Christians sail on an inflatable merry-go-round on the pacific ocean constantly making up their own interpretations about the divinity of Jesus, ITT I will attempt to highlight that Jesus is NOT God.
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(Matthew 19:17) And He said unto him, What callest thou Me good? None is good but One, which is God.
(Matthew 26:39) And going on a little, He fell on His face, praying and saying: My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; but not as I will, but as You will.
(Matthew 27:46) And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a great voice saying: ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI, that is, My God! My God! Why hast thou forsaken me?
(John 5:30) I can do nothing of Myself. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is just: for I seek not My will, but the will of the Father Who sent Me.
(John 14:28) Ye have heard that I said unto you: I go, and come again unto thee. If ye loved Me, ye would rejoice, because I said: I am going to the Father; for My Father is greater than I.
(John 20:17) Jesus said to her, Do not touch Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren, and say to them: I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.
(John 6:38) For I came down from heaven, not that I should do My will, but the will of Him that sent Me.
>(Matthew 19:17) And He said unto him, What callest thou Me good? None is good but One, which is God.
was Jesus good?
This is the problem with Christians reading everything in a literal sense.
Nowhere did Jesus claim that he is God, if you're the same person from the earlier thread we already talked about this.
This is headcannon
>Nowhere did Jesus claim that he is God
The Bible certainly does. But go look at what Jesus said to Thomas when he called Him My Lord and my God.
>same person
i am not that person
>headcannon
only because you dont want to try understanding orthodox belief.
Judges of Israel were called gods too.
i know. do you really think the context in John supports that understanding? John has already said that Jesus was the one who made all things in creation, sat Him on the throne in Isiah, and had him alive before Abraham was.
Where did John say that? Quote the verse.
read john 1, john 12 and john 8
>John 1
Theos does not a have a singular meaning, it can also mean messenger of God.
>John 12
Don't see anything relevant there
>John 8
Similar translations, a better one would be I am he. Also Jeremiah 1:5.
*similar translation issues as I mentioned earlier.
Also Paul used the same phrase in Acts 26:29, so if your criteria for someone to be God is saying I am- well there you go.
Moreover the blind man who Jesus healed said I am the man and the Greek reads exactly the same as what Jesus said in John 8.
>Theos does not a have a singular meaning, it can also mean messenger of God.
since you clearly have never read more than the first line since you're simply taking your points from some muslim dawa site, i'll provide it for you:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
The latter verses are of no relevancy to the issue of Jesus being God.
Who created everything though?
God did, not Jesus.
The NT clearly states that Jesus made everything. it does this several times. you've just read one and are now just refusing to accept it.
John 14:28 My father is greater than I
No it doesn't you're just creating some nonsensical mind map.
>John 14:28 My father is greater than I
yes, during His time under the law and made in the form of a servant, Jesus was naturally in a lower position of Authority. He had to live the perfect life none of us can live.
it really doesn't get much clearer than saying All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. The referent is 'the same was in the beginning with God', Who is the Word.
Where does Jesus say that?
It's not though because it's a contradiction. One says in the beginning there was god the other says in the beginning there was the word
say what?
>It's not though because it's a contradiction. One says in the beginning there was god the other says in the beginning there was the word
there is no contradiction, though of course your priot commitment to mohammadanism means you're not free to understand why. All that is said is that God created everything - that nobody but God was involved in the creation of everything. If jesus is also said to have created everything, then the only conclusion is that somehow Jesus is equal with God.
Other places do. Take Genesis Ch1 for example. you referred to it but dont seem to know that the next verses tell us that the Spirit moved over the face of deep. The Spirit was quite clearly involved with creation.
>Why doesn't it say that the Son was there?
because that revelation was to come later. in John 1 for example.
please explain how that follows
>Other places do
Yes that clearly shows that it came after.
>Revelation was to come later
But I thought the Son always existed? See the issues here yet?
>explain
John 14:24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the God who sent me.
Clearly Jesus is saying here that his words are not his own.
John 5:31-31 If I testify about myself, my testimony is not true. There is another who testifies in my favor, and I know that his testimony about me is true.
Jesus is talking about testifying to God here, his own testimony is not sufficient. There is another who testifies in his favour.
>But I thought the Son always existed? See the issues here yet?
yes of course, but that doesn't necessitate that He be fully revealed from the beginning. He was mentioned several times throughout the OT, but His true role, and the nature of God, was to be revealed later though His incarnation, life, death and resurrection on earth.
>not my words
ok, so here we see that the Son, in His lower position of authority while made in the form of a servant, was completely dependent upon the Father for the things He should say and do. This is perfect life which only He could live for us, and by which we are counted righteous in Gods eyes. On the other hand are our sinful lives, the punishments for which were placed upon Jesus during His Passion.
This exchange, our sin for His righteousness, is the basis for our hope in Christ and Heaven in the world to come. Without it we have no chance at all.
