How likely is the existence of God?

I'm a christian but I'm having a crisis of faith kinda

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How likely is the existence of God?
    WhIcH oNe

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    God does everything he can to demonstrate that he's real every day by raping my mind and terrorizing, abusing, harassing, threatening etc me for my thoughts through everyone else on earth who he controls as a moronic troony hivemind. God makes it impossible to believe he's not real by constantly negatively interfering with my life

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yep. Hate the mind reading, honestly, I didn't know that is what I agreed to. Can seriously frick off I'm sick of it

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yep. Hate the mind reading, honestly, I didn't know that is what I agreed to. Can seriously frick off I'm sick of it

      It's not God doing it. It's evil principalities. Higher level beings just seem like God to humans.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It controls everyone and everything else on earth so there is no functional difference between it and God. Anything with complete and total control over everyone and everything in material reality is God.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          You can't blame God for the free will of other beings. He can only steer things to better decisions. My opinion on free will is a lot more nuanced now as for how our inclinations, thought, and feelings are influenced. But I hope you and that other anon get through to a better state of Good and Peacem its a fine line between "mystic" and "schizo"

          Read Swedenborg's works. Really recommend him -- he mightve saved my life.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Anything that controls everything and everyone in material reality is God. I can blame God for the free will actions of God.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            So in other words you blame God for moving your free will to blame God? =P

            Please read Swedenborg I feel like you'd benefit a lot from it. All evil can stem from either hellish influx or our own doings. All good (even indirect goods) come from God. God is so loving and forgiving that he lets many evil and wicked beings get away with all sorts of things in the hope that they'll turn to him. We're never going to fully understand the "why" bad things happen or why Divine Providence is the way it is, but so it be.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This the synagogue near my workplace is eminating some kind of energy that forces me to scratch myself. I already scratch enough that I started bleeding but I still want more. Why is he like this?

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Read up on the Five Ways by Thomas Aquinas

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you believe in an “is” you already believe in God.

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    How likely is it for a man to survive in the belly of a fish for multiple days
    How likely is it to fit 2 of every animal species on a single boat
    How likely is it to restore an entire species from 2 individuals
    How likely is it for languages to have been all split at the same time when some like French or modern english did not exist yet
    How likely is it to flood all continents up to the top of mountains
    How likely is it to magically duplicate bread and fish
    How likely is it to be a man born from a single woman thus not having an Y chromosome yet still being a man?

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    God gave you a prayer for times of doubt.
    "Lord I believe, help me in my unbelief!"

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The better question is, what do you have to lose with your continued faith?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >beliefs don't impact your life
      Worst apologetic argument ever conceived.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Is it though?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, something that is obviously wrong, like "beliefs don't impact your life" is a bad argument.

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    100% but worshipping the demiurge makes you just as moronic as he is

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    P(God) = 1.
    If you are asking this question, you don't understand what the word "God" means.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      God is you personifying the Universe

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's part of it. The Father is (from your own perspective within the universe) your personification of the topological closure of the universe, which includes you since you yourself are part of the Universe. Sin comes from making yourself the focal point of that personification, rather than it's entirety i.e., the Father. Thus did Cain sin by offering wheat to the Lord, confident in his self-centeredness that the Lord would accept the fruit of his labor. So was Cain's wroth aroused when the Lord rejected the offering, which was made to please Cain's vanity and not the Lord.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why was the desert man giving wheat to the infinite cold void of the cosmos?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            He wasn't, you are imposing your own perspective on him.

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Your doubts are a natural progression of you subconsciously noticing more and more things that are nonsensical. Unfortunately you can’t fit a square peg into a round hole.

    The double edged sword of learning more about your religion. Or looking at it even slightly critically

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The different conceptions of God thought up by philosophers is likely to exist. Specific religions that claim miracles, but miracles that only happen when no one has a camera nearby for some reason, that is less likely to be true.

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    That's a completely meaningless question anon

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    If your faith in God needs to be based on your personal logic being satisfied, you're missing the point. If you have the ears to hear the words of Christ, your heart will receive them.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Christ IS the Word. We are called upon to love the Lord our God with all our hearts, all our minds, all our souls. Conforming our personal logic to the Written Word of God is how we love the Lord with our minds. Conforming our flesh to the works which He commands is how we love the Lord with our hearts. Conforming our spirits to the trajectory which Christ Jesus sets them upon by His quickening thereof is how we love the Lord with our souls.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >If your faith in God needs to be based on your personal logic being satisfied, you're missing the point.
      "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength", Some people need to be logical satisfied to do this.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >If you apply any logic to religion, it completely falls apart
      Good to hear you say it out loud

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        How many things do you do on a day to day basis have a logical explanation all the way down to its core?

