has anyone ever considered the possibility that maybe the ecumenical councils were wrong?
has anyone ever considered the possibility that maybe the ecumenical councils were wrong?
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has anyone ever considered the possibility that maybe the ecumenical councils were wrong?
Has anyone considered that if some all-powerful creator of the universe actually existed and wanted to communicate with humanity he wouldn’t have done it through a series of disparate letters, book, and scripts written over hundreds of years that were compiled into one book that 99% of humans that ever existed couldn’t even read? Why the frick would he choose a book instead of just revealing himself to humanity?
>Why the frick would he choose a book instead of just revealing himself to humanity?
What do you think he did to Abraham and Moses, pal?
So what, did God exhaust his power after he spoke to those two? He could create the entire universe but isn’t able to just appear to all of humanity and prove that he exists?
>Who is Jesus?
please explain to me why you think God is an old man on a cloud in the sky who gives you presents if you’re a good enough goy
Christians:
> The Big Bang is fake, something can’t come from nothing!!1!1
Also Christians:
> Nobody created God, he was always there and there was nothing before him!!!1!
Apart from anything else, anyone with a single brain cell would realize that it’s more logical to believe in the Big Bang theory of the universe instead of believing in one specific creation myth out of thousands (and adding another layer of improbability, a “Creator”)
if you knew anything about anything you’d know that was a Gnostic text
>Christians:
> The Big Bang is fake, something can’t come from nothing!!
What did he mean with this?
You present him as a superior deity beyond human understanding when it suits you.
What sort of transcendental being would ask for the brutal murder of non virgin women?
I get it, I really do.
>Transcendental being when you want to justify his absurdism
>Patriarchal despot when you want to enact his barbarism
Is that the one when Moses chides the soldiers for sparing the young boys and then orders them all slaughtered?
Precisely
whoa it’s almost like there’s more to it than that! I said this very early on - please stop thinking of god as magic elderly man in the sky
>it’s almost like there’s more to it
You mean there's less to it, much less.
he's not light or perfection or incorruptibility. It's just hebrew mythology treating itself with an all-powerful deity to protect them while he persecutes "enemies" and crush dissidents with an iron fist.
Not that different from Zeus, or Odin, or any other mythological all father.
you are a reductionist materialist who cannot even entertain anything beyond old man in the sky who lives on a cloud and will forever be mad at old man in the sky who you don’t believe in. I even posted the quotes from the smartest man in north america (inb4 IQ tests bad!) who holds the metaphysical theory that the divine totality is something akin to
>a language that talks to itself about itself
you are too dumb to entertain anything other than old man in the sky. keep seething at odin pal, shake that fist at the sky harder
You mysticism falls short when you resort to the bible.
If your faith isn't based on it, than we're not even talking about the same thing.
I never said this transcendtal unknowable ineffable unquantifiable entity is personally involved in peoples meager affairs, you did, to be mad about it
>Superior being beyond time and space
>Wants you to cut off your foreskin and stone adulterous and queers to death
Incomprehensible when it suits you. Petty and barbaric when it also suits you.
The duality of religious doctrine
Humanity rejected Him even when He walked alongside Adam. You think other people wouldn’t do the same?
He was rejected by design, it wasn't by accident that his own people rejected him.
So what? The moronic system states that unbelievers will be punished for their sins with eternal (what the frick?) hellfire. Beside the fact that that is indefensibly cruel and could not be the work of a good and benevolent being, saving even just one person from such a horrible fate would warrant God bothering to appear to humanity.
Does he have better things to do? Because he hasn’t done shit for the last few thousand years while hundreds of millions of children died from preventable disease or starved, many of which had Christian parents who begged him to save their kid.
>The whole earth is a living icon of the face of God
I pity you, anon.
No it’s not lol. If an adherent or another religion said that you’d rightfully laugh at them, but you lack the critical thinking ability to realize that it applies to your fairytale nonsense as well.
what? absolutely not. I would agree with anyone who said that. why are you putting words and ideas in my mouth? your conception of theistic people reminds me of a marilyn manson edgelord in the 90s
Huh? If someone went up to you and told you the Norse creation myth, you’d believe it? Because there’s as much evidence for that as there is for the myth in the Bible.
I quoted John of Damascus to illustrate that existence itself is evidence for God, the world itself is a finely tuned testament to that. That’s my point. You are not very bright, anon
Evidence itself is not existence for God lmao. The very problem that this type of thinking tries to solve creates another problem. You can’t claim that the universe didn’t come from nothing and then claim that nothing came before or created your own God. That is literally, in every sense of the word, moronic.
what is the universe? can you define it for me in your own words? I don’t want
>well it’s a three dimensional realm and space is a vacuum and no one can hear you scream there
I don’t want descriptive qualities of it. I want to know what it actually *is* and why it exists. can you explain it to me?
Lol I don’t know why the universe exists or how it was created. That doesn’t mean I devolve into medieval nonsense and claim that a “god” made it.
The evidence for the Big Bang compiled by people far more intelligent and learned than you or I seems to offer an explanation. Am I 100% certain that that’s what happened? No, because I wasn’t there. However, people who actually do research and try to find explanations for things take priority over zealots who claim a book (that isn’t even clear enough on a plethora of major issues for all its adherents to reach a consensus) written over a span of hundreds of years ago and assembled by some random council gives them all the answers.
lol we’re done here
>Why didn't God choose this one course of action that would satisfy ME
Not an argument
It’s not about “satisfying” anyone, it’s about the most effective course of action for a being that allegedly totally doesn’t want anyone to go to hell (even though he’s the one that created the system).
You’re objectively moronic if you think the Bible (that isn’t even clear on half the issues) is a better way for a deity to reveal himself to humanity than simply appearing and actually showing people that he exists.
do you notice everyone else is talking in ambiguous, universal theological terms regarding theism and the nature of reality and you just keep saying shit like
>okay but christianity is stupid
how many times in your life have you admired the flying spaghetti monster meme? you’re what, fifteen?
He's right, though. It is stupid to view Christianity as reality instead of myth.
The only way you can make sense of it is by talking with vagueness, ambiguity and meaningless tautologies.
I like how literally no one has responded to the OP. In short, yes I do. The Council of Nicaea is so obviously a political council, and really had nothing to do with the Truth of Scripture.
So how the frick are we random bums supposed to know what is and is not pertinent information? Why would any God choose this brain dead method of communication with humanity?
I think the moment things split from Judaism, they were winging it.