>if god was not real, I would rape and murder

>if god was not real, I would rape and murder

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The consequences are less severe, though. If you could get away with it, and it didn’t bother you, it is justified in atheism.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      How does not believing there's an invisible magic israelite in the sky justify rape and murder?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        We’re just animals, killing and rape is natural. We don’t do it because there are (usually) negative consequences, but what if there aren’t? Isn’t that why we kill animals? And invade weaker countries? If you were the most powerful man on the planet, then you could get away with lots of things, like raping kids on a secret island. But if God exists, and hell exists, then these actions are always bad, because the consequences always exist.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >But if God exists, and hell exists, then these actions are always bad, because the consequences always exist.
          If the israelite in the sky said murder and rape OK and didn't punish it then murder and rape would be good?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, obviously. Other species kill and rape more because for them, those actions are actually beneficial

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >if an all knowing and all good being said something was good, would it be?
            Obviously. They know literally everything and decide what it is good. How could you even refute that?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, it is not "natural" for humans to go around killing and raping each other. Humans are naturally averse to hurting other humans.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            *in general*

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Depends on how much resources humans have. The less resources humans have, the more prone they are to harm other groups of humans.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            so rapes and murders occur unnaturally, ok. the atheist view is that your conscious forbids you from doing things instead of god, but the truth is we've all done things we regret, but as long as an atheist can forgive himself later it's easier to do what he wants today than it would be if he had a deity to answer to eternally.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Empathy is natural and prevents people from raping and murdering

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            except when it doesn’t

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            like when priests rape children and the church protects them?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            atheists rape too

            are we having le rational debate or what, I thought atheists were all about rationality and logic

            the fact is some people are inclined towards rape and murder, and in that case religion may be the only thing stopping them

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            the point is that religion isn't the only source of good and bad

            people who say that there's "nothing" stopping someone from raping without religion have no empathy

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            People have all sorts of instincts but instincts don't define what is morally right or wrong. An atheist may not want to rape anyone but they'd be within their right to rape someone if they did want to. This is the basis of moral relativism.

            t. Moral relativist

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because you have no coherent basis for morality. Moral relativism reduces morality to being as inconsequential as your favorite ice cream flavor because it's all opinion. So if someone does something immoral it's akin to just being mildly displeased with it and nothing beyond the base emotion, and anything and everything can be considered moral or immoral since it's entirely relative to the individual person. So in other words if a refugee rapes your daughter the only thing you can say about that is that you aren't a fan of it but other than that there's no argument you can make from a basis of morality against it since his desire to rape is just as valid as your disgust of rape if you're a moral relativist.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          How does believing there's an invisible magic israelite in the sky condemn rape and murder?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      But Christianity promises you that you'll get away with it.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >it is justified in atheism.
      pretty sure communist countries put criminals to death in many cases

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >rape and murder
      >ask priest for forgiveness on your deathbed
      >heaven
      wow such consequences

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      YHWH will let you rape a believer but also forgive and welcome that rapist if he later opens his heart to him. Creating a situation where that rapist would serve no divine equivalent of prison time and would end up enjoying paradise forever alongsides their rape victim.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        If you truly believe in Christ you wouldn't deliberately commit sin and try to lawyer your way out of judgement, he spent practically his whole life fighting the idea of only following the letter of the law and not the spirit of the law, or does that not make sense?

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Atheists and theists rape and murder regardless of the threat of god burning them in hell or not

  3. 4 months ago
    Dirk

    If god did not exist, there would be no objective moral basis to condemn rape and murder

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Your axiom: Objective morality is necessary.

      • 4 months ago
        Dirk

        To condemn rape and murder

        If god existed, there would still be no objective moral basis to condemn rape and murder because god is not a valid source of morality.

        Prove that

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Euthyphro dilemma

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            The dilemma doesn't seek to prove God is an invalid source of morality

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      If god existed, there would still be no objective moral basis to condemn rape and murder because god is not a valid source of morality.

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    God isn't real and I don't rape and murder. Checkmate.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because you are a homosexual who wants a fat wiener deep inside your butthole.

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    God commands rape and murder several times in the Bible. On what basis can Christians say that either of these things is wrong? After all, God cannot cause people to sin according to Christian doctrine.

