My grandma died few years ago. I dont know if she believed in Jesus, I never asked. I actually didnt talk with her that much before she died, but I do care about her.
Wouldnt it be hell to me if people who didnt come to believe in Christ would go to Heaven and I would go to hell?
heaven does not exist so nay
there is only one way to Heaven, and that is through Jesus Christ.
sadly he never existed
so I should just accept that there is a chance that my grandma who didnt do any harm might be in hell?
Earth is Hell so Granny ain't.
you were not a witness to your grandmother's entire life. if she truly did no harm, then have no fear. God is just and merciful.
Muslims and israelites disagree, what now?
The Christian concept of heaven is to understand God’s perfection at such a radical level, it would be painful to have even minor infractions against justice in his presence. In essence the barrier between the saved and the damned to not expose both to God’s magnificence is gone forever. The difference is one will have supple hearts and the damned will have frozen hearts. The supple heart is created but practice in the faith. The frozen heart happens when one dies unrepentant of offenses against God. The saved with supple hearts have accepted radical love and forgiveness to remove their stains, but the damned want nothing more than to be separate from God forever, the experience is so painful.
There also needs to be the concept of man’s worth compared to God. In terms of value, a human’s worth is little more than a pile of mud. But for God’s will, this would be the case. And every soul in heaven will be unabashedly aware of that value. Thus, absent participation with God’s will, no one would mourn the loss of a beloved partner or relative. It would be akin to mourning the loss of your favorite bucket of mud. It is by God’s radical love and will we become more, and thus participate in God’s heavenly glory.
There's no free will in Heaven or Hell lol Christianity considers the former to be the origin of all sin. So the answer is that you wouldn't care, more or less. For an elaboration of this:
>Christianity considers <free will> to be the origin of all sin
Incorrect, in fact since the Fall we exist in a state of diminished free will.
How so?
That's really interesting inversion/consequence of the God-wants-us-to-have-Free-Will Theodicy. It gives us free will to sin on Earth, but not in Heaven, where everything is sin-less. So if you were in Heaven and you're mom went to Hell you wouldn't care. I've never thought about it that way...
Humans can ascertain a moral worth outside themselves that's so high that we regard ourselves (accurately) by comparison as a slop of mud, even though a human being is an incredibly rich reservoir of pathos and experience compared to, say, a wienerroach. So we have our innate human non-wienerroach worth AND the ability to comprehend a worth so far above that human level that it makes the latter seem like mud. And yet we are still so lowly that our relatives would be right to not care about us if they were in Heaven and we were in Hell?
What is the point in falling in love with Christ because of His tragic mercy if the eventual place that belief leads you is to disregard and de-humanise the condemned ones as 'mud'?
And doesn't Revelations say that the saved will only be a few thousand from each tribe? Hell will be overflowing with babies and family men and little old ladies and you are saying that its doctrinaire to just call them mud? Because they could not find the love of the right God while they were alive? How does Christianity, in the sense of the Samaritan and the Passion and beautiful tragic hymns mean anything to a person who says "Mud" to all those burning souls?
I'm not being facetious or trying to dunk on you at all, I just think what you wrote is very callous.
I think you come off as very sincere, so I will answer you as best I can. The reason we cannot think of our fellow humans as mud is because of God’s love, which is given to us regardless of our worthiness. Indeed we are called to love one another as Christ loves us.
This is the core struggle of the Christian life, that we are called to love those who cannot merit love, because the One who does merit love, has willed we are worth His love. His great love is an act of will, and because of that love we must engage with each other with similar love. This is again, not because we can merit any love. Our worthlessness compared to God ought to be obvious. But when we participate with God in the radical acts of love, we become like God himself in our own small ways. And to resemble God in his love, even in small ways will seem infinitely large to our limited experience. Thus, on Earth, we can work to become like princes and princesses. But once we have died, without our participation with live, our manifest actual worth is all that is left.
> And doesn't Revelations say that the saved will only be a few thousand from each tribe? Hell will be overflowing with babies and family men and little old ladies and you are saying that it’s doctrinaire to just call them mud? Because they could not find the love of the right God while they were alive? How does Christianity, in the sense of the Samaritan and the Passion and beautiful tragic hymns mean anything to a person who says "Mud" to all those burning souls?