Show me the OT verses that entail that a man will be born in but it's actually God who is going to humble himself whilst simultaneously being the Son of God with a Holy Spirit which is also apart of God. Where these 3 deities/parts are co-eternal and coequal.
>not my words
You see this is just another cope imo, because you are having to use ambiguous verses to create a trinity and are now making a story out of it to try and make sense of it.
we're getting away from your original assertions. unless you can are ready to admit that the Bible (NT) does actually say that Jesus created all things, thereby making Him equal to God, theres not much else to talk about at the moment. If we can't even get agreement on something so basic and obvious theres little point carry on.
not even the JW or other unitarians try to make out that Jesus didn't create the world.
Show me where Mohammad is in the bible.
Sure, Mohammad and Muslims are the audience of this verse...
>>21 “'And you shall not covet your neighbor's wife. And you shall not desire your neighbor's house, his field, or his male servant, or his female servant, his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's. '
>quotes a verse that is pro personal property
commies defeat themselves 🙂
Christianity isn't communist, here's its economic system...
>Account them worthy to see their children's children. Keep their wedlock safe against every hostile scheme; give them of the dew from the Heavens above, and of the fatness of the earth. Fill their houses with bountiful food, and with every good thing, that they may have to give to them that are in need, bestowing also on them that are here assembled with us all their supplications that are unto salvation.
I don't use the Bible as evidence for Islam- this isn't about Islam either, only Christianity.
Then you don't know your own Holy book yet claim to know the New Testament. And as
has shown you are using faulty information.
see
for the claims of your gods
The Injeel is not your bible. As I said I'm not here to talk about Islam, not sure why you're deflecting- this is strictly about Christianity.
Too bad.
Muhammed was a pedophile and satanist, which was proven here, and ypu lost your argument on Christianity.
This is now a thread about judaism and islam both being pedophile satanic cults.
The Bible has no age of consent and ordains child marriage, your making fun of what god in your own text has allowed. Hypocrisy going against the teachings of God according to your own Bible.
You are here to promote Islam. I'm calling out your methodology.
>It's not the same
Show this injeel muslims keep talking about. Where is it?
And you still have the problem of the Torah. Or did that disappear too?
Show me where Mohammad is in the torah and gospels as stated in the quran.
>A Muslim website that lies about christian scripture
Many such cases
https://www.bible-researcher.com/links19.html
I just provided him with evidence to support the claim, are you blind?
Once more you're deflecting and crying about Islam lol.
>https://www.bible-researcher.com/links19.html
yeah, i was on that page as you posted. as i said above, you can clearly see that most of the verse is there, with just a part missing due to damage to the papyrus.
I assume you can read Greek, what does it say?
im at maybe first year NT greek level at best, but you can see the following in relation to what we're talking about (ch13 verse14):
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love .......... and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.
Interesting, and what about the John 5 claims?
you mean 1 john 5? that one is more complicated. personally i think it became included in the main text by a scribe who saw it in the margin BUT theres some evidence that it was widely know about anyway. I don't use that verse in apologetics because 1) it's not necessary and 2) its complicated.
It doesn't say anything wrong, but there is a chance its not genuinely part of the text.
But, so far as 2cor13:14 goes, you can see that your source wasn't being altogether honest.
Yes you're right, it made it out to be a glaring issue. Why is there no mention of this in the catalogue system on the website? They could have mentioned partiality.
not sure. it probably depends how thorough sites are wanting to get. for certain this kind of thing is noted in academic texts.
Alright, thanks for being civil and acting like an actual Christian.
Thanks for beimg a liar, a supporter of satan, misrepresenting info, disrespecting Christians, while claiming to know what a "real Christian" is.
Let me educate you, bring this to your imam.
REAL Christians would already be burning your houses of worship and piling your bodies upon it in self defense.
Every violent act of Christians against you has been because of your unprovoked mass murders, raoes, raids, lies, murders, and thefts.
You come in here faking respect, while being disrespectful. You knife anyone who answers you in the real world.
Save your outrage and hypocrisy!
You strike others, kill their kids, rape their women, then demand respect?
I have only one thing to say. Repent.
You are wrong. You know you are wrong. And your entire time here was from a position of dishonesty and taqiyah.
I sincerely hope you do the research and reoent,I will oray for you, but you came here im bad faith. You are a violent hypocrite and your heresy is building a mound of curses on everyone around you.
Your goddess is weak and demands you die for her. You depend on censorship and threats, violence, to spread your faith
because ot is too weak to stand to reason and Truth.
Think about that while you seethe.
You deserve far worse, so dont be a hypocrite in here pretending you were respectful. Lies are disrespect. And your tongue was caught at least 3 times in a lue you yourself know was a lie.
God Bless you, I sincerely hope ypu rwtirn to Christ before you curse your entire family.
Thanks for having go dig up some info on P46 in the name of a nice trinitarian blessing, was interesting.
However, there are still issues regarding the contradictions in the Bible.
