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  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Your ancestors going back 50 generations were all christians

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      All your ancestors before that were Pagan.
      Christianity is a fad, historically speaking.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why should i care what my pagan ancestors were doing 2000 years ago when my parents are christian, my grandparents are christian, my great grandparents are christian, etc. I have absolutely no present connection to the pagan world as it was utterly vanquished 1000 years ago and neither do you.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ok.
          Why then is Neo-Paganism (even if it's fake) in the wrong in wiping out Christianity?
          Literally an UGH SMASH argument.
          Not sure that makes your side look good.

          Not only that but does that mean that Atheism good, if my great grandparents and on were Atheists (á la GDR)?

          Also, here in Europe Christianity is dead.
          Very old people go to church, that's about it.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Why then is Neo-Paganism (even if it's fake) in the wrong in wiping out Christianity?
            Because larping is gay
            >Not only that but does that mean that Atheism good, if my great grandparents and on were Atheists (á la GDR)?
            So long you are not a shitlib reddit new atheist, it is vastly superior to being a larping pagangay. I think you could even make an argument that New Atheism is superior to neo-troony-paganism

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            What do you mean by LARPing specifically?
            Are you claiming to know what other people believe in more than they tell about themselves?
            Also what do you mean by Pagan?
            Which kind, which era, is it completely constructed like Wicca, or do you mean the Hippie/Junkie New Age Pagans?
            Is dancing around a Maypole Pagan?
            Is an Easteregghunt and Hamfestival also Pagan?
            Is Easterfire Pagan?
            Is a Harvest Festival?
            Is New Years Eve a Pagan Holiday?
            What about Krampus?
            What about Carnival?
            What about Halloween?
            What about 'Winter-' and 'Sommersonnenwende'?

            I am citing these because almost all people in this country (Austria) participate in these, yet none of them are particularly religious, and most of them think they're Pagan Holidays that (some) were adopted into Christianity.

            There is also within the Germanosphere the divide between the Weihnachtsmann (Santa) and the Christkindl (Baby Jesus).
            Is one Pagan and because the other is Christian?

            I think Americans are Spiritually Neutered hence they don't even know what 'Paganism' even is, and just assume it's that Junkie in that Trailerpark who has 'Healing Crystals' and goes to Burning Man...

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ironically enough the entire concept of resurrection and redemption is itself thoroughly Pagan, and entirely unoriginal to Jesus even within his own lifetime.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Sha’ul was not particularly original.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not talking about Wicca. I'm talking about people who pretend to believe in deities like Odin or Jupiter, actual historical pagan deities. No one currently living lived in, or knows someone who lived in the societies which created these religions, and originally practiced them. As I stated earlier these religions have been dead for the past few centuries. Thus, anyone who claims to "be a pagan" is engaging in a larp where they pretend to be apart of these traditions. This is all typical of the age though, people will of course adopt foreign, or dead and rootless religions in order to rebel against what they perceive as the status quo, in this case Christianity. We saw a similar thing in the 60s when Western youth were obsessed with "the East" in order to rebel against Western Christian society. It's completely contrived and consciously generated out of rebellion. It is LARP.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            Also the fact that people celebrate holidays that have pagan origins is not something to be proud of. These are holidays which formerly had religious significance which have since been stripped of it completely. It's very similar to Christmas for most people (At least in the West) where the actual origin of the holiday is no longer entirely relevant and it has been largely secularized. Except in the case of many of these holidays they were Christianized, then secularized. Very few if any people are thinking about pagan gods when they celebrate these holidays or engage in traditions like Krampus. They have been in every sense deracinated from their pagan origins.

            I understand what you are saying, however my experience here is more that Christians railed against these throughout History and tried to eradicate them.
            In some places Maypoles and Christmastrees were outlawed, in other even a general 'pagan dancing' whatever that means...

            The 'Status Quo' here were those Festivals and Traditions, and Christianity tried and failed to interfere.
            In fact the Fairy & Folktales gathered by the Brothers Grimm I've heard are speculated to be altered forms of Pagan Myths, which they concealed in new Tales so they could evade Christian Persecution and pass on Moral Lessons to their Children.

            So if in the rest of the West there is no Connection to these Roots, I understand your concerns.
            But to label it as a General LARP is ridiculous.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >In some places Maypoles and Christmastrees were outlawed, in other even a general 'pagan dancing' whatever that means...

            this is almost always a problem exclusive to reactionary extremist Calvinist protestant societies, many many centuries after the associated realm had been thoroughly Christianized

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not talking about Wicca. I'm talking about people who pretend to believe in deities like Odin or Jupiter, actual historical pagan deities. No one currently living lived in, or knows someone who lived in the societies which created these religions, and originally practiced them. As I stated earlier these religions have been dead for the past few centuries. Thus, anyone who claims to "be a pagan" is engaging in a larp where they pretend to be apart of these traditions. This is all typical of the age though, people will of course adopt foreign, or dead and rootless religions in order to rebel against what they perceive as the status quo, in this case Christianity. We saw a similar thing in the 60s when Western youth were obsessed with "the East" in order to rebel against Western Christian society. It's completely contrived and consciously generated out of rebellion. It is LARP.