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The "you need god for morality" argument is dumb. If there was no God, then there would also be no reason to do Communion, but that would be perfectly fine because it only has an extrinsic value for its role in religion, you could still eat crackers and drink wine at home. Likewise, if morality was only real because it's commanded by God, then you wouldn't lose anything by not having God, if it only had an extrinsic value. But if there's something intrinsic to morality, that makes it something we wouldn't want to lose, then that value is what sustains it. People would want it and enforce social norms to make you internalize feelings of guilt and feel good living a just moral life. Laws would continue to exist that punish immorality.

    I can sort of understand the argument that religion adds extra incentive to be good, but that's not a good basis for enforcing morality because religion is an opt-in social system, basically making morality opt-in as well. Serial killers can just choose to stop believing in God and then they won't have to worry about Hell. Even people who want to be sincere can shop for religions to find something that already aligns with their values, which takes away religion as a governing force in their lives because they have control over their religion.

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    What is it with atheists and "if"s ?
    It's the religion of hypothesism as a credo

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      An atheist can not formulate anything of value without a hypnotical scenario as a foundation to any form of knowlege they try to cultivate or construct , may it be an argument or a statement , it is the religion of nothing after all .
      renders anything spilled from the outputs of an atheist a form of anti-knowlege .

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >What if
        anti-knowlege cognition
        >There is .... thus....
        Knowlege

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Every atheist is an idiot , including Christians who fallow their "if" ways of thinking
          atheism ?
          more like if-theism

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          How do you determine what there is?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            The how of knowing you mean
            first knowlege equals certainty , it is the intake of an X with no form of doubt .
            an easy example i would point to a cup and say "hey i'm holding a cup"
            you see me
            you hear me
            you correlate what i said and just approve with zero form of doubt .
            the method is simple you obtain many forms of knowlege just by necessity alone.
            now what happens when the knowlege can not be obtained only by correlating twos together most humans fall pray forms of ignorance . taking the almost fact that ignorance is the opposite of knowlege , thus to know is to eradicate ignorance.
            to know how to know , you have to understand what is ignorance .
            its spilt in stages
            a simple ignorance , when one says "he does not know "
            a complex ignorance , when one "says something that is false and contradicts reality " yet he thinks it is what is real , complex of two form of ignorance , he does not know that he is an ignorant and what he spits if false .
            a doubt is a form of an ignorance , when two things have the same possibility to be real , for thing one must cumulate evidences and weigh them.
            a delusion is a form of an ignorance when a possibility of something to be real is lesser than 50 percent an opine would be the other remaining percentage , and the more you weight a side the more delusion you eradicate till you reach what is certain
            and surly the "if"ism is a basic delusion/doubt/opine endless rotating wheel

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >its about without a higher meaning such as God it is easy to dehumanize your fellow man.
    Bitch, it's precisely Christianity that dehumanizes people. The idea that no matter how moral you behave you deserve eternal torture by virtue of not having met someone who gave you a good reason to believe is the single most dehumanizing thing ever. Christians spend their entire lives bragging about how they're saved, they have the spirit, they have the revelation, they have eternal life and all that and how everyone else has no salvation, no soul and (you know I'm not making that up) are literally dead. Like walking corpses.

    But it's atheists who dehumanize people left and right?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Its not dehumanizing, it is "Justice" you dont have to like it but within the framework of Christianity there is a reason to be civil toward your fellow man and to recognize his value, it is beyond the mere biological contest humans are forced into by cruel nature.
      You may not like it, you may think its untrue, sure sure whatever, but regardless, Christianity within its own framework, is consistent with a good will toward men ethic.
      No such thing exists with "atheism".
      There is no reason to leave the sphere of cruel nature.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >it's not dehumanizing if i redefine dehumanizing to mean not being christian
        Your religion deserves its decline. Something God would have prevented if he existed.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          God allows challenges for a reason. He's allowing his religion to be weakened because it's representatives were losing their way, we need the wake up call. Just you wait, it'll make it's comeback.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Demons are not humans, and there is no sin in doing harm towards demons. Their very existence is an insult to God so they need to be exterminated to the last spawn to create a better world.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >christcucks seethe at non-christcucks the same way Black folk seethe at whites
        makes sense

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    that's cus you're a pussy. I'll rape and murder god i dont give a frick

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    ...But people who were christian still raped and murdered tho. Not a christgay but just saying it's literally not even against their doctrine.