>Account of Matthew on the crucifixion of Jesus
>Death of Judas
I have a few more up my sleeve but I can't be fricked to go on now. Adios hombrè
those are quite different subjects than your starting issues but if i see any future threads from you i'll be sure to reply.
it's not for a stone lol cking idolator to tell others what is and isn't an actual Christian. what a stone licker means when he calls a Christian sincere or an "actual Christian" is that they mean they think they found a sucker who will converse with them and eventually buy their lives. Do not be a coward in matters of faith brothers and sisters.
Black person hes onto something there, look at the greek it doesnt match what ur saying.
https://biblehub.com/texts/2_corinthians/13-14.htm
>https://biblehub.com/texts/2_corinthians/13-14.htm
theres a couple reasons, the most obvious being that part of the page is missing. The other is that the scribes, to save space, would use shortened versions of important words. You can see several of those in the greek fragment i posted. XY mean The Lord; IHY, Jesus; XPY Christ. There are several others not used in that section. The only bit i cant make out is "of God" after 'The love..".
What is your issue with this?
>posts new link says it's the same
>can't prove muslim's injeel exists
>can't prove Mohammad is in the torah or gospels
You not being able to do basics is why you've failed this whole thread.
See
get some help.
I'm not the one with the religion that says Mohammad is in the torah and gospel yet can't find him. You should get some help.
And if you implying
is the same link as
It just continues to show how you've failed in this thread. People can see what I wrote and reacted to. Or is this your first day here?
I misread your comment. Calm down. Don't get excited.
>excited
Try
as an example.
Where is Mohammad in the torah and gospel?
I have given you multiple explanations and verses which are clear cut- no ins and outs which totally refute this concept.
Not only that your gotchya verse contradicts Genesis 1:1
no it doesn't. it doesn't contradict Isaiah 45;18 "For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens, He is God; That formed the earth and made it, ".
in both cases it expands up on what they meant. It is part of the self revelation of God that He exists as more than one Person.
This is just a theory to cope with a contradiction.
Why doesn't it say that the Son was there? Where was the Holy Spirit? Or did they come after God?
>john 12
37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.
Whose Glory did Isiah see?
The glory of God and his messenger. Not God.
>john 8
53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the israelites unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
Checked and based.
Stop replying.
Its the same dumbfrick arguments by satanists over and over.
You are speaking to a pedophile, OP is a muhammedan pedophile, he cant admit hes wrong or his own religionists will kill him.
Your own Bible ordains child marriage. So you are making fun of something that God has ordained in your own text. Hypocrite and blasphemous.
False.
Jesus nentioned several times.
Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves” (John 14:8–11)
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.(John 8:58-59)
Jesus uses the title “I AM,” the name God uses for Himself when answering Moses in Exodus 3:14.
In John 5, Jesus heals a man on the Sabbath and the israeli leaders question Jesus about this violation of the law. Jesus claims authority over the Sabbath. Then John tells us in 5:18, “This is why the israelites were seeking all the more to kill Him, because not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.”
Muhammed was a rapist who fricked kids, was verifiably incorrect and misnamed key figures in israeli texts.
He also disobeyed every command he made.
>John 14:8
Jesus was talking about him delivering the same message as God. You're reading this literally.
>Exodus 3:14
Ego eimi and ho on are not the same words. The latter is what God allegedly referred to himself in the OT.
>John 5:18
Meanwhile in a latter verse John 5:30 he rebukes this concept, John was not talking about Jesus's perspective there he was talking about the perspective of the israelites.
The Bible ordains child marriage. This is not a thread about Islam.
>Jesus was talking about him delivering the same message as God. You're reading this literally.
Nope. Thats your opinion not supported by the israelites who reacted nor the Apostles interpretation. -1
>Ego eimi and ho on are not the same words. The latter is what God allegedly referred to himself in the OT.
Nope. Thats your opinion not supported by the israelites who reacted nor the Apostles interpretation, nor does it address where this is repeated. -1 again
>Third point not am answer -1 again
Oh yes this is a thread about Muhammed and Islam being disproven. Only the Quran explicitly supports babyrape,which Muhammed engaged in.
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310: 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64 Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65 Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88 Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Jews also rape kids. Islamoisraelitery is half Black person synagogue of satan. Allah is a bith and muhammed was a satanic pedophile.
Your own books prove it
The guy called him "good teacher", as in he considered him as yet another man who happened to be a good teacher which angered Jesus as he wanted to be seen as the truth and not a fallible man.
the rest of the verses in this post are easily understood once you realize that Jesus had come down from Heaven, voluntarily placing Himself in a subordinate position of authority for the purposes of living under the Law.
Dont respond hes a slide employee and not arguining in good faith.
Its a left/israelite/islamoisraelite tactic.
Just i
gnore and utilize herbs.
>quotes the KJV
opinion discarded
nothing wrong with the KJV in these passages really. check them out in parallel to see.