            Also the fact that people celebrate holidays that have pagan origins is not something to be proud of. These are holidays which formerly had religious significance which have since been stripped of it completely. It's very similar to Christmas for most people (At least in the West) where the actual origin of the holiday is no longer entirely relevant and it has been largely secularized. Except in the case of many of these holidays they were Christianized, then secularized. Very few if any people are thinking about pagan gods when they celebrate these holidays or engage in traditions like Krampus. They have been in every sense deracinated from their pagan origins.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Because larping is gay
            Sticking crackers in your mouth and pretending it's the body of a dead israelite is the ultimate LARP

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            The only thing neopagans wipe is cum out of their asses, have you seen the number of gays into it?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            No I haven't...
            But this goes exactly into my points here:

            What do you mean by LARPing specifically?
            Are you claiming to know what other people believe in more than they tell about themselves?
            Also what do you mean by Pagan?
            Which kind, which era, is it completely constructed like Wicca, or do you mean the Hippie/Junkie New Age Pagans?
            Is dancing around a Maypole Pagan?
            Is an Easteregghunt and Hamfestival also Pagan?
            Is Easterfire Pagan?
            Is a Harvest Festival?
            Is New Years Eve a Pagan Holiday?
            What about Krampus?
            What about Carnival?
            What about Halloween?
            What about 'Winter-' and 'Sommersonnenwende'?

            I am citing these because almost all people in this country (Austria) participate in these, yet none of them are particularly religious, and most of them think they're Pagan Holidays that (some) were adopted into Christianity.

            There is also within the Germanosphere the divide between the Weihnachtsmann (Santa) and the Christkindl (Baby Jesus).
            Is one Pagan and because the other is Christian?

            I think Americans are Spiritually Neutered hence they don't even know what 'Paganism' even is, and just assume it's that Junkie in that Trailerpark who has 'Healing Crystals' and goes to Burning Man...

            Most People I know are complete Normies and they go to these Festivals and Celebrations because they are Events that all Communities engage in.
            And they see these as Pagan in Origin.

            Not only that, but homosexuals are all over Christianity...
            There are literally only two Types of Christian that I've met:
            Those at Deaths Door and creepy Weirdos.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Modernist subhuman detected.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Because OP is a dadless loser and only has an idealized and abstract version of family and heritage. Not a very concrete one.
          This is specifically why they prey on this site though. It's full of miserable bastards. Easy pickings for every ridiculous movement under the sun. Troon grooming isn't working? Get him with the paganlarp. Paganlarp isn't working? Get him with Andrew Tate. The bastard will bite on something.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Why should i care what my pagan ancestors were doing 2000 years ago when my parents are christian, my grandparents are christian, my great grandparents are christian, etc. I have absolutely no present connection to the pagan world as it was utterly vanquished 1000 years ago and neither do you.

          It's as if people have no self awareness. People this admit that they worship their religion because their ancestors did and not because of anything of merit.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >People this admit that they worship their religion because their ancestors did and not because of anything of merit.
            Doesn't look like that to me. Seems like they're just saying that they have "absolutely no present connection to the pagan world as it was utterly vanquished 1000 years ago". Your conclusion is a big stretch, and you didn't even answer his question. Why should he care?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            He's admitting that he's worshiping religion based on inertia.

            No different than any Muslims or israelites.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >People this admit that they worship their religion because their ancestors did and not because of anything of merit.
            Doesn't look like that to me. Seems like they're just saying that they have "absolutely no present connection to the pagan world as it was utterly vanquished 1000 years ago". Your conclusion is a big stretch, and you didn't even answer his question. Why should he care?

            He's admitting that he's worshiping religion based on inertia.

            No different than any Muslims or israelites.

            I don't worship israelites, I'm merely pointing out the fact that paganism is a contrived larp.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            You worship Christianity because your grandparents indoctrinated your parents.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nobody "worships Christianity" moron.

            But it's funny the projection you're showing. You (and 99% of all atheists) only believe their (self-refuting) materialistic beliefs with its evolutionism fairy tale creation story because it's the state religion indoctrinated into kids in the LGBT government school system and reinforced in the israeli media.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Nobody "worships Christianity" moron.
            10 minutes of lurking on Oyish will easily prove you wrong.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >All your ancestors before that were Pagan.
        Your ancestors before that were atheists.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          I mean if we are going to lay out a path then surely animism is before atheism.
          But I would not call Ancestors who had no conception of Deities Atheists.
          They are so removed from the conversation they are not-even-theists rather than atheists.

          So the Order could be:
          Not-Even-Theism -> Animism -> Paganism -> Monotheism -> Atheism -> ...

          Maybe we are going at it the wrong way...