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >there's objective morality
    >Jyst look at all them disagreeing religions
    >Including different flavours of Christianity

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      > The holly nothing makes me feel bad if i do bad
      > The holly nothing is merciful wont do anything when i do bad

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    We've literally been evolutionarily put together to want to kill other virile men in warfare and then help ourselves to their wives and womenfolks pussies as a reward for winning the battle.
    Judeo-RabbiYeshua-Worship, Much like Judaism and Islam with its shared 'messianic', eschatological outlook, essentially thinks that if we're all good enough goyim cattle slaves to YHWH and follow some set of arbitrary, idealist 'rules of life' - That the magic israelite in the sky will cast a spell and mans nature as an animal will just 'stop' and we'll become 'perfect', But this causes mental strife within us because that's obviously just not POSSIBLE! And leads to this incredibly dark place where our bodies are coded to make us constantly 'sin' [a superstition btw].

    Just look what *recent events* unfolded in *middle-eastern country*, A horde of men storming in, Killing the males and making the recently deceased girlfriends pussies theirs, Of course our Judeo-RabbiYeshuaist slave-morality society will shout down at this.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >accuses Islam of being a israeli plot
      >in the next sentence mentions that Muslims killed/invaded/raped israelites
      Did you even stop to think about what you wrote before hitting Post?

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    People raped and murdered in the past. It's only because of Christian morality that we see it as bad nowadays.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're probably just shitposting but it really does appear that a lot of Christians believe this. They also believe the ten commandments were revolutionary and stopped people from killing out of fear of god. But that's beyond fricking moronic, killing was seen as wrong and morality existed and laws far more fleshed out and ancient and superior existed. The ten commandments are quite primitive, childish, and of little value. They're also negatively authoritative which just encourages people to want to break them. There ten commandments are stupid and any Christian who has them framed on a wall is beyond saving and will burn in hell for degenerating to israelite testament dogma. And some think morality exists because Christians fear going to hell. To that I wonder if a lot of these "people" are sociopaths and lacking empathy and in need of laws to stop their lack of frontal lobe activity from taking things too far?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nietzsche , the genealogy of morals

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    A lot closer to being literally me than I would like

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Oh my if

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Atheists jerk off to "if" porn as a form of worship to if-eus ; the god of atheists

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I would feel grief
          grieving over the non-happening , the delusion .
          tis but the curse of if-eus the devil
          i cast his venomous speech craft by either having breakfast

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Or ?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            If-eus will keep if-ing , making my hunger more terrible thus i become bad whereas naturally I'm good
            i will delve in forms of ignorance .
            for that ignorance is the source of every bad

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            seems to me that this if-eus is an arrogant prick who thinks he could if his way out of everything .
            arrogance is the greatest form of ignorance however , humans do evil not because of no muh empathy , frick the crapic if-ism terminology ; evil is sourced from ignorance , tis when a human delude himself too much

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            If-eus is a delusion generator , the cumulation of ifs makes the human a deluded frickwit

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh anon , but some humans are just an incarnation of if-eus himself

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >its about without a higher meaning such as God it is easy to dehumanize your fellow man.
    Doesn't Yahweh expressly command the israelites to exterminate the women, children, and livestock of their enemies with genocidal fury, and get ANGRY when they showed mercy?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >yeah umm akshually
      Do I need to explain to you (again) why it does not matter if you personally disagree with the ethics of Christianity, it is the subjective consistency of the Christianity that matters.
      atheism has no subjective consistency which vindicates a humanization of your fellow man, it permits only cruel nature.
      Whereas within Christianity there is something beyond nature.
      >but to me God seems bad
      he can seem that way to you personally, but thats just your personal ethical system clashing with God, it doesnt refute the general principle of Christianity being outside of nature and therefore having the ability to go beyond the cruelty of nature.
      Its not that Christianity is moral that matters, its that Christianity can possibly be moral, it is possible for Christianity to be moral.
      Its not possible for atheism to reach beyond nature.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Whereas within Christianity there is something beyond nature.
        Yes, something beyond nature that actively COMMANDS cruelty.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      The israelites worship a demon that looks like a donkey, and whose secret name is the sound made by donkeys. What would you expect from something like that?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think that's Yahweh and Asherah, I think that's Bes and Bestet.

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >if god was not real, I would rape and murder

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      The hero, and THE most real person you've ever met in your life. Turns around one day, and asks you to squeek his nose...

      ....Before taking grabbing a 15 year old girl by the pussy.

      What do you do?

  18. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christianity is so fricking gay. Who's with me?

  19. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why not? It's all just meat at the end of the day.
    Animated meat.... but meat non-the-less.