(Timmothy 1:25 for) there is one god and one mediator between god and men, the man jesus christ
(John 17:3) And this eternal life, that they may know you, the only true god, and jesus christ whom you have sent
(Corinthians 8:5-6) For even if there are so called gods, whether in heaven or earth (as there are many gods and many lords), yet for us there is one god, the father, of whom are all things, and we for him, and one true lord jesus christ
And these are to do with the two natures of Christ; the human and divine, united though not confused. His humanity connects us to all Men, His divinity to God, forever, since He still has both natures right now.
The aforementioned verses clearly refute the claim that Jesus is God.
Now let's talk about the Bible. The Bible is claimed to be the word of God yet is riddled with contradictions, additions and errors. Moreover, one of the key writers of the Bible is an apostate according to its own texts.
The gospels are anonymous scripture where some authorship is still disputed, it is nonsensical to use this a source on what the words of God are.
Jesus isn't God the father, ancient Christians had to put Jesus above caesar (by invention of the trinity) for the religion to gain followers.
The bible is not the word of God, it's the word inspired by God.
God speaks in revelation and the holy spirit in logic, satan speaks in words so he can deceive and mislead. Don't trust anyone who said they heard God speak, it was satan, trust logic who comes from God and revelation who also comes from God.
Don't even trust this post because its in words and i'm not here to teach, just to point out the discrepancy, you either see it by natural logic of the holy spirit inside you or it will be revealed to you by God in your own time.
Being a Christian 101: Worship God as the creator and only entity capable of judging this realm. Use the tools he gave you to navigate life. Live in God's grace and peace.
Everyone is God. We are all children of God, therefore we are God.
Whether or not you believe me is up to you, I'm trying to instill some hope. I love you all, best of luck out there.
ok but thats the one guy from the spartacus show
Do you denounce The Talmud though?
The Council of Nicaea was ordained by Constantine and he had to implement pagan beliefs into the theology to help the Romans adopt the religion because they could not fathom monotheism. The vote was not a unanimous consensus instead it was a vote of the majority. There is no concrete information about the Church fathers who were present at this council especially about their backgrounds and personalities.
False.
Bishops included were not under his jurisdiction.
Nowhere did I say they were under his jurisdiction but did he or did he not convene the council?
>he had to implement pagan beliefs into the theology
evidence? the arian controversy had been going on for years by the time this council met. the lines were already clearly drawn....and the Arians went on to basically take over the entire church for about 70 years anyway.
yes, i know you are correct about that.
No evidence on his intention, this is my own theory. It makes sense since the concept of a trinitarian God melds well with pagan beliefs.
If there is only one God then why does the 1st commandment exist?
>ITT I will attempt to...
Don't know who you are.
Don't care what you think
why do you care?
calm down, imam goldberg
Arguing the divinity of the dude when nobody has proof of existence?
More proof of Jesus than Homer and many Roman emperors.
Are you ignorant or stupid? With a statement like that you must be one of them
No there isnt
Isa is real but he is not God.
Now the Christians have run away because they can't handle being proven wrong. I haven't even started and they've already given up.
seems you ran away from reading a few chapters of the NT
>"...my c**t hungers, absent wiener!"
Based kino appreciators.
why does that caption fit her facial expression so well?
Jesus wasn't even a real person, dummy
>pic related
John 5:31-31
John 14:24
This shows that Jesus is not the 'word' according to your own Bible. Another contradiction.
No shit, Jesus was the SON of God. Frick read what you type before posting, out loud.
>paying the ultimate price for trying to oust the money changers that now control all of christendom with the sole purpose of enslaving humanity.
>not Godly
Thats Gods mission for humanity. To be free and destroy the mammon whorshipping devils that have been subverting His people for thousdands of years for the sole intent of turning them into minions of evil in servitude of them.
You people are so naive. Out of one side of your mouth you claim "i see systems of control" and with the other side you perpetuate them. Either naive or shills.
There was one single act that Christ perfomed that proved he stood in opposition of a powerful force trying to destroy humanity and that was whipping the ever living shit out of the money changers that are back at it pitting us against each other for their benefit.
Christ stood against a centralized banking cartel that went on to destroy Rome by way of currency manipulation. After rome fell they went to europe then the U.S. Then Russia and China.
You STILL deny him after seeing this with your own eyes? Countless great leaders and their great families destroyed by Christs enemy for standing up to them in Christs name as Christ did and betrayed by their greedy minions they subverted through mammon and YOU STILL DENY HIS WORDS?
They know not what they do Father.
I will forever be greatful for his sacrifice of shining a light brighter than the sun on these purveyors of misery and destruction. For not for his actions we could not see the evils of a private centralized bank that would rather kill the son of GOD than relent their crusade against the destruction of humanity.