          [...]

          Take a look at this one.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Animism is paganism..

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Animism: No Gods only Spirits
            Paganism: Many Gods

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >t. Julian the Apostate

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Christianity is a fad
        If you're Western European, it's probably fair to say that all of your ancestors for the last 1000 years have been baptized and were practicing Christians.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          How many thousands before that did they practice Paganism.
          That's is the Joke...
          (sometimes the Cringe is off the Charts)

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Your descendants going forward 2 generations will be Muslim. So what makes Christianity special?

          Good point.
          Converts are the homosexuals.

          Everybody else is based for not converting.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      My ancestors were witches in Appalachia.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Your descendants going forward 2 generations will be Muslim. So what makes Christianity special?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Your ancestors going back 50 generations were all christians
      Well, most of my ancestors over the last century were atheists. Before that the only ones I know about for sure were nominal Christians who abandoned the Church as soon as it became to do so.
      Some of my ancestors were of other religions too, so dunno why I should favor Christianity.

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't know Romanians were israeli.

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Neo-Paganism has even less of a future than reddit atheism
    I can't imagine the average person ever having a fricking Wodan shrine in his house, let alone actively tending to it and worshipping the Aesir

    And that's not even getting into multicultural places with mixed-race populations. How would a Thorist respond to his daughter dating and fricking a Kemetist? If someone was of both Semitic and Anglo descent, would they worship Baal or Tyr or a hybridization of the two? How is the latter sustainable?
    What stops religions that offer things more than "it's the pantheon of your ancestors" from cropping up again? (not just abrahamic religions, but cults and apatheism as well)

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >no one dared to respond to this
      All LARP with no practicalities

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I can't imagine

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >has never heard of pagan syncretism
      you homosexuals don't even bother learning, do you? How do you think the romans viewed other religions?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >you homosexuals don't even bother learning, do you? How do you think the romans viewed other religions?
        Logically then shouldn't that mean that OP should have no problem with Christianity as its just a continuation of the pagan tradition of syncretism?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          read what interpretatio romana was, not the same as christians trying to get more converts by switching holidays around

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't see any difference, and besides we're talking about pagans in general not Romans in particular.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            we're talking about european paganism and christianity, how do you think christianity got so big?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >we're talking about european paganism and christianity, how do you think christianity got so big?
            By syncretism with paganism, which is why I'm so confused by why Christianity is supposed to be bad if syncretism is ok.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            The answer is the roman empire you dumbass

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Pagan syncretism: these specific gods are similar, let's worship them as one
          >Christian "syncretism": replacing all your myths with israeli ones, proclaim all other gods as demons, replace your local differences with a universal monoculture, totally inverting your values
          hmmm, i wonder what the difference is?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            ha ha silly that was what happened in Palestine.

            >YHWH was one of numerous local gods, in time declared the only one and the rest demons and a israeli monoculture developed

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    israelite on a stick btfo all pagan gods, absolute weaklings

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      This.
      Why would you follow a religion that didn't work for it's most ardent believers?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        You mean like Christianity? Even where it does exist it’s brown.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          LoL I was about to say...
          How exactly did Christianity avert our current Situation?
          LoL

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Look dude I'm not christian. I don't really care if it less popular. But trying discredit christianity as bad because "brown" people are involved is moronic because it's made for everyone.

          Regardless, it's undeniably true that christians killed off paganism. Pivoting to shitting on christians won't change that.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      So if I burn down your churches and therefore become based and strong, will you worship me?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Now in turn, the church is being btfo by homosexuals, browns and men who think that they're women.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >over 1 billion members and growing by 100 million every year
        you have a strange definition of being btfo

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Are theocracies being implemented in the west right now?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            The US is literally one of the most pozzed countries on the planet right now.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >pozzed
            I may be getting old, but what does this term mean?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Refers to a male homosexual fetish of unprotected anal sex, and giving AIDS to another gay man, as an analogy for woke politics entering mainstream political discourse.

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't pander to any religion, politics, ideology or philosophy unless it sates my craving for the erotic anymore. Where are the pagan legends about women peeing?
    If there are none I'm not interested.

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    What were the pre-Christian spiritual beliefs of the Spanish and Basques?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Celtiberian feast of fukk 'er innabushes

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      They believed in a great dragon that bred scottish girls

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    your own anscestors recognised the superiority of the Christian religion over their fables and they abandon it in waves making it extinct in a matter of few generations, as normally as when a person sees light in darkness he moves towards the light.
    your own ancestors would be ashamed of you for reviving their fables and autisitcally believing in them, if it had any value it would have withstood the challenge of truth when it was confronted with the christian religion, which obviously it didn't.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      My ancestry was fedora

