If I were an ancient human and saw lightning and rainbows, I would invent God, too

If I were an ancient human and saw lightning and rainbows, I would invent God, too

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah for sure. I get why they were religious back then. Now not so much.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Now not so much.
      How do you justify the rules of logic, sense of self. consciousness, orderliness of the universe and the past, the future, ought is problem? (materialism cant)

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >If I were an ancient human and saw lightning and rainbows, I would invent God, too
    are you claiming that lightning and rainbows invented god then?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      no, I’m just saying lightning and rainbows would be a pretty strong catalyst for those ideas. The smartest and wisest men would have had absolutely no idea how they happened. When people asked them, they probably didn’t want to say “I dunno” so they came up with God. And the people were like “woah, tell us more about these gods” so the guy said “yeah so you need to stop being a shithead and give us priests 10% of your income.” Obviously the details aren’t perfect but you get the idea

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        damn, just like today with scientists
        and we're no closer to answering life's big questions. really big think

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          yeah just imagine if we didn’t have social media for people to spread criticisms of modern science. Everyone would be triple vaxxed and wearing their maskies.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >and we're no closer to answering life's big questions
          What?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            like, what is your fate? where do u go when u die? what is the right thing to do, what is good and evil? what is consciousness and what is a human being really? what are we really doing... and if the answer is "nothing" why does the question exist?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            When you die you die, good and evil are moral judgments and morality is a social instinct to keep and maintain social behavior which has a downstream interpretation by culture. Sometimes individuals can spread ideas that things people were doing fit into their conception of wrong or right

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            that's just as reductive as goddunnit

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            All that matters is if it aligns with the facts

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            but something that vague can align with many different scenarios to the point of being just as useless as goddunnit

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It evolved, all social mammals have some degree of moral behavior where they treat the group as themselves/ a part of the same unit. Oxytocin is one component of the mechanism, activating pro-social behavioral circuits

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            which part of the Talmud is this from?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I see a white flag

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            nah. you can only list abstract, unsatisfying descriptions of phenomena. It's actually a step back from goddunnit

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Scientists don’t get paid shit, moron

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            They're the intellectual equivalent of a priesthood. Obviously our society is atheist and that includes not believing in science for most

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        God does cause lightning though. The form of lightning is in the mind of God and apprehended by mortals as lightning.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >no, I’m just saying lightning and rainbows would be a pretty strong catalyst for those ideas
        then those ideas must be god then, right?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          they would have invented religion regardless. There are plenty of mysterious phenomena in the world, like rain, fire, dreams, death, the existence of life and all the various species of life, earthquakes, hurricanes, eclipses, the stars, sneezing, etc.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            i dont really understand what you mean, it would be easier for me if you answered my question

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            NTA
            Thunders and earthquakes, drought and whatever are a proof that God exists, because only a mighty being can make them.
            They are not God, but usually made from them and mainly God's can wield them.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >did lightning invent God?
            your question is moronic. Anyone with an IQ above 95 can understand what I’m saying

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Anyone with an IQ above 95 can understand what I’m saying
            then you'd have to be able to tell me, right?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            …he said you should already understand, and he’s right. And if you can’t then debating with you would be a waste of time.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            either answer my question or admit that you can't, this is just a waste of time.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You wasted everyone’s time the second you said you thought it was lightning that created gods from reading the op.
            It’s like those rides where you can’t get on if you’re below a certain height.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >it was lightning that created gods from reading the op
            no, according to op, it was the idea caused by lightning, but this would lead one to believe that the idea is god

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Op is saying if you lived back before modern knowledge, seeing lightning would make you think a super powerful god-like being created it.
            Ideas are ideas, not gods. If you’re saying god is a type of idea then I agree, but ideas are also just in peoples heads

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >seeing lightning would make you think a super powerful god-like being created it
            i see, this would mean god is not inherent to the lightning wouldnt it? so is god defined by it?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It would mean they thought gods created the lighting. Feel like this shouldn’t need to be explained

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >gods created the lighting
            so god is independent of lightning, contrary to what op mentioned?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            you were genetically predetermined to be a Christian, you are so moronic

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            are you conceding ops statement? if not, it would be required for you to demonstrate the contrary

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    it's a fun example because lightning is very hard to study due to its speed and randomness

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Well, they didn't. By the mid 20th century most scholars agree that religion and gods were not in fact induced to explain natural phenomena. A lightning is a good example:
    >>>>Wtf was that?
    >>>Zeus was angry
    >>Ok so... wtf was that?
    >Idk actually

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      It’s a spark of static electricity moving between ionized (charged) areas, hope this helps.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks! How would that help?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      doesn’t change the fact that their understanding of the world was mostly “god did it” and that’s why they invented god in the first place. Even without god, humans invent all sorts of wacky theories to explain something they don’t understand. That happens even in science

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >their understanding of the world was mostly “god did it”
        Which is no understanding at all so it obviously wasn't the reason.

        It's like me saying "they invented gods to have bowling buddies, yeah I know inventing gods doesn't actually produce bowling buddies, but that's why they did it"...

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Which is no understanding at all so it obviously wasn't the reason.
          It’s called being wrong

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            They weren't wrong in their explanations. They literally had no explanation. Again, see the bowling buddy example.

            the understanding is “it’s magic from a god that’s beyond our understanding, now let’s worship him so he won’t be angry with us”

            Your cope is hilarious

            >the explanation is it's beyond explanation
            >btw gods
            Not quite there, Anon. Care to try again?

            Please refer me to a single theist who has said
            >god created the universe
            >but we still don’t know how!!
            >how DID he create it from nothing??! We must investigate it!
            no, they all just say “god did it”

            >refer me
            Georges Lemaître. The Big Bang theory was precisely an investigation into how God created the universe, since there was no actual explanation.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            The Big Bang says nothing about how matter came into existence in the first place. We’re able to study background radiation but at the moment we can’t explain why the Big Bang happened in the first place. And that’s where theists say “it’s magic, god did it, scientists will never understand it”

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You asked me for a theist who felt the need to investigate. Georges did. I didn't claim he figured it out to the very end. But his research aimed to answer precisely the process of creation.
            Not sure where he cited magic.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I specifically wrote
            >how did he create it from nothing
            The Big Bang doesn’t answer that. No theist is concerned with how god creates matter from nothing. It’s just beyond our understanding, and that’s that. You know this is true. This is exactly how ancient humans understood lightning, at least the majority of them

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I know it doesn't answer that. Again I didn't claim he figured it out to the very end. But his research was aimed to investigate it. And that was your goalpost.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            > And that was your goalpost.
            It literally wasn’t and I already re-iterated that I specifically wrote “how did he create it from nothing” which is the question of today. Theists make fun of atheists for thinking the universe just popped into existence but the theist explanation is that it popped into existence because god wanted it to. Which is no more of an explanation than “lightning exists because god angry” or “rainbows exist because god sad.” Ancient humans were content with this understanding in the same way that modern theists are content with “god just created the universe from nothing.”

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            [...]

            refer me to a single theist who has said
            >>>how DID he create it from nothing??! We must investigate it!
            This was met.

            >Ancient humans were content with this understanding
            They very well might have been. It's still not an explanation.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            > It's still not an explanation.
            yeah that’s the fricking point, moron. They didn’t have access to the explanation so they just said “god did it.” Humans don’t like having gaps in their knowledge, it’s really annoying. Even today, theists and “spiritual” people explain consciousness by referring to the existence of a soul or spirit etc. which really explains nothing, but in their minds this is better than nothing, so they at least feel as though they’re better than the atheists.

            If you actually disagree with the premise that lightning motivated humans to invent the concept of God, which is the main topic of this thread, then you are delusional

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know how to explain it to you but something NOT producing an explanation kinda undermines the idea that it was consistently done to provide an explanation.
            "This is probably a machine for making cows. It never produced one and never will, but I decided that's what it is."

            If they wanted an explanation, they could have invented just that. And they very commonly did. Very commonly. Gods were a separate issue.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          the understanding is “it’s magic from a god that’s beyond our understanding, now let’s worship him so he won’t be angry with us”

          Your cope is hilarious

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Please refer me to a single theist who has said
          >god created the universe
          >but we still don’t know how!!
          >how DID he create it from nothing??! We must investigate it!
          no, they all just say “god did it”

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I find it interesting humans imagine a guy causing the lightning instead of just seeing the lightning as a living thing

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      *white people
      to the noble red man, everything is alive

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Humans have a personification instinct. They anthropomorphize things. It’s completely unchecked in children and they give everything a human personality

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