How do Protestants determine the canon of scripture?

How do Protestants determine the canon of scripture?

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Me, John Protestant, decides. Expect, huge epic changes next year!

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Some people believe that Scripture is God's word due to having heard it and believing. Like it says in John 8:47, "He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God." That's also how some people believed in Jesus even during His time on earth. Others unfortunately just follow the opinion of whatever crowd they are in.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Okay so why 66 books instead of 81?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        "1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
        2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
        3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
        4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
        5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers."
        - John 10:1-5

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Huh? Do Prots even understand what they are quoting?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's just a cope

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Don't speak such of our Lord's words.

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    They get a cannon, and shoot it at the works for consideration. Anything left counts

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Tweets.

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    They let the Rabbinic israelites decide the Old Testament for them.
    The other books were israeli too but they were older sects that fell out of prominence.

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Any canon after Marcion is invalid

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    pick and choose. it's a loose canon, after all.

  8. 4 months ago
    Dirk

    Fallible authorities

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      But how does that work exactly?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Your authorities: fallible
        >My authorities: infallible

      • 4 months ago
        Dirk

        The same way it works for you, just without the extra step of blindly trusting some group of clergy on the topic

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >admits that his Bible is man-made and fallible
          Intellectual dead-end.

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            My apprehension of the bible is fallible

            What's the infallible authority by which you claim to have nailed down the canon? Can I get a source for that doctrine in your church?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >My apprehension of the bible is fallible
            Duh.
            >What's the infallible authority by which you claim to have nailed down the canon?
            The Holy Spirit. You can keep your man-made canon, though.

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            How did the spirit communicate the canon to you? How is the resulting canon infallible?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Jesus said the holy spirit would guide The Church via the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. He also said the Holy Spirit wouldn't leave the Church. The Church of that time still exists.

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            Answer my questions

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            How did the spirit communicate the canon to you? How is the resulting canon infallible?

            whoops accidentally said "Holy Spirit" twice. To answer your question though the early church believed that the Holy Spirit guided the ecumenical councils over the following centuries. The results of the councils were the canon among other things. We believe the canon is infallible because we believe in the divinity and real presence of the Holy Spirit in The Church.

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            The ecumenical councils did not produce a canon. Local councils and other sources contradict the catholic canon.
            What happened at Trent, specifically? Did someone say "this is the canon" and everyone else said "yeah the spirit told this guy the canon"?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Stop lying homosexual

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk
          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            What is that supposed to mean?

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            These are the ecumenical councils. None of them are on your list. They did not produce a canon.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            So what?

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            Read our conversation again

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            There's more than one person in this thread. Why does it make a difference whether the council that decided the canon was ecumenical?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >no reply

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            The canon was decided at the Council of Carthage which was a synod of bishops. It was confirmed at others. The belief is the same however. The bishops were guided by the Holy Spirit. I don't know much about the council of Trent I'm not Catholic.

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            Which part of that sequence was infallible?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm pretty sure it was infallibly confirmed at Trent. Before that, it didn't need to be infallibly confirmed because every Christian had the same beliefs.

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            >every christian has the same beliefs (canon)
            But that's not true
            http://bible-researcher.com/canon4.html

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            How many Churches do you think existed back then, ya little weasel?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The bishops were guided by the Holy Spirit

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            Which? Infallibly?

            How many Churches do you think existed back then, ya little weasel?

            What?
            A number of these sources predate Carthage

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            How many denominations do you think there were? They all had the same beliefs.

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            Are you avoiding the issue or are you lost?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            What issue? They all belonged to the same Church. No one was debating the against the Church (except heretics).

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            There were different canons within the same church. There was no ecumenical council ruling on the issue to declare the stance of the whole church. I just linked them to you.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why does that matter? Once the canon was decided, they all agreed.

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            Are you referring to Trent? The 17th century?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            No the council of Rome. Lol. Wtf?

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            There were competing canons after the council of Rome, if the gelasian decree is even authentic to that council. Did you click the link? Are you being disingenuous or just lazy?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >There were competing canons
            Let me try asking one more time. Why do you think that it matters how the deuterocanon was classified by individual theologians? Do you think they were trying to start their own churches with a different canon? Do you think they were challenging the authority of the Church? Do you think they were having pillow fights, but instead of pillows they were using modern printed bibles? Please help me to understand what point you think you are making, and why that matters in the context of modern Protestant biblical canon.

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            So they didn't all agree, right? And there wasn't an ecumenical council on it, right? Answer yes or no

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >So they didn't all agree, right?
            Who is "they"? Church fathers? Popes? Church congregations? Theologians?