      Obviously no god is superior to Yeshua

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      > your own anscestors recognised the superiority of the Christian religion over their fables and they abandon it in waves making it extinct in a matter of few generations, as normally as when a person sees light in darkness he moves towards the light.
      So did the people of Egypt who converted from Christianity to Islam also move from the dark into the light?
      > your own ancestors would be ashamed of you for reviving their fables and autisitcally believing in them, if it had any value it would have withstood the challenge of truth when it was confronted with the christian religion, which obviously it didn't.
      Where I live in Ireland pagan beliefs persisted along Christianity into the 20th century in the form of fear of the Aos Sí/fairy folk, which are basically the same entities as the old pre-Christian Gaelic gods if you get into the lore.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the lore
        dude played skyrim and just hasn't been the same since

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          "dude this is just like minecraft" tier post

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          > dude played skyrim and just hasn't been the same since
          Talking about the poster you’re responding to rather than to them directly is the most irritating aspect of zoomerspeak

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's kinda smart tho.
            There are no good Christian Games to throw back at them, so it's an uphill meme-battle

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >There are no good Christian Games to throw back at them
            skyrim is literally about catholicism

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Since when is Skyrim a good game

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Shit, I just noticed that qualifier there. I was moreso responding to the weird meme I see sometimes that pagans converted because of skyrim when skyrim has extremely christian overtones.

  8. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    what's scotland supposed to be, atheism?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pictish druidry

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        what does that mean for me then? go kill a goat if my life isn't going well?

  9. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Sabaoth
    WHAT

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Learn xir pronouns, YHVH Adonai Sabaoth

  10. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    You don't really believe in Odin or whatever. EVERYONE knows you're larping and they think its laughable and pathetic

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      No, quite sure I believe in pagan celtic gnostic religion . Notice it's gnosticism so you're gonna love it

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >pagan celtic gnostic religion
        Meme

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      So you’re saying that the only way to have sincere faith in a God is to be brought up by parents who instill that faith you in you as a child? What does that say for Christian faith?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >So you’re saying that the only way to have sincere faith in a God is to be brought up by parents who instill that faith you in you as a child
        No, but you bringing up being raised Christian out of nowhere says a lot about your pagan "faith" you fat contrarian loser

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why should I believe that your belief in YHWH is genuine and not just the produxt of bAsEd TrAdCaTh internet memes?

  11. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Paganism is an atheist false flag

  12. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Paganism is impossible to recreate because normally the proper prayers, incantations and other ritual formulas are supposed to be passed down from father to son, but that chain has long been broken. If paganism is the true religion then we're quite literally screwed. It's the equivalent of if Catholicism were true but all priests in the world had died and there is no more Apostolic succession, which means no one can perform baptisms or hear confessions.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      If paganism is the truth then the truth can be rediscovered. Some of you morons aren't after the truth, you're after tradition, even if the tradition is bullshit.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        I agree with this, the idea of 'oh hurr durr we fricked' is ridiculous and just because we didn't do some ritual of succession?

        Not only that, but I believe Christians also had a similar Concept.
        The Book of Nature iirc...

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        How do you plan to rediscover it? There is no pagan bible.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          The Book of Nature

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Plato and Aristotle =/= paganism. Read The Ancient City by Fustel de Coulanges and you'll see what I mean. Basically, what mattered to all Indo-European pagan cultures that we know of was performing the rituals correctly to a T. If the rituals are forgotten then it's over for you.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >defines paganism his own way
            >says you do paganism wrong

            sounds like a you problem

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I define paganism as the religion of ancient Indo-European cultures. The Greek philosophers were free thinkers who didn't share the beliefs of their society -- Socrates was killed for causing people to question their beliefs. How would you define paganism?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >

            [...]

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Sounds like some sort of philosophy, and not actual paganism. It's quite impossible to be a real pagan in the modern age. You have to be the sort of person who believes that there are literal spirits everywhere, and that the reason why a knife is sharp is because it has the Spirit of Sharpness, and if it's blunt it's because it does not have the Spirit of Sharpness. At most, you can call yourself a neo-pagan, or "pagan" with scare quotes for good measure.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >At most, you can call yourself ...
            How generous of you.
            I will keep calling myself pagan though.
            I live rural, and I live with people who are interested in European Myth.
            We practice our Festivals.

            If you think that's 'not pagan enough' then you can sit in the corner and rethink your life...

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            "I don't believe in the fundamental beliefs of Christianity, but I like the Christian aesthetic. I am a Christian."
            There's a perfectly good word for people in your situation: neo-pagan.

            How was it discovered to begin with? That's how.

            The pagans had passed down that knowledge from generation to generation since time immemorial. If there's any way it was originally "discovered" it was probably through trial and error (seeing which rituals yield better results), or perhaps by having it revealed in a dream. Are you really going to try millions of different variations of rituals to see which make the gods the happiest? Are you going to wait for the truth to be revealed to you in a dream? Notice, philosophy is not part of it. You need to rely on the gods and not on yourself. That's why the public officials of the Roman republic, though they were nominally elected by the people, were in fact appointed by augurs after looking for signs from the gods.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            as opposed to paleo-pagan or meso-pagan?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            As opposed to pagan. There are actually some real pagans in the world today, but they all live in isolated tribes.

