I simply want to learn and my question is sincere. The people at the top live a blissful life, especially when compared to the people at the bottom. The people at the top can experience all pleasures of life and simply repent with the knowledge that they did everything there's to be done socially wise. They have no traumas, no regret or bitter feelings, the very opposite, they are completely satisfied, calm and confident because they had all the attention and love. Meanwhile the people at the bottom have been bullied their whole life, has never felt any kindness and even less love. They are not even playing on hard mode because no matter what they do, they will never receive the respect people at the top receive even if they are billionaires or contributed to their society, science or art. art. The people at the top are usually managers, ceos or anything that doesn't require hard work, while the people at the bottom do whatever they are allowed to. It's wrong of the people at the bottom to become gay/trans, kill themselves or live a life in sloth but what's evevn more interesting is that even if they became devout believers people would always think it's a cope because they failed at life, or perhaps they never stood a chance. How is any of that fair?
>There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it
How is true is that? Maybe hundred years ago where men had more right but nowadays it makes no sense.
>For whoever has, to him will be given, and he will be in abundance. And whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.
WOW! And then
>Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
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Life is a bliss at every level. The problem you see is not in creation, it is in your distorted vision. The creation is perfect.
The people with money and comfort have material desires and attachments. They suffer and rage when they don't get what they want. This didn't happen to prophets, or spiritual people who figured out that they don't need those desires.
Who needs things when they have God by their side? Mindfulness of God solves all problems.
Don't believe me. Ask God. God is inside of you, and you can communicate with Him through intuition. You think your question and you check your intuition for the answer. You might not understand the answer now, but in the proper time you'll figure everything out.
Always talk to God. He expects you to interact with Him.
You have the interest, and your faith will grow more and more. Avoid the disbelievers. Then will try to catch your attention and to deviate you from the path.
>The creation is perfect.
What's perfect about a baby dying of cancer while being eaten from the inside by parasites?
>They have no traumas, no regret or bitter feelings, the very opposite, they are completely satisfied, calm and confident
are you sure about that? im not sure i could agree with this assessment
also, anyone at any level who gives themselves up to faith completely can shed bitterness and regret and obtain calm and contentedness and confidence
just look at monastics. hermetic monastics even
If you're at the top you're at a disadvantage since you love your power and wealth more than Jesus you can't be saved. That's why it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than such people to enter the kingdom of God - they have more to lose and more to give up by being a Christian.
Have you spoken to a lot of rich people? Their pride is off the charts and they’re addicted to earthly things. They also mostly tend to be atheist, because why would any rich man think they need help from God? I wouldn’t really want to be like them.
What's the saying, no atheists in foxholes?
Must be Mormonism where you have to be married to achieve godhood after death. It's not a Christian denomination by any standard, it's 19th century Masonic fanfiction. Yes, Joseph Smith was a Mason but that's a subject for another time.
It's inherently unfair. There's too many variables in life that can easily frick you up.
Average Joe goes through his life partying, drinking, and sleeping with every woman he can find then later repents, finds god, and gets children and happiness for eternity.
An average abused child goes through life being yelled at, bullied, and ridiculed, then when he burns with lust (which is normal) he sins and fricks up even more and is sent to hell to face an eternity of suffering and sin, never knowing the happiness of a what could have been if a family or people didn't abuse him.
Hell is created for humanity.
I heard somewhere that only married people make it to heaven.
If you're a loner and burn with lust and don't find a partner you are destined to die and be destroyed in hell forever.
talk about fricking virtues, and he made it a sin to covet people who have a family are you fricking insane.
Seems to me these people get double reward while sinners (through no fault sometimes of their own be they abused or otherwise) get double punishment.
It's fair because Jesus Christ died for us all, but we have to accept His gift.
>The people at the top can experience all pleasures of life and simply repent with the knowledge that they did everything there's to be done socially wise
You're right, but that isn't good for them, it separates them from God. Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Is it a gift if you don't take it, you'll be thrown into blood orgy dimension of eternal infinite torture?
I don't think that meets the definition of gift.
It's bowing down to be a servant under duress and threats. It's as much a gift as slave owners "gifted" their slaves life and afternoon without whipping in exchange for their servitude.
>Is it a gift if you don't take it, you'll be thrown into blood orgy dimension of eternal infinite torture?
I don't blame God for my sin nature. I thank God for the atonement won for me by His victory at the cross. I have done nothing to deserve it, but He gives it to me anyway. How is that not a gift?
It seems like you do blame God for your sin nature, thus you don't see salvation as a gift. I suppose you see the unfolding of spacetime as a fully deterministic process? That would make God personally responsible for your sin, right? I see it as chaotic, and so I only see God as offering me salvation.
