same thing in essence''
Neither can be proven as fact, or as the only way. That would remove the function of faith entirely.
It pisses me off that it's impossible (or at least I haven't done so) to prove it when the consequence is either an eternity of being recycled through incarnations, nothing, or hell. If I mess up and it's hell, then I'm doomed
Don’t mess up then. If you’re worried about hell then be Catholic, confess your sins, and take holy communion frequently, preferably more than once per week.
not all religions are in conflict with one another, there is a bright and shining thread of existence that binds all of us together. the love of many smaller deities is merely a shattering of God into many facets. pray to God, feel the relief in your heart, and do not worry the details. the right religion will come to you in due time.
The supernatural does not exist. That makes it easy or difficult, depending.
It's not Abrahamism in general or Christcuckery in particular! You make your own personal purpose to have meaning in your life. Guilting is part of Conversion ~ do yourself a favor and don't accept it on any level. Do "Step on a crack, break your mother's back!" tier hreats have any reality? Is it a warning or a threat? It's a bogus threat, and so is the Christcuck Hell! Don't devote your whole life to avoiding a baseless threat!
I think you know in your conscience that John the Baptist’s and later Christ’s call to repentance is not “guilting” neither is it a “threat” it’s a compassionate sharing of the truth of God’s grace and justice.
religions are made up by the priests after the founder died, usually they argue amongst eachother about what he really taught and diverge from that into imaginary beliefs based on the different philosophies and religions they encounter around them.
>Your rituals won't save you. Read the Bible (KJV).
I'm Catholic but this is true, now more than ever as we see our institutions collapsing all around us more and more into a regime of anti-Christ, if not the reign of Antichrist, which we can't really know yet. What will save us is a close, loving relationship with God where we put away the baggage and fear and fully trust in Him, ever open to stirrings of the Holy Spirit.
Godbless
I'm a hypocrite for saying I don't know the answer and neither do you?
Without using the Bible as proof, explain how you know for sure that your religion is the only one that's correct, and that all others are wrong.
Ohhhh janny! Look at the state of this board, this shitty copypaste bait thread has been up since last year!
Haha, just joshing you bud. But seriously, why not turn a new leaf and actually delete this obnoxious, unproductive, endlessly rehashed slop instead of passing into your own mouth all day?