            > "I don't believe in the fundamental beliefs of Christianity, but I like the Christian aesthetic. I am a Christian."
            That’s basically the future of Christianity also.

            Those people won't be Christians then.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            > "I don't believe in the fundamental beliefs of Christianity, but I like the Christian aesthetic. I am a Christian."
            That’s basically the future of Christianity also.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          How was it discovered to begin with? That's how.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      There is litetally no surviving original manuscript of the Old Testament either, which is the foundation of Christianity.

  13. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Come back to your native Gods
    How do i know which tribe my ancestors belonged to, a thousand years ago? Different tribes worshipped different deities

  14. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    You wouldn't even know how to engage in pagan rituals.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      You wouldn't even know how to perform circumcision as described in the Bible.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Christians
        >perform circumcision

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous
  15. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    There is no such thing as an ethnic god. The gods take on different forms to different races, all pagans knew this.

  16. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    pagansm is just "spiritual but not religious" for men and you know it

  17. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nah frick that

  18. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >If we cannot at once rise to the sanctities of obedience and faith, let us at least resist our temptations; let us enter into the state of war and wake Thor and Woden, courage and constancy, in our Saxon breasts.

  19. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    why is it always celtic paganism in spain and not the roman religion?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Spain used to belong to the empire of Éire Mhór.

  20. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    so let's get this straight, instead of worshipping different bearded guys who are the progenitors of life, we all just agree to worship one? Like the Romans did?
    it sure sounds like you just want to balkanize (You)Rope

  21. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >people pretending to be "the real israelites" calling you fake pagans
    kek

  22. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >muh ancestors
    Black person you have hundreds of millions of years of ancestors who were fricking fish

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      In their honor I do, in fact, eat fish smaller than I.

  23. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    What rituals have brought forth betterment in your life to justify your religion?
    "Meditation" is a universal practice & context of said meditation is crucial if one is to use it as a tool to measure "peace".

    Also, it's funny how Europeans will often point to Christnity being weak when in fact it's just protestantism in its natural declining state since without Christ & Holy Mother church, Catholicism, it ultimately leads to ruin.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Catholicism is declining in Ireland, Spain and the rest of Europe outside of Poland, what are you talking about? Even Latinos are becoming evangelicals now.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Catholicism is one of the branches of Christianity that people point to when they say that Christianity has failed.

        >Catholicism

        >yeah trust me bro, this monk cut down this fat ass oak tree all by his lonesome self in only a few moments, while the whole village just watched

        The Catholic church is an international grooming gang led by a Marxist, it is fallen.

        >What rituals have brought forth betterment in your life to justify your religion?

        Note: Just because injustice in men are in the church does not make the church evil nor invalid.

        It's like saying "my silver has tarnished. We better throw out the entire currency system".

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Romanism is collapsing in Poland too.
        https://x.com/sheemawn/status/1714864420076274165?s=20

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Interestingly, Poland is experiencing a surge in the growth of Rodnovery alongside the Vatican's collapse.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            WODEN forgive me for uttering these words but... poland is.... based?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          A disingenuous infographic at its finest. It's a drop, but coloring the 60-69.9% regions as grayish makes it look like a far sharper drop than it actually is

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            You know I have a link in my post showing the extent of the decline. Poland is going down the same route as Ireland and Quebec.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Poland is going down the same route as Ireland and Quebec.
            I think this is just part of a pattern wherein Catholicism and Orthodoxy require explicit state enforcement and oppression to continue to exist because there's just no genuine belief in these religions. It's all about interacting with the institution, but the institution only matters if it has special treatment. This is probably why Protestantism, despite being overall more anarchic and incapable of coherent action, sticks around longer: it has far more genuine believers and those genuine believers have things to do other than interact with an institution.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Catholicism is one of the branches of Christianity that people point to when they say that Christianity has failed.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Catholicism

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >yeah trust me bro, this monk cut down this fat ass oak tree all by his lonesome self in only a few moments, while the whole village just watched

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Catholic church is an international grooming gang led by a Marxist, it is fallen.

  24. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christian Europe conquered the world.

    As an aside, Pagan LARPers tend to focus on the Norse who are cheap knock-offs of Roman Era Celts and their split-offs and descendants. They’ll brag about muh viking warrior spirit when the only old roman territory they took was England, (muh Great Heathen Army) which had been hit by the collapse of Rome harder than any other province.

    Virtually any famous Celtic or Gothic king mogs every single Norse leader to ever exist.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      *Europe conquered the world
      Fixed that for you. The desire for money, glory, power and nationalism conquered the world. The religion was only relevant to individuals who believed and not everyone in Europe was Christian. You also had people who went along with the religion to keep up social status.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        and now the Christian world will conquer Europe

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          yeah and catholic charities are assisting in that

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            based Catholics, always winning.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            BASED latinx catholic EMPIRE!!!!