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's already happened

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    God exists bro. Read "Meditations" by Marcus Aurelius.

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    He's 100% real but there's no way he's got the three omnis.

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    If your faith is predicated on how likely your beliefs are to be true, you have no faith and never did.

  18. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's infinitely more likely than everything just sort of coming to fruition by random happenstance.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's not how ststistics work

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        How does everything come from nothing?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I have no idea; also I'm guessing that doesn't apply to god for some reason

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          How does a god come from nothing?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Randum quantum fluactuations can conjure up a consciousness out of nowhere

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Do you need to be told how moronic this statement is as a response to what was said?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            That should just be a link to the word "yes"

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Random quantum fluctuations aren't nothing, they're a thing. That is why Krauss' book is a joke.

            How does a god come from nothing?

            It's more like: everything we know about reality says that everything comes from something or at least everything is contingent on something else. But you can't have an infinite regression of causes or of contingency. So whatever is the cause of everything can't follow the same rules as everything, otherwise you fall into the same issue. So the first cause, the ground of reality, must be transcendent. It also can't have different parts, otherwise you would also need to explain how one part causes the other, or how it moves the other, or what their relation is when relation itself is a thing that needs a cause and so on. Which means that it must be something completely simple. Keep going along those lines and you get the classical theist argument. Or you can just say that there is no ground for existence anyway. You just bite the bullet and assume everything is contingent on everything else, and an infinite regression is possible. That goes towards something like Buddhism.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nothing is impossible anon, even in the vacuum there is all sorts of weird shit going on at the planck scale

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            If there is all sorts of weird shit going on, there is shit going on, which means there is shit, which means it's not nothing. Nothing is what you can see from your elbow. It's what an inanimate rock feels. It's a bachelor's wife. A vacuum is something, that obeys the laws of physics, which are also a thing. When people ask: "Why is there something rather than nothing?" they mean actual nothing.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Which God?
      I think the likelihood of a God or supreme consciousness is high but any individual one defined by people is not high. The cosmological problem posed by doesn't validate any particular belief system as there are a number of steps in between.
      Christianity has a bias of longevity and documentation that is more testament to the institutions in place to support it. The historicity as

      >>How likely is the existence of God?
      Probably there exists an entity which is the equivalent of "God" but probably not how we would conceive if it through a religious context
      >How likely is the existence of the CHRISTIAN God?
      More likely than most other religions due to historicity of the gospels but still probably very low.

      mentions is also true, but in reality that's akin to saying the Greek Pantheon is true because we found Troy and historically validated that the Trojan War happened, therefore the narratives about the Gods in The Iliad are true.
      Ultimately it's about what you believe and what results of your interrogation of the idea. Everyone else is going to continually hit you with their biases. Pastors are adept at dealing with common arguments as a redirection to scriptures in the same way salespeople are trained to handle objections to convince you to buy whatever. In matters of faith, the truest answers are the ones you come to personally. Get off of Oyish and read and investigate.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        What about Eastern philosophies? Some people say that their views of existence makes more sense than the Abrahimic one. A difference that maybe I grasped.
        .Abrahimic
        >life is crap but if you follow a specific code of conduct and morals you'll be eternally rewarded in the afterlife.

        Eastern
        >life is crap and your conduct and morals will determine whether your next life will be the same shit or even worse.

        Dud I get it right?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, eastern religions generally have a nice immortality, although it's a lot harder to achieve than in Abrahamic religions, and it's separate from the common afterlife- which is crappy to varying degrees.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >a lot harder to achieve than in Abrahamic religion
            Hiw dies it work?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Complete abolition of attachment.

  19. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >>How likely is the existence of God?
    Probably there exists an entity which is the equivalent of "God" but probably not how we would conceive if it through a religious context
    >How likely is the existence of the CHRISTIAN God?
    More likely than most other religions due to historicity of the gospels but still probably very low.

  20. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    You need to define God first.

  21. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    100%
    You can't have something from nothing. As for if the Creator is an impartial spectator or active in your life, try finding a nice church that you like. Eventually the universe will hopefully start giving you "synchronicities" (or signs from God).

    God bless anonkun. We all go through these phases and then some. 🙂

  22. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Greater than zero but very low.

    We really have no positive evidence of his existence but you can't prove a negative

  23. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    If by that you mean a non physical alien intelligence that can manipulate the laws of physics than not that likely because we have no idea how a cosciousness can exist independent of matter.

  24. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Well if there isn't a God, then most likely there are other forms of spiritual forces, something like what the Hindus believe. There's too many examples and experiences which are supernatural for the world to be just material.