Gift is something freely given with no expectations.
If refusing it means that the giver sends you to torture dimension for eternity to suffer infinite torture, it means that it really isn't a gift.
It's more of an mafia boss making you an offer you can't refuse.
Ie. you are forced into accepting it under duress.
It is not a gift.
Anon, God does not condemn you to damnation, your own sin nature does. God did not cause you to be drowning, He is only tossing you a life preserver.
Hell wouldn't exists without Gods approval. This is not about the problem of evil, this is about God being active participant in eternal torture and suffering of souls. You can't answer finite sin with infinite punishment. As long as hell exists, universe is fundamentally evil. Ad that makes the creator and lord of universe fundamentally evil being too.
How well do you understand these concepts of infinity and eternity? How much mathematics have you yourself actually studied? Are you even aware that your entire dispute boils down to "the axis mundi should be projectively extended, not affinity extended"? If you were, that might make for a good starting point for Biblical research. But I suspect you haven't even studied calculus.
>not affinity extended
*affinely
Dunno about maths, but I've suffered a psychotic breakdowns where I experienced hell like existence with extreme time distortion that gave a profound feeling of seeing eternity and infinity. Mind you, it was just a tiny little touch of infinity, not even a finger tip's worth. And yet it was enough to absolutely devastate me for a period lasting about three years. I would have probably killed myself to escape the existential terror if I hadn't been sure that that was waiting for me was that exact place I was trying to escape so I was stuck in this state of terror.
So no, I don't really know much about calculus. I mean I've passed engineering maths and know how to play around with lim's, but I don't think I actually understand them.
But I have some inkling about experiencing infinity. And it is evil. If god thinks it just to use that as punishment, then that god is purely evil.
Simple as.
>Dunno about maths, but I've suffered a psychotic breakdowns where I experienced hell like existence with extreme time distortion that gave a profound feeling of seeing eternity and infinity
You should be studying mathematics. It will give you the cognitive structure to cope with these thoughts, by putting them into proper perspective. That's actually one of the purposes of Scripture, is to get us thinking about these concepts in a way that builds up that protective cognitive structuring. But it only works if you regularly contemplate the Scriptures, such as via the liturgy in regular church attendance. In this postmodern world, that doesn't happen anymore for most people. If you aren't ready to study Scripture, then studying mathematics would be a good place to start.
I very much doubt that having a better grasp on calculus will mean anything compared to my lived experience in perceiving eternal hell.
Now don't get me wrong. If I knew for certain that Christian god was the one pulling the strings and hell was in his design, I'd submit to his will in an instant.
It's just that I also see that eternal hell where souls are tormented means that every soul who is aware of it's reality is irreparably stained. There can't be blissful good everafter in heaven if hell exists, because all of those souls in heaven would be aware of infinite suffering of souls in hell. Even one soul suffering there would be enough to stain all souls. Nevermind the probable (if Christian dogma were real) millions of souls in hell. This is why universe is fundamentally evil if hell exists.
But I know that I'm too much of a coward to do some Omelas kind of walking away from god as a statement. But omniscient God would know that my submission is one born from terror and absolute fear. There wouldn't even be hatred there, because it is futile to hate such omnipotent evil that would use hell in his designs. It'd be like a shaking leaf hating the hurricane that tore it away from the tree (of goodness). So my relationship with God would be one of pure terror, there'd not be any love there because you can't force love to such malicious being and he'd see though false professions of love. Hopefully submission though terror would be enough for God.
Thankfully I've found much solace in Buddhism. Oblivion is something to strive for after my experiences. I'd give anything to get there. I'm not a real adherent (yet), but reading buddhist philosophy has given me much solace. Much much more than any monotheistic religion could ever give.
My pastor would probably not approve of what I am about to tell you, but I think that Siddhartha Gautama was Jesus Christ's coming for other peoples. I think that the boddhisatvas are His martyrs. I think that He planned it so that people like you who get turned off by the errors of His church can still find other paths that lead to Him. I am happy for you that you are finding solace, and I wish you well.
Thanks bro, you seem to have a good heart.
Buddha didn't exist though. Neither did Jesus.
Because christianity was a psy-op to keep ancient people submissive, unfortunately this shitty fairy tale is sl effective that it still works on 2023
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Yet have to see someone that read what I wrote. It seems like all the replies were wrote by a robot.
Heavenly Father, if it is thy will, I beseech thee to touch the hearts and quicken the spirits of the Anon who posted 15968542, and all who post in this accursed place. Amen.