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            indeed

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Denying the impetus of religion in colonization is ridiculously stupid. It consumed relations between colonizing powers and natives the world over.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          yes, it was about enriching the church
          tell me where in the bible christ would have approved of enslaving and conquering peoples

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >tell me where in the bible christ would have approved of enslaving and conquering peoples
            The Old Testament depending on your interpretation of it

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
            >Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
            >The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.
            >The Lord shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.
            >indeed I will greatly bless you, and I will greatly multiply your seed as the stars of the heavens and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your seed shall possess the gate of their enemies.
            >For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
            >For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
            >Your hand shall be on the neck of your enemies; Your father’s sons shall bow down to you.
            >No weapon that is fashioned against you shall succeed, and you shall refute every tongue that rises against you in judgment.
            >Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall hurt you.
            >“But if you carefully obey his voice and do all that I say, then I will be an enemy to your enemies and an adversary to your adversaries.
            >“When you go out to war against your enemies, and see horses and chariots and an army larger than your own, you shall not be afraid of them, for the Lord your God is with you, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Can we at least get people who pretend to be interested in history on this fricking board? Please?

            >I'll ignore all the Bible except the part that proves my point

            >christ came to redeem the world from evil
            >thats why the world looks exactly the same as it did before him but now killing people is justified by israeli fairytales instead
            Your whole religion's message is pointless

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the world looks exactly the same as it did before him
            ............wut?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            how fricking stupid are you?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            i'm definitely struggling to understand your statement.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh, a basedjak. Looks like this guy's already too far gone. Well, remember to pray for him.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I said literally nothing theological I was purely discussing history and you started showing you don’t give a shit about it

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Can we at least get people who pretend to be interested in history on this fricking board? Please?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I'll ignore all the Bible except the part that proves my point

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Christian Europe conquered the world.
      No it didn't. Why do people still believe this moronic meme?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because there are more followers of Christianity than the other religions.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          So? There are almost as many Muslims.

  25. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christianity is better

  26. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    RETVRN TO TRADITION.
    HAIL THE OLD GODS AND OVR ANCESTORS.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gSiZWTVSszA

  27. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anglo-celt here, should I be worshipping Belenus or Woden?

  28. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    who is the Serb god ?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Serbian Zeus.

  29. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Modern "Paganism" will never be more than a few LARPers shitting in the woods because it lacks several key components.
    1: Actual Belief. No religion whose membership consists of 90% atheists will ever matter for obvious reasons. Members will not stick around in hard times for something they don't actually think is real, nor will any real converts join since there is no "Truth" offered like the organized religions.
    2: Legitimacy and Continuity. Every actual religion from Christianity to Islam to Buddhism to whatever has a continuous living chain back to it's founding. Their practices, whether or not they're true, are part of an unbroken chain of doctrine and theology. Modern "Paganism" has no chain to actual real life historical Paganism, being ignorant of both it's theology and ritual life. This is suicide for a "religion" whose whole point is being a revival of a real religion.
    3: Paganism not being a single religion. Paganism is simply a catch-all term for the unorganized beliefs that arise in various different cultures before organized religion comes along. In truth Paganism was a million small contradicting faiths with different beliefs and traditions. You can't revive it because there is no one thing to revive. The only way you can get more than a local amount of people to follow the exact same religion is through force or intimidation. As we live in more enlightened times doing such is no longer considered moral and we thus see a rise in Atheism/Agnosticism and "Fad" conversions like western Buddhists. To truly bring back "Paganism" you would have to first create a singular Pagan faith (good luck getting everyone to agree on its pantheon/beliefs/rituals/etc.) And then find some way to enforce it upon an unwilling populace (good luck taking over the government and establishing your specific Paganism as the law of the land.)

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Your argument rests on pagans being atheistic
      none of the points you bring up really matter if the gods actually exist, it wouldn't really matter

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        > if the gods actually exist, it wouldn't really matter
        They Don't

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          are you christian or an atheist?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >They Don't
          How do you explain the temples, priesthoods, and laity then? Are you suggesting that they're just doing what you do with Eastern Orthodoxy?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Modern "Paganism" has no chain to actual real life historical Paganism, being ignorant of both it's theology and ritual life.
      I've never really understood this argument. What's the value of man-made (or rather, man-promulgated?) rites when you believe that the gods are actual, real people that you can communicate with and ask for guidance?
      If you believe that god exists outside the universe and that he does not interact with humans beyond a few instances in the bible, the receiving an unbroken religious tradition is vital for authenticity, but if you believe that your gods will literally talk to you in your dreams, then it kind of just feels like a moot point. It feels like you essentially just want to say that paganism is invalid because it isn't christianity.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >If you believe that god exists outside the universe and that he does not interact with humans beyond a few instances in the bible, the receiving an unbroken religious tradition is vital for authenticity, but if you believe that your gods will literally talk to you in your dreams, then it kind of just feels like a moot point
        This is particularly lulzy given that the average tradlarper will simultaneously argue that you are damned to eternal hellfire unless you're a Catholic but also that the Catholic church ended in 1962 and no one has been or can be Christian since.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >when you believe that the gods are actual, real people that you can communicate with and ask for guidance?
        lol, lmao even