            >And there wasn't an ecumenical council on it, right?
            Why does that matter?

            >Answer yes or no
            You're actually autistic. Holy shit!

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            I just refuted both these assertions in this conversation and I don't want to breeze by them

            The whole process was guided by the Holy Spirit. I don't know how it works but I have faith it guided the council. How about you cut to the chase and present where you see that IS fallible and your countervailing point?

            Infallibly?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I just refuted both these assertions
            What assertions? Lmao. What the frick are you smoking?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity_in_early_Christian_theology

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Heresy is very diverse

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            The whole process was guided by the Holy Spirit. I don't know how it works but I have faith it guided the council. How about you cut to the chase and present where you see that IS fallible and your countervailing point?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            This anon beat me to it.

            >The bishops were guided by the Holy Spirit

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Mind the SEEZM!

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        This is incredibly painful to watch, thank you for sharing this.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      But how do those fallible authorities choose the books, and why do you believe they choose they right ones?

      • 4 months ago
        Dirk

        The same method your church used

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're just making ad hominem arguments. Imagine someone has no denominational affiliation and has just come to believe in Jesus. Why should they accept the 66-book Protestant canon as a collection of inspired works?

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            That's not what ad hominem means
            The basis of the evidence

            How did your church arrive at a canon? Did they meet in council over years and study, or did someone claim god told them and everyone rolled with it?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's an ad hominem in the technical sense of the term.
            >An ad hominem argument from commitment is a type of valid argument that employs, as a dialectical strategy, the exclusive use of the beliefs, convictions, and assumptions of those holding the position being argued against, i.e., arguments constructed on the basis of what other people hold to be true.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem#Argument_from_commitment

            Merely saying that Catholics have the same problems with determining the canon as Protestants, does not actually address the question of how you determine the canon. It may be that both Prots and Catholics have no way of knowing what the canon is. So, you're just avoiding the question.

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            Answer my question. It gets to the heart of the issue.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm asking about you, can you be specific?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is Martin Luther one of them?

      • 4 months ago
        Dirk

        He's fallible but he's not really significant on this issue
        I would say the authorities we trust are the extant records of the early church and what they accepted as canon, text criticism that can identify inauthentic texts, and the expert scholars who study those sorts of issues. There's enough certainty that the canon holds confessional status for most Protestants.

        I'm asking about you, can you be specific?

        Same

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Hate to break it to you but you got the 66 books meme from him.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >text criticism that can identify inauthentic texts
          So do you reject the epistles not written by Paul and 2 Peter?

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            Who is 2 peter?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            The Second Epistle of Peter

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Like with anything protestant, it's whatever they feel or like

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    How do you? You just listen to some guy in a funny hat, who's more qualified because he went to a special priest school. You know we can read the Bible too, right?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >You know we can read the Bible too, right?
      How did you determine the canon of that Bible you're reading? Same question, numbnuts.

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    basically copied the OT canon from the rabbis that personally rejected jesus and the NT from the church.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Being a prot is worse than being a muslim.
      muslims worship a 7th cen satan worshipper
      prots worship several 16th century satan worshippers
      how embarrassing!

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How do Protestants determine the canon of scripture?

    >IV. The authority of the holy scripture, for which it ought to be believed and obeyed, dependeth not upon the testimony of any man or church, but wholly upon God, (who is truth itself,) the author thereof; and therefore it is to be received, because it is the word of God.i

    >i 2 Pet. 1:19,21; 2 Tim. 3:16; 1 John 5:9; 1 Thess. 2:13.

    >V. We may be moved and induced by the testimony of the Church to a high and reverend esteem of the holy scripture,k and the heavenliness of the matter, the efficacy of the doctrine, the majesty of the style, the consent of all the parts, the scope of the whole, (which is to give all glory to God,) the full discovery it makes of the only way of man’s salvation, the many other incomparable excellencies, and the entire perfection thereof, are arguments whereby it doth abundantly evidence itself to be the word of God; yet, notwithstanding, our full persuasion and assurance of the infallible truth, and divine authority thereof, is from the inward work of the Holy Spirit, bearing witness by and with the word in our hearts.l

    >k 1 Tim. 3:15.

    >l 1 John 2:20,27; John 16:13,14; 1 Cor. 2:10-12; Isa. 59:21.

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    How do Catholics determine which authority to determine the canon of scripture for them?

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    They don't, they just steal other churches' canons.

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >i-i-i-it canonized itself!!!

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Jag är bög helvete

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    They trust the Roman Catholic Apostolic church of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ

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