It doesnt even matter if its a total alegory the message is clear. For want of money you shall become a worm not in His image but that of the devil which seeks not light but endless darkness squirming in filth with no eyes to see Him, no ears to Hear him, no hands to hold him but only a mouth to forever consume the waste you wrought.
I will be honest I have to take a shit. Will be back soon.
pray to allah shaytan doesn't tickle your butthole while you're in there
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OP
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I almost forgot:
John 5:7-8
John 5:20
Corinthians 13:14
Corinthians 13:11
These verses are not found in any Papyri, which indicates that these are additions.
ok, where are you pulling this stuff from? Its obvious you aren't finding this stuff out by yourself, and it would be easier if i could your source directly instead of trying to draw information out of you.
i could look up those passages and determine their presence or not in the ancient greek manuscripts, but im not sure theres much point - why on earth does it mean they later additions just because parts of anciant papyrus mss lack those parts? Have you checked patristic sources?
Sure, I'm not going to lie to you.
https://www.why-christians-convert-to-islam.com/Papyrideception.htm
thankyou
this is where they start applying verses clearly about teh Holy Spirit to mohammad. im not kidding.
I'm aware. Testing to see where this mohammadian that twists scripture will go.
For reference for those who don't know the quran's claim.
>Quran 7:157 Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them. He will enjoin on them that which is right and forbid them that which is wrong. He will make lawful for them all good things and prohibit for them only the foul; and he will relieve them of their burden and the fetters that they used to wear. Then those who believe in him, and honor him, and help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him: they are the successful.
what with all of the silly language and colorful capitalizations it is hard to take the guy seriously, but i'll address his main point anyway by asking you one question.
Why do you accept his arbitrary assumption that everything original to the NT MUST be present in the papyri?
He for some reason completely ignores sinaiticus et al, which are complete and date to the early 4th century. He also ignores the presence of John 1:1-15, the parts where Jesus is said to be God who created everything.
He wasn't my only source:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/john1_1.htm
https://biblequran.org/john-11-the-word-was-god-explain-by-muslim/
well he's flat out wrong about what P46 contains, so far as i can tell right now. He claims it has 2 Corinthians 13 but stop before verse 14. It doesn't have anything after 2 cor chapter 9.
you really should take the time to check out the sites you use and the claims they make. if i found a basic error like this so quickly, what else do you think he's wrong about?
https://www.bible-researcher.com/links19.html
I might be wrong about that claim. the usual source which i considered comprehensive for some reason didn't have 2cor13 in its scans of P46.
But, ive figured out the issue here anyway; P46 does contain the ending but its fragmentary due to that corner of the page being missing. you can make out everything but 'the love of God', more or less.
Luke 22:43 An Angel appeared to Jesus and strengthened him
Why would an Angel need to help Jesus?
so long as you refuse to acknowledge what the NT says about Christs status on earth you'll keep thinking these kinds of statements cause Christians any problems, which they don't.
>ITT the month of Christmas and fedora tippers are already seething like israelites
its the gift that keeps on giving.
threads like these are a kosher salt mine
The Bible is riddled with outdated ideas that aren't in tune with the modern world.
sorry bro, homosex is a sin.
No, I specifically hate homos, don't get me wrong
why do you love the world then? The world says homosex good
They are guided by Satan and they don't even know it kek
You modern world is just like 50AD crap where Nero was parading his boybride while Rome was burning and everyone clapped, you can't just slap a slogan® on it and fool people.
Check your front door.
Nobody knocked
Don’t bother arguing their insane scripture. tovia singer on YouTube BTFO of Christians every single day.
Just realize all the vast majority of insane claims come from John and John was written last. It’s like how sequels have to outdo the originals.as the gospels evolved they had to add more and more insane shit like rocky I vs rocky IV.
You lost the argument.
You are three points down now, losing the debate with zero valid points.
>muh outdated ideas
Pic very related
thinks he's winning a theology debate by quoting "saints"....
you're allowed to continue talking if you can tell me what the word "catholic" originally meant, and how / why this adjective was applied to the church.
Ill take the Apostles witness testimony and willingness to be tortured and die rather than renounce it over a satanic Oyish child molester.
Cope.
Did Muhammed wrote the quran?
How about the hadith?
You just disproved Islam
Muhammed was illiterate.
The Quran wasnt even written while he was alive, and it was compiled by his child raoe vicyim, A WOMAN!
>Ill take the Apostles witness testimony and willingness to be tortured and die rather than renounce it over a satanic Oyish child molester.
You don't have to. You can just take Jesus' own words.
But that's not what catholics do, is it? If you read the bible instead of taking the priest's word for it, a lot of shit would be different in your religion.
Lol guess Jim Jones was right basedon suicide rates
>ITT I will attempt to highlight that Jesus is NOT God.
Pretty much all you have to do is quote Jesus himself. (Paraphrasing)"I am not God, don't pray to me. Also, don't repeat yourself over and over the way heathens pray, and don't pray in public for clout."