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          I REALLY hope you aren't a christian, lmfao

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            absolutely am

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >he thinks "god" talks to him
            lol, lmao even

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >think

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          do you actually have a point to make or are you just doing twitter clapback shit

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Funny how they are all like this now. Because reddit atheists spent so much time bashing on low hanging fruit like evangelicals, the 2020's e-trad now trawls the internet with a shit eating smug grin on his face, thinking to himself "I bet you've never heard of THOMAS AQUINAS before". They now hide behind a veneer of intellectual depth that really isn't that impressive upon closer inspection.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            we can't move onto aquinas yet, you guys still haven't even addressed Augustine!

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            that your 'gods' are either powerless demons, or non-existent. most often non-existent. i'm laughing at the idea that someone actually believes they exist as powerful dieties when they conveniently have never exercised their power even once in all of human history.
            at least be like most neopagans and say it's all a metaphor.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >t.
            funny, when has yahweh exercised his power at any point in human history?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            read the Bible and the lives of the Saints. you'll find plenty of miracles.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            And now we find jesus on burnt toast

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            LMAO

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            actually, the canon of Scriptute is semi-arbitrary. the actual resting authority is the apostles.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            We can consider your argument a partially modified version of the chart, where you expect us to believe church propaganda like "miracles" by saints and appeals to authority.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            i don't expect you to believe anything. believe whatever you want. i will, however, laugh at both the atheist and pagan. one worships himself and the other worships dead matter.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            You are an atheist and you don't even believe in your own god, he is nothing more than a vague 'first cause' for your worldview.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            on the contrary, my God are living Persons, one of those Persons even being an historical man who was born and died.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >ummm he's the son of a god but he's not a DEMIGOD ok he's both FULLY human AND FULLY divine ok!

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            indeed. the hypostatic union has always been one of the great filters.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >heh.... it's not a contradiction, you just got FILTERED!

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Spiritual authority rests in the Gods, not ancient israelites.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            So it's all just conclusory beliefs based on presumptions that must be taken as a matter of faith. That's such a precarious place to be attacking somebody from, and yet you do it with so much pride. You have to realize that you just look like a tool, right?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            let your 'gods' show themselves to the world if they want the world to believe in them

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I believe that I've met Odin before in passing, but I'm sure you're going to dismiss that out of hand, so I have to ask again: do you actually have any point to make here? Your argument thus far has essentially been "I'm right because I'm right," which I think it goes without saying is probably the least persuasive form of argumentation imaginable.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >believe that I've met Odin before in passing
            and what divine acts of power did he perform?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >what acts of divine power did the creator of mankind and the universe perform????
            Your fedora is on too tight.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            these gods are certainly shy.

            Well, given the circumstances under which I met him, something approaching omniscience.

            in what way did he display his omniscience?

            >thinks gods are magicians to entertain him

            as i said, very shy, these beings if infinite power.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >ummm your god isn't real lol prove it
            >mine is real because Saint Biddledieboo TOTALLY prayed to a picture of the venerably MARY and it started DRIPPING with what must have been HOLY WATER in the year of our lord 1832!

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            it seems strange that you can't provide even a single example of a miracle.
            the one anon at least thinks he met Odin. what excuse do you have for believing in things that have never shown themselves to you?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >it seems strange that you can't provide even a single example of a miracle.
            neither can you moron

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >it seems strange that you can't provide even a single example of a miracle.
            The rebirth of Asatru, and Steven McNallen getting turned invisible. This is ignoring premodern miracles.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            a legal procedure and some guy allegedly turning invisible.
            wow, so powerful! LOL

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            you have to be trolling, you can't actually have this little self-awareness

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            my God flooded the entire Earth. he wiped out Sodom and Gomorrah. he fed thousands with a single loaf, he raised the dead, healed the sick, gave sight to the blind. he raised himself up from the grave and ascended into Heaven.
            your 'god' performed a parlour trick

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            that's cool man

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            His Gods have done some sick stuff though. From creating the world by shaping it from a dead giant's corpse, to killing monsters in general, to fighting the Vanir and so on.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            no that doesnt count! you have to give me simpler miracles!

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            a legal procedure and some guy allegedly turning invisible.
            wow, so powerful! LOL

            >gets upset at big cosmological miracles
            >gets upset at small personal miracles
            Sounds like you're just gay. Have you considered taking the banana out of your butt? I know it's a big part of your atheism, but it's the current year dude.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Sorry anon, but you already said that that sort of stuff doesn't count.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >as i said, very shy, these beings if infinite power.
            nobody said the gods have infinite power stupid abrahamic

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            they don't even have infinite power!? so not only do they not exist, but even if they did exist, they would be weaklings!
            theae gods are like turbo betas: shy and weak.

            >it seems strange that you can't provide even a single example of a miracle.
            neither can you moron

            i provided you with dozens. every miracle in the Bible.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >in what way did he display his omniscience?
            I was deeply disturbed by something that had happened in my life, so I meditated on the Havamal one evening. The next day, I was able to put some of the teachings of the Havamal into practice (particularly Odin encouraging charity to the poor). I gave an old homeless man a bunch of money, and when I turned around and began walking up the street, I saw that an old man with a long, gray beard was watching me on the steps of a church. He smiled knowingly and waved, and I gave my best autistic "Y-you too" and left.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            or it was just a kindly old man. it's good you gave the old homeless man some money though. i will pray to my God for blessings to come to you.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well, given the circumstances under which I met him, something approaching omniscience.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >thinks gods are magicians to entertain him

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >yes i retroactively tacked on my particular religious fanfiction over another tradition (abraham was ACTUALLY a CHRISTIAN don'tcha know!) so i'm more legitimate than you!

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >blockposting
      post discarded

  30. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Abrahamism
    Note that virtually no one aside from OP and a handful of subliterate brownoids uses this term.
    2100+ results: https://desuarchive.org/his/search/text/abrahamism/

    >Abrahamics
    Note that virtually no one aside from OP and a handful of subliterate brownoids uses this term.
    1980+ results: https://desuarchive.org/his/search/text/abrahamics/

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      People started using the term "Abrahamism" because they got tired of Christians here constantly whining that atheists only criticize Christianity, and never Judaism or Islam. (Which is blatantly false, virtually all the big "New Atheist" figures in the 2010s attacked Islam all the time) So people just started lumping Christianity, Judaism and Islam in one category to criticize all of them at the same time.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >they got tired of Christians here constantly whining that atheists only criticize Christianity, and never Judaism or Islam.
        Realistically 99% of the meme discussion of Christianity is really just about Judaism by proxy. No one cares about tetraclavianism or homosionism vs homousionism, they attack Christians for genital mutilation and importing gazillions of Black folks to Europe and the US in order to help Israel genocide Palestinians.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          While the rest of the criticism is valid, the USA is the only (nominally) majority Christian country that still performs routine genital mutilation (the Coptic Church also does it, but it's a relatively small minority). Circumcision was rejected very early on in the history of Christianity.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >hurr they are using a term to group related religions! evil! evil! they are brown! hail my universalist religion that accepts browns!

  31. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pagan Gods = Aliens.

    Jesus's father = Alien.

    There is no God.

  32. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine being an idiot who tries to revive dead religions. Religions that btw deserve to be dead and forgotten for eternity

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      But they aren't dead, they're living religions.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ehm, since when. Pagan religions live on the oral traditions, that means one generation telling stories to the next. That was rightfully stopped by Christianity. Btw, the core of Pagan religions, the direct and immediate connection to nature through idols is not possible flr todays people, i'd argue

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Ehm, since when
          At latest 1968 when the AFA was founded (I'm being nice and ignoring earlier dudes like Von List or Sylenko).

          >Btw, the core of Pagan religions
          The core of Asatru is worship of the Gods, and it's entirely possible, hence why the AFA has temples. And the AFA's not alone, every country in Europe has at least one temple to the Gods.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Modern revivals of pagan religions are pathetic attempts at recreating something that really wasn't there

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Christianity is a pathetic attempt at claiming salvation for peoples who the biblical god never gave a frick about

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I agree, your whole Ortholarp thing is pretty pathetic.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >are pathetic attempts at recreating something that really wasn't there
            like yahweh being the only god of the israelites?

  33. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    The fact that christians mock the idea that other gods might actually exist really shows that the romans were correct in asserting that christianity was atheism
    Christians 1800 years ago absolutely believed that the pagan gods existed, but simply asserted that they were "demons".
    The idea of 'classical theology' (god is just a foooorce man) adds credence to this.
    Christianity lead to the disenchantment and despiritualization of the world.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ironically, the Old Testament acknowledges the existence of other gods. It merely asserts that YHWH is the most powerful of them all and the one to be worshipped since he is the god of the Hebrews.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        I assert there's a bigger God

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          was a dumb fad 2000 years ago, is a dumb fad again today

  34. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >albania left blank
    >the only country in that map that's been culturally pagan the whole time

  35. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Augustine's City of God refuted your whole belief system back in the 5th century.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      how ?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        You can just read it, it's available for free online. The tl;dr is that belief in pagan gods never did anything for the Romans, had some absurd rituals (Cybele's castration practices for example), their gods didn't promote good morals while also being depicted doing tons of immoral stuff by the poets which means there is no sense in following them, attempts by Plato and others to rescue this system end up as an inferior form of Christianity anyway and so on. This is from memory from having skimmed it, