>how could God of existed for eternity? He had to of been created somehow!
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>how could God of existed for eternity? He had to of been created somehow! >
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>OMG U GUISE!
>First Cause is tricky!
Happy 12th birthday OP
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>how could God have existed for eternity? He had to have been created somehow!
anyone have that meme that's a bell curve of understanding "your" and "you're"?
The average western claims to have everything figured out, yet are also illiterate. I've actually started intentionally swapping your and you're when I chat with people and not once does someone call me out. Sad state of affairs the world is in.
> I've actually started intentionally swapping your and you're when I chat with people and not once does someone call me out
Their being polite. Nobody wants to be "that guy"
I just want the meme where understanding the misuse of "your" is both high and low IQ
There is nothing permanent except change.
>I-IS THAT PERMANENT?
>GOTHCAAAAAA NOW YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE MY BULLSHIT
Change was the real god all along
>Dionysus was victorious all along
yeah alright Tzeentch
How could God exist for an eternity (without time, wtf?) and THEN decide he feels like creating the world?
why not? He can do whatever He wants to. this idea of God not being able to exist for all of eternity before creating the world is nonsense. OP's image proves that people will believe in that concept as long as it comes from a secular worldview
>why not?
Change isn't possible when there's no time. There couldn't have been a period where God didn't want to create the world and then suddenly a moment when God did.
>Change isn't possible when there's no time
why do you think time didnt exist before the world existed?
Time and space are a continuum.
no proof of it
Brainlet.
you weren't there to see the creation of the universe. you don't know if space did or did not exist when God created the world
>you weren't there to see the creation of the universe
No, and I don't believe there was a creation moment either, because it doesn't make sense.
how do you think this universe came into existence?
I don't. I think it always existed and the notion of a zero is human error.
how could it of existed for eternity if the universe is on it's way to a heat death? (second law of thermal dynamics)
Our observable universe is but a grain of sand in an endless desert
What makes you think heat death doesn't just cause the universe to simply re-roll its stats and continue onward? Or perhaps not even re-roll, but reset with the same ones.
that implies a supernatural aspect to the universe. you can't create energy out of thin air without... God?
>you can't create energy out of thin air
Who said anything about that? Law of conservation of energy suggests that energy is never created or destroyed.
seems super natural to gather up all of that energy and restructure it to recreate the universe back to how it was before
It does seem a bit miraculous, doesn't it? I thought miracles were a good thing though?
if you need magic for your theory, then creation theory makes more sense to believe in
It's not magic.
so it is an act of God?
It being unlikely doesn't make it impossible or illogical. How do you address the law of conservation of energy in the scenario that the universe has a definite beginning and end without further transformation prior / after?
>without further transformation prior / after?
there doesn't need to be any transformation if God wants to just create something into existence.
So creation ex nihilo is impossible and a no no, except when it isn't?
it is possible, but if you cannot contort God into your theory since He already gave us His story on how the universe was created.
>i never said God was the one doing it!
then who? are you inventing your own religion?
If creation ex nihilo is possible, by natural means, why do you need a god thing at all?
>If creation ex nihilo is possible, by natural means
it's not possible through natural means. i am obviously implying that supernatural intervention is necessary for it to happen
So if I'm understanding this correctly, without creation ex nihilo, a supernatural explanation wouldn't be needed, right.
the universe had a supernatural start, that's what my point is.
Do you infer that the universe was started supernaturally, or do you conclude that the universe was started supernaturally? They're different.
i conclude it, otherwise i would of said "i think"
In that case, what is your basis to reach that conclusion?
the creation of something from nothing is supernatural, and there is lots of scientific evidence that the universe had a starting point
What nothing?
no matter or energy
What makes you think there can be no matter or energy?
what makes you think that a cup can be empty?
A cup is empty before or after use, like on the cupboard or in the sink. So again, what makes you think that there was a time with no matter or energy?
You’re just straight up not answering the posts that refute your argument
There never was nothing. There is no before the singularity of matter and energy just like there is no north of the North Pole
Hmm
We have the worlds top physicists saying one thing about physics, and we have a guy on Oyish who has a completely different answer
Spacetime could be discrete for all we know
ASSUMING relativity completely holds for the beginning of the universe and no other factors exist leads to time not existing during and/or before the big bang. it's not eternal time, it's literally no time.
all physicists know that relativity on its own isn't a sufficient explanation for the big bang
It’s beyond human comprehension
>god is illogical
Explain what on the other side of a black hole or what is dark matter go
Anon, one week ago is calling and wants to talk to you.
So there are things beyond human comprehension then. Yes or No
There may be, or there may not be.
Christians however, wouldn't call their god beyond their comprehension, because it would make him illogical.
Religion is literally an human Interpretation of god, there are over 100 different subgroups of Christianity with different interpretations. No one claims to completely understand god or his origin.
I'm just pointing out that you have a serious disagreement with Christian theology by assuming that your own god can't be understood, dude.
>one thousand million years
so... a billion years? what's with people obsessed with writing numbers out in the longest way possible
big bang is not the beginning of existence, next
>He had to of been
Are you British? I always see them making this mistake.
Wouldn't God exist in all time and space? The Universe is basically God's dream, there is no beginning and end. If he wakes up, where are we?
>Wouldn't God exist in all time and space?
yes, God is everywhere and knows everything in the infinite past and future.
>The Universe is basically God's dream
this is not biblical, so you're just making it up as your own reality
Why does the caveman brain feel the need to fill every gap in human knowledge with something like "God did it"? It's kind of pitiful.
Because I feel bad when people call me a moron for saying moronic things. Pretending to be superior and sophisticated to my critics covers that deeply ingrained sense of insecurity.
Modeling our environment is how we survive anon. People understandably want to have a good grasp of how the world works that they can fit in their heads. And the world is too complicated for it to be 100% accurate. Hence some diffuse will.
if you are interested in the topic of god and physics watch this debate:
it represents both sides as fair as it can be