  20. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've already killed a man regardless. it is what it is

  21. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Christianity has no objective basis to condemn any of those crimes either. It literally comes down to "God said so"and even then God commands his followers to murder and rape their enemies multiple times in the Bible. Christians don't believe in objective morality.

  22. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >if God was not real, I would THINK of raping and murdering
    fify

  23. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >before mass atheism
    >rape and murder and punished with death
    >after mass atheism
    >rape and murder are no longer punished by death
    >put murderers and rapists in jail, let them out in a few years on "good behavior"
    >they go out and rape and murder again
    >if God was not real I would tolerate rape and murder

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Overall rape and murder per capita drops
      >countries with high religiosity rated commit the most rape and murder.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        You have to control for IQ. Christians commit the least crime in literally every country, but the crime rate of Christians globally is boosted by low IQ African countries.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Because American prisons are full of atheists. Of course.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Because American prisons are full of high IQ individuals. Of course.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Because there isn't a negative correlation between religiosity and IQ. Of course.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Positive correlation between irreligiosity and transgenderism

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            At least you made sure everyone knew trannies live in your head rent free.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous
          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Now try posting again without crying.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            When you post without projecting.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            At least you made sure everyone knew trannies live in your head rent free.

            Now try posting again without crying.

            When you post without projecting.

            Samegay

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Because there isn't a negative correlation between religiosity and IQ. Of course.

            Because American prisons are full of high IQ individuals. Of course.

            Because American prisons are full of atheists. Of course.

            There is also a high correlation between religiosity, Black folks, prison time, transgenderism, violent crime and low iq. Just say Black person instead of atheist next time.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            There is, that's my whole point. You have to control for IQ to see what effects religions actually have on criminality.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Hmm, I wonder if high IQ people tend to make more or less income...

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Christians commit the least crime in literally every country
          The US prison population is disproportionately Christian. Maybe people wouldn't run away from your religion if you didn't have to lie in such absurdly pathetic ways to defend it.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            or maybe people become Christian in prison. maybe people "become Christian" because they think it'll get them out of prison faster. when people are on death row and "convert", many times people will try to get them released because they "changed" or whatever.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            What part of "control for IQ" do you people not understand?

            Low IQ atheists commit more crime than low IQ Christians, high IQ atheist commit more crime than high IQ Christians. But low IQ people commit far more crime than high IQ people and Christians are disproportionally low IQ.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >What part of "control for IQ" do you people not understand?
            The part where Christianity being a low-IQ religion makes it look any better.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It makes it look better because the Christian factor appears to make people less likely to rape and murder.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Cope.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            No argument.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I merely responded proportionally to the evidence you presented. Not my problem if it makes you ass mad.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Fair enough.
            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23921675/

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Source?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1745-9125.1995.tb01176.x

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        you have it backwards, people become religious to cope with trauma from witnessing rape and murder, people don't rape and murder people as a result of their religious beliefs typically
        rich people who live in safety have nothing to cope about, why do you think the poorer ghettoized regions of the U.S. are typically the most religious? well it's probably for no reason i guess

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          You also need to be low IQ to sincerely accept the idea of a bearded man in the sky.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            God isn't a man, doesn't actually have a beard, or a physical body for the matter, and isn't in the sky. These things are symbolic depictions. God is depicted as a man because of the way his patriarchal nature frames him as something similar to a father figure to all of creation, he has a beard and looks old to symbolize his wisdom, the heavens are depicted among the clouds because the idea of a better, perfect place is understood as being "higher" than our current world in an abstract sense. Inability to understand symbolism is the real low IQ trait.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >god is depicted as a man because muh symbolism
            god appears to one of the prophets in the bible as a literal old bearded man
            >heavens are depicted among the clouds because muh abstraction
            The tower of babel aimed to pierce the heavens, and god was so concerned by this that the bearded man confused the tongues of the human race so that they couldn't reach the sky.
            >low IQ trait.
            But enough about religiosity, which negatively correlates with IQ, because religious people sincerely believe in bearded men in the sky.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >He reads the bible literally
            Even the earliest church fathers knew not to do this. As I said, you simply suffer from a refusal to understand things allegorically or symbolically. Tell me, when someone says they're so hungry that they could eat a cow, do you correct them?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >losing to iron chariots was just a metaphor

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Ancients christcucks held the sophisticated view that their holy book was just metaphorical (not the resurrection, of course), while ancient pagancucks literally believed in men and women on top of a mountain turning mortals into various animals, and while christcucks today literally believe in bearded men in the sky

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >>rape and murder are no longer punished by death
      You can thank the Quakers for this

  24. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.