(i.e. the couple of verses before the 'lord's prayer' that no one seems to know exist, most especially Catholics)
False. -3 points for ignoring evidence already answering this.
You guys are losong badly.
Go rape kids in your sandbox with israelites. Your time here with israelites is almost up.
Im glad to have been a part of countering satanic muhammedism.
Next time you should perhaps address ypur contradictions and muhammeds endorsement of oaganism and his own rejection of his own laws.
You are warring with God.
I will oray for you.But when your family gets ill and your children die of cancer, remember you were warned.
have fun in hell, apostate.
Ignore him, he's just derailing a civil thread with his nonsense.
I guess we have to agree to disagree then.
Then why do you run?
Because Muhammed endorsed paganism in Mecca worshipping a pagan item?
Or because Muhammed fricked up references to OT stories and names?
Perhaps its because Muhammed broke his own laws?
Or perhaps its because he was poisoned by a woman he kidnapped and raped after murdering her family?
Guess what? Prophets cant be killed with poison. So that discredits muhammed too.
I addressed you in an earlier thread and here you are repeating yourself over and over and over. Stop deflecting manchild
Nope.
You are running away because you are losing the argument.
You are -3 right now.
But we are talking about Muhammed being a pedophile, supporting satanic pagan idol worship in Mecca, his verifiable errors and musnaming of OT characters recorded in the Quran, the fact he was poisobed, the fact that his book was compiled by a woman, and his hypocrisy in disobeyeing his own commands on number of wives.
Prove me wrong satan.
Sure, what's the age of consent in the Bible for the 5th time (counting previous thread too since you just kept ignoring and kept repeating yourself).
Paul taught against the law, James distrusted Paul and Barnabas and made him take the nazarite vow because of the dietary teachings being incorrect.
Again, your opinion.
Muhammed did rape a kid, and was poisoned by a woman he raped after murdering her family and he died.
Muhammed also disobeyed his own laws on wives.
He didnt wrote the quran.
He also made clear cut verifiable mistakes quoting prior israeli texts.
Keep running away satan.
Im going to keep pushing until you address it.
What's the age of consent in the Bible?
>What's the age of consent in the Bible?
however old her father is.
Never believed in 7th century motmon cults, so I cant be an apostate.
Islam is new and because oys new ots easier to disprove.
Which is why you guys kill people rather than debate. Because you are weak without the world.
Your beliefs are rooted in the eorld, your kingdom is wordly, and thus when the world ends, Islam dies with it.
not islamic, bro.
I believe jesus is not God because Jesus said it himself, and furthermore, the "Trinity" is 100% heresy. You will not find the word "trinity" anywhere is the bible, nor will you find any support for the concept. That's some gay transformers shit they added in to appeal to all the hipster Greeks living in Egypt. (Go watch some History Channel, kid.)
>the west is weak
>therefore get rid of Christianity
>therefore get destroyed by cultural Judaism and physically destroyed by Islam
>”at least we didn’t live for nothing!”
*dies anyway with a bleak outlook on life that even someone with little faith will detest for the simple fact that life has never been good, as it overwhelms their pride and safety nets with physical pain and general mental insanity*
Morals are not evil, governments are not gods. without governments you agree that the world would be even worse than it is now. Therefore, the work of those that not only believe in morals, but refuse to be optimistic about life are the only ones worth trusting.
Athiesm glorifies life, yet it always has to account for it being shit with laws. I don’t believe you can change human nature like the troonys and transcendentals. All athiesm is doing is telling people to unironically kill themselves which ever way they wish such as long as you don’t mentally believe in something that really, given the context if they took it at face value, didn’t exist the entire time. Their excuses being that people who DO believe make their life a living hell.
Meanwhile Christianity doesn’t nearly do anything that Islam does. Nor does it copy Judaism, because Judaism is a copy of Christianity without Christ, and athiesm sustains it directly by legitimizing a certain ethnicities claims to arbitrary land that only infuriates Islam.
I have seen more “athiests” complain about Christianity without even doing anything to discern it from Judaism, just so that Islam can physically behead people who aren’t even directly attacking it aside from being in unbelief.
Athiesm unironically favors Islam only because Islam literally kills you for attempting to subvert it. This in of itself is a tacit admission that there is no way for athiesm to reconcile itself with gatekeeping logic that israelites use to keep racists in tow with globalist lefty israelites.
Reminder all the insane claims about Jesus come from John and John was written last literally the rocky IV of gospels
False.
All 4 Nicene books were present in 200AD, and prior to that were quoted by church fathers in letters.
The Nicene Gospels are accurate to the lives of the apostles. Either you reject Jesus putright and disprove Islam in the process, or Christianity is true.
You lose -1 point for repeating false claim already addressed.
Are you ognorant ir simply a liar. I know Muhammed and Islam endorse lying, as they are satanic products, so is it ignorance ir malice?