    So if there is spiritual forces, then morality probably comes from them.
    And Christ has the most logical and true morality system ever made.
    Which means that Christianity is the most likely religion to be true.

    But if not, it's probably some vaguely spiritual shit without one singular creator deity

  25. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    There definitely is an ultimate being, it's scientifically impossible for things to start happening without a starter. So there has to be something that's above the laws of nature, a sovereign being, than which nothing greater can be conceived. And as for Christianity? Would the Apostles willingly have gone to their deaths for something they made up, that they knew was false?

    1 Corinthians 15:14:
    >14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >scientifically impossible for things to start happening without a starter.
      Why do you assume it is a being?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ok if we're not arguing any particular religion, just for the existence of a divine power, then yes, it's possible that it's simply a force like the Dao. It makes sense for this force to be personal once you actually take a look at Christianity - the resurrection of Jesus, or the liar/lunatic/Lord trilemma.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wdym

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Laws of motion tell us that nothing starts moving or stops moving unless acted upon by an outside force. For this to make sense there has to be an outside force that transcends these laws of motion and can set the universe into motion.

  26. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Humans have a hard time understanding God because they cannot accept that they are not the main character and God is not their personal nanny.

  27. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Kierkegaard was really interesting to me because he tackled the intractable nature of the reason/faith conflict head-on compared to other people I'd listened to on the topic. He says something like "faith" is undermined by an application of "reason", since "reason" induces doubt and worldly meaning-making which orients us away from the certainty of God's word. However, since we can't know God without applying a reason or interpretation of some kind to his word, we're always doomed to uncertainty, and so to unfulfillment/disappointment. Reason leaves us wanting, Faith leaves us wanting, and faith will inevitably seek reasons and vice-versa. Nothing is certain, everything is moving all at once.

    In light of this fact you've got a choice to make: you can surrender to God's word and consign yourself to a selfless life of unquestioning charity, asceticism, unknowing and repentance, or you can tend and "interpret" God's word by embracing worldly reason in order to cultivate your own desires and being, what Kierkegaard calls the "aesthetic life", which as previously discussed necessarily "corrupts" God's word and so corrupts the world of the believer in the eyes of the man of faith (himself corrupted).

    This talk did weird things to me. It made me start thinking about Art more, and the kind of meaning I want to generate from experiences. It made me want to break things into smaller pieces. Even without faith, it seems to me a life that isn't vital and constantly interrogated is a life that's not worth living. Faith is nice when taken as some mechanism for coordinating morality, but at the individual level I feel like it makes some people "stuck" in a way I can't fully explain.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >you can surrender to God's word
      But that is where the problem lies: which God? Catholic? Orthodox? Hindu? Muslim? You need some sort of criteria to decide.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Precisely.

        The "surrender" Kierkegaard speaks of is one that he compares to the story of Job, who would kill his son no questions asked. There is no rationality here, no worldly interpretation, no doubt. Only pure Faith.

        That doesn't appeal to me, and so I would prefer the "aesthetic" life ultimately.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Do you believe in God or do you lean more towards the agnostic side?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Agnostic, 100%. Guilty as charged.

            Like I said in my big wall of text, religion is compelling when you consider its function as a system of moral permissions and obligations, as some historical thing we've inherited. But speaking for myself it made me myopic, and it took me a long time to realize that a lot of my "faith" amounted to an unexamined ideological expression, a club of friends that shared the same resentments as me.

            I wanted to let the world in, but couldn't reconcile myself with the false dichotomy of tradition/modernity I'd become a slave to. I feel like I'm still struggling to break free, but that Kierkegaard lecture was one of the things that made me realize how far behind I'd fallen in my life, how lazy I'd become. My faith meant nothing to me, and I had no faith in my reasoning. I needed to step way back.

  28. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    suffering exists, therefore god doesn't

  29. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    very likely
    calm down

  30. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    And you're going to this fricking board? Ask a priest.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >oh you’re questioning an ideology?
      >why wouldn’t you go to a guy who’s entire lifelong career is defending that ideology no matter what
      Lol

  31. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How likely is the existence of God?
    As likely as you want it to be.
    The alternative is that you're a dumb animal with dumb animal instincts, in which case it doesn't matter if God is real as long as your instincts tell you He is, because dumb animals have no higher obligation in a godless universe than satisfying their own instinctual drives.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >christcucks mind-broken and dominated by basic science
      Lol

  32. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not very likely at all.

  33. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Same likelihood as leprechauns.

  34. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Historically certain https://tektonticker.blogspot.com/2022/05/today-i-have-special-guest-piece-by.html

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