  25. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    If God isn't real, why is it wrong to rape and murder?

  26. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    That is exactly what used to happen before Christian values were revealed to the world.

  27. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    As a Christian, this is one of the worst arguments I have heard. There are plenty of non-religious reasons not to rape and murder, which most reasonable people will agree with. The better argument is that a theological argument affirms and explicates these commonly-held truths into universal eternal moral principles.

  28. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    my intuition that rape and murder are wrong is why i believe a higher power exists.

  29. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    An atheist that doesnpt rape is merely a coward. There is literally no reason not to murder and rape unless you secretly believe there exists a god that will smite jugdement upon you.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >There are no consequences outside of invisible sky father
      What the fricking shit?
      Are you some kind of fricking hermit? How did you get access to the internet?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        There are no consequences if you can avoid the law. Atheists do not do so because they are cowards that secretly believe in an omniscient god that will punihs them for their sins

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        The utter projection. You literally have third worlders being imported en mass just to rape women and loot and burn down stores and you're over here acting like it's 1982 or something, and I wouldn't be surprised if you actively support this lunacy. Atheists have failed to comprehend the importance of morality and that human beings aren't inherently nice people and have doomed everyone because of this utterly lack of comprehension. The world isn't this gilded cage of a bubble where you drink soiilent and watch rick and morty for the millionth time, people have more important shit to live for beyond your shallow and selfish desires, and you fundamentally do not care in the slightest.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's not third worlders burning down chicago. That's black people. You know, the people who are not immigrants.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            they do as migrants do, get invited to your country in good faith and treated as equals with full social welfare from the treasury then they go OOGA BOOGA, just like muslims and africans in europe

  30. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >>if god was real, I would rape and murder

  31. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >An atheist that doesnpt rape is merely a coward. There is literally no reason not to murder and rape unless you secretly believe there exists a god that will smite jugdement upon you.

  32. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Atheism is slave morality. Doing moral work without expecting payment is literally what a slave does, work without pay. Atheists who make any moral claims are stupid and too cowardly for full committment.

  33. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >>if i had no fear , I would rape and murder
    all morality derives from fear

  34. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    You are thinking purely in groups, which is ridiculous. People are individuals.

  35. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is a strawman.
    The claim isn't that we all deep down believe that these things are fine and we only don't do it cause God, but rather that, without an appeal to a higher authority, morality is functionally demoted to whatever we can collectively agree upon, which is, frankly speaking, not as solid of a foundation as atheists think.
    Human's are entirely corruptible. The secularization of morality may not have any immediately destructive consequences for morality but it certainly weakens its foundation and turns it into something open to disagreement, scrutiny, and revisions. As it inevitably changes over time, bit by bit the flawed nature of humanity's whims will begin to influence morality for the worst. I'm astounded there are still people who deny this when you can see it happening so clearly right in front of your very eyes, things which people argued would never change in the public eye HAVE changed over the course of generations simply because the possibility of change was put on the table to begin with. Human's downright aren't smart enough to create a functional moral system through nothing but their own moral intuition, YOU may very well still believe rape is wrong without believing in God, but why should your children? You can probably make an argument for it, but they can argue back. Who are you to say their counterpoints are wrong? You're no God. Why should they share your values? Why shouldn't they disregard the well being of others for their own pleasure? Cause it's good? Nice circular argument you got there pal. Reality is, you rely on the people around you and the sentiments you were brought up under for your morality much more than you think, and by demoting these sentiments to the status of man-made rather than God imparted then you're inevitably giving prideful men all the justification they ever needed to just make up their own system, and others will follow so long as it suits their whims. It opens the flood gates.

  36. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sociopath here. I probably would. Not sure how you think this undermines religion. Quite the opposite.

  37. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    There have unironically been plenty of cases where i saw an attractive girl on the street and thought to myself "I would rape her if there weren't any laws to protect her"

  38. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >this thread still up
    Oh. My. God!
    Really.
    Religion really is for people who can't think and feel for themselves.

  39. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >the vast majority of humanity struggles with such things and are often not ethical liberals but cavemen in modern clothing, with all wants, aspirations, hospitality, and all the vengeful disdain, and juvenile cruelty a pre-Western man would have
    So I see now. Christians believe humans are like dogs that need to be kept on a leash and be beat with a hard rod so that they do not cause harm unto other humans. Christians don't believe humans are different from animals, except in their ability to communicate through languages.

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