Jesus Christ is King and God, Ever&Virgin Mary is the Mother of God and you pray to a mere man dead and buried who in his lifetime was a pedophile rapist warmonger who had delusions of grandeur and was a false prophet
All these ideas are fabricated in John which was the last book written
negative, this was understood by all the Apostles
Reminder John is the rocky IV of gospels. It was written last and all the insane claims come from John
metaphysics that the lot of it
theroretical physics, living tin the cloud israeli gold? ahahhh super conducter realates to highrer fertility better yield thats better looks bigger balls longer wieners and its inside the mind of the observer that the secret jesus was gold so he wasnt alloud to die becuase of his conductivity thes pl;ay set up by the greeks is just the proof of meta physics theroretical ophysics elite secret your blind and dumb collect your dogs *
All the wacky ideas come from John which is the rocky iv if gospels
Wacky ideas?
is this the new stone licker cope? their Paul angle got shot down so they're using John now? LOL
Paul still stands as an apostate.
wholly incorrect, abdul
>Paul apostate
Kek hes desperate.
So Paul survived poison, Muhammed did not.
Paul was willing to die painfully rather than reject the Truth.
Muhammed wanted others to die for him and died a coward and heretics death.
Ill take the guy who died not to reject God over the person who stole, raped, disobeued his own god, and died of poisoning by his rape victim.
Saul of Tarsus and his pilpul will lead you straight to hell
the apostles, early church, and most everyone else disagrees, not to mention that Paul doesn't disagree with a single thing said by Jesus or His immediate followers at any point.
dont forget how much vicious torture Mo subjected other to. Setting fire to things on a guys chest to make him reveal the location of treasure is a doozy.
All the wacky ideas come from John which was written last. John =rocky IV
Will you elaborate?
Okay 1 out of 2 showing John is known to be written last
he really got cut after the first movie or so didnt he
Stupid to try and it speaks more for your desire to not be accountable for your actions, for even the simulation theory demonstrates how easy it is for the holy spirit compares to a computer patch that makes one character have abilities no one else has, even if it is a direct line to the programmer, which is exactly how Jesus speaks as if he is being directed by the Father.
The mere attempt at disproving anything supernatural without first being supernatural oneself is utter midwit tier. It is a paradox to begin with.
You should try an find something Jesus said that was a direct quote that is not unique advice or wisdom or intelligent and yet this was someone who claimed to be connected to the divine and also prepared to die so the attention of his actions would draw everyone who hears or sees in. The parables to describe his methods and purpose will be understandable throughout the rest of time and through all stages of human advancement.
Your desire to want something to not exist is telling of the poor state of your being. God likely operates outside of time since that is a fundamental part of this universe.
So, Jesus says do not lie and do not do what you hate and this makes you seethe? Smh. Once again, the darkness fails to understand.
Darwinism pretty much functions on the logic time of the gaps. Meaning give anything time and it will happen. Infinitely circumstantial will yield an instance of occurrence.
So naturally athiesm skirting around attempting to believe in the universe while trying to explain how it came about with causal reasoning is very funny. It always functions on giant time frames using evidence that aside from locally man cannot personally verify.
Before the end God destroys half the stars and brings the sun low and the moon darkens. Demonstrating that the BIBLE acknowledges the existence of these things, destroying flat earth Black folk and also refuting scientism at the same time, deducing it as worldly wisdom, which in of itself is evil, because the steward of earth is evil.
Wisdom is timeless. The world is what you make it. To see the goods, you must first understand the bads. Everyone sees the world differently. Treat others with respect and dignity.
John written last. John is rocky IV with the most outrageous claims.
John was included because every Church between India and Spain had the same 4 gospels dating from the 1st century that agreed with all the churches writings.
If you reject the gospel you disprove Islam.
The Nicene Gospels are 1st century, and we kniw they existed and are accurate because church writings going bsck to that century quote the Nicene Gospels so often we can reconstruct them.
You have lost this argument years ago.
No matter how many times you reoeat it, like a israelite.
If any of you have any quotes that you'd like me to comment on send them my way.
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Only God Jesus Christ loves me and believes in me.
I love only God Jesus Christ.
I will survive and make it to God Jesus Christ crib.
No longer enslaved in a wage slave gulag, oppressed by financing, banking, shekels, purchasing agreements, payment for goods and services, constant dread and fear of homelessness and poverty.
No longer having to maintain a house by myself because no one gives a frick.
No longer having to do maintenance, repairs and installations and being exposed to cold hardship where no one gives a flying frick about me.
The only one I have allegiance to is God Jesus Christ.
I will make it to his Kingdom of Heaven of God Jesus Christ.
United with only God Jesus Christ in his crib a maintained, repaired house will be free, electricity free, heating free, sanitation and plumbing free, all goods and services from Geforce graphics card to food and drinks free, complete health care coverage free, nations and borders and religions that do not help me in any way gone instead I will live in the Kingdom of Heaven of the only God and eternal Nr.1 Jesus Christ, only united with him.