Don’t forget that God is a God of justice. Most who died without the stain of sin still have original sin. Thus to dwell in God’s presence would be cruel to those people. The Catholic response has been to surmise the existence of other creations like Limbo. Places that are not heaven or earth. I find this formulation to be compelling. Hell is part judgement, and part punishment, but people who do not merit punishment still fail judgement, even in the face of invincible ignorance.
This is all to say there is much debate on this topic. In the end we are called to live as best we can, and Jesus will sort it all out. It is my part to trust.
>I will burn you and torment you in eternal pain out of my infinite love for you but if you even accept that you are worthless because of this you are also wrong.
If heaven is so perfect, why resurrect everyone in the day of judgement? Why create a new Earth and a new heaven if the first heaven was perfect?
Disbelievers go to hell. Read the Quran. It tells you all about them.
https://quranenc.com/en/browse/english_saheeh
It also tells you things you don't know about Jesus and Mary.
>Read the Quran
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By "ancestors" he means Gods. He, like many men of his time, claimed to be descended from a God, much like the older Heracles, Achilles, Orpheus and so on. Essentially, he would have been giving up what was his right to ascendancy. In the end, it all boils down to power and money, as always. In the first place, the only reason he was considering converting was to secure peace so he wouldn't have to entirely relinquish his power, but accepting Christianity knowing that he'd also have to accept that his lineage was rotten was as good as relinquishing it all the same. The message the image is trying to convey really breaks down when you consider that not long after, he set up an arranged marriage between his daughter and Grimoald the Younger, stipulation being that she would have to be baptized. Bravo, King Radbod. So very brave and valiant, selling your daughter off to the enemy like that. No, you go down in history as another weak, irresponsible, deceitful failure.
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If you believe in Jesus you believe in the Pope
>Do atheists and non-christians go to heaven?
Ultimately, only God can know for sure.
>Wouldnt it be hell to me if people who didnt come to believe in Christ would go to Heaven and I would go to hell?
I suppose it would be hell to you if you went to hell.
>Ultimately, only God can know for sure.
Come on, man. It's right there. Don't mange the word of God just because you're too afraid to make any assertions. As Calvin said, "I only desire this general admission, that we should neither scrutinize those things which the Lord has left concealed, nor neglect those which he has openly exhibited, lest we be condemned for excessive curiosity on the one hand, or for ingratitude on the other. For it is judiciously remarked by Augustine, that we may safely follow the Scripture, which proceeds as with the pace of a mother stooping to the weakness of a child, that it may not leave our weak capacities behind."
>Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
>This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
>Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
>No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
>But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
>No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
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You know, we sure are assuming as a given the existence of this "hell", which really is just the underworld of the polytheist Greek/Near-Eastern (or "pagan") systems of the belief, but depicted as particularly unpleasant. Before we debate what "hell" is like or who is in "hell", ought we not to question whether any such underworld even exists, especially given that the belief in an underworld historically likely arose out of burial customs, i.e. the dead "going into the Earth"? Especially the people disavowing such systems of belief ought to question holdovers from them.
while i definetly believe in a literal hell, however OP leave this question for the loving God that died for humanity for no reason other than his love to his creation, he certainly does have more love and empathy for your deseaced grandma than you will ever have so have no worry in your heart about her. writings here in this thread are nothing more than speculation so don't take any to heart.
Well someone's gotta be put in there. And the Church is quite clear the only path to salvation from hell is through Jesus
i know the only pass to heaven is through jesus, but what we don't know is whether will there be any chance in the afterlife for people to still choose jesus, we simply assume you only have chance to choose on earth which is not in the bible.
>We don't have any idea
>Bible says a book will have your name on it and you will be cast into eternal fire if your name isn't on it
>But we can't be sure
Grandmas in hell
It's the hardest cope of Christians. To understand that you'll enjoy yourself eternally while people you can empathize with are tormented and suffer eternally.
Imagine that haha cultivating a lifetime of compassion and mercy for people who don't deserve it just to dance over their place of torment forever
Your nana's taking demon dick in every hole
No, because heaven doesn’t exist.
God i hope not. I couldn't stand spending eternity with Christians everywhere. Ironically that makes hell a sort of heaven for me doesnt it?
They don't.
Atheist here, God told me last night that I’m going to hell
Have you watched the latest episode of Rick & Morty? Afterlives are for the less intelligent