Jesus will control all things, everyone, everything, everywhere.
No animals that eat me.
No prostitutes fricking men, women, dogs, horses.
No men I have to compete with.
No people with shekels and force forcing me to be a slave wagie or soldier or otherwise.
No longer alone without anyone giving a frick about me.
God Jesus Christ will be in every son and daughter.
That I am fat, disabled, ugly, unwanted, hideous, shunned, incompetent, useless it does not matter he loves me and I love only him.
Love only me and sleep only with me and take care only of me free of charge with love he will.
I love only God Jesus Christ.
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Dawkins had it right. Christianity is absurd, but it is the guiding light of the west. It cannot be easily or quickly replaced, and all victories against it are victories against the continued success of western countries, and those who peopled them.
It is destructive to attack Christianity, and yet Christianity informs a host of self destructive ideologies and viewpoints, and just bad perceptions.
I honestly don't know what to do here.
Alpha and omega, remember that. That said, do what good you can in the world while you're here, that is the meaning of life. Be productive.
>Alpha and omega
More homosexualy shit courtesy of greek hispters.... the worst of christianity.
I'm sure Jehova doesn't want the sloppy seconds of whichever greek god (I don't remember) was called "Alpha and Omega".
god said to come shit on a godless homosexual so open wide.
Christ contradicted the old Testament numerous times. He's the Word made flesh while the rest is stories selected by fallible men throughout the centuries. Often very spiritual ones. Only when He speaks of the OT can you take it for a fact. Examples like his new mercy and the horrendous practice of circumcision made even worse these days by talmudists and prots/secular people which He is against completely. His oral teachings are well above the OT, fundamental Prot lemmings read it all very literally except His set high moral rules, those people are beyond cringe. You're likely Islamic and thus have a cut dick. You likely also dislike that the Lord disliked your tribal cousins as he showed in the NT. If you're of God you would be above such pity things as He's God and has a right to kill and look down on all of us. Only people who uphold his oral teachings and Catholic tradions can potentially reach Heaven. There is no salvation outside Him and His Roman Catholic trad faith.
Jesus himself is the foundation of Christianity, not the Bible. Personally, its difficult to take seriously Islam since its nothing but forced compulsion. OP's God appears to be מָעוֹז .
That is correct, Jesus was the one who reached towards God the most. Take other words as you will. That said, everyone has a voice for a reason.
>Jesus himself is the foundation of Christianity, not the Bible.
Cool. I'll just call him on the phone, ask him what he thinks, and then i'll tell you.
>pregnant pause abortion
he says you should give me money, and pay no attention to that other shit people wrote down.
You're about 1800 years late to the party mate. The early church debated this concept from the start until about 600. Did you actually think you are smarter than anyone else in Christianity in its history?
>Did you actually think you are smarter than anyone else in Christianity in its history?
how DARE anyone think they have more common sense than the early christians?! When you're beating your neighbor to death because he thinks Jesus was a God who was also man instead of a man who was also God, maybe then someone will listen to YOUR opinion.
What a terrible counter argument you have put forward. The "Is Jesus, God?" debate was one of the first major issue reconciled in the early church. In reality though, does it matter? The message doesn't change if he is or isn't, right. Why spend so much deciding whether or not it's a good idea to be a decent human being that practices love and forgiveness, just because the person who said it may or may not be a deity, the son of a deity, half deity/ half human or whatever. Through those words, I guarantee you it will bring you closer to God, or at the very least make you less of an butthole.
>The "Is Jesus, God?" debate was one of the first major issue reconciled in the early church.
And everyone was satisfied with and/or agreed with the result. Thanks Constantine!
>What a terrible counter argument you have put forward.
In argument against the idea that it's SILLY for me to think I'm smarter than early Christians, I presented the issue of the day for early Christians, which caused more blood to flow than when they were feeding Christians to lions.
Your counter to this is point out the meaninglessness of the man/god OR god/man distinction.
Your argument is invalid, sir.
Based on your comments in this thread, I think it an entirely reasonable that someone might arrive at the conclusion you are a bit of assclown, and you would stand to gain from focusing more on the message of Jesus's teachings and not the messenger himself. good luck out there and all the best.
Jesus is an allegory to Titus Flavius and the destruction of the temple in 70 AD.
This is very evident, it is like gospels subscribing to the written works of Flavius Josephus.
Still, there must have been an unknown religious sect before 70 AD that Christianity appropriated as evidence of Jesus and his followers, the messiah of the Essenes who is Chrestus, and Christianity is suspected of having appropriated this figure to build its mythology.
Have you lost mind??
Atheism is for homosexuals.
There's currently 3 high-reply anti-Christ threads where the OP has posted dozens of times. May God bless Hamas to rock you israelites some more so I don't have to see you seething homosexuals shitting the board up. Death to israelitesrael
Can't you answer where moahmmad is in the bible the last guy couldn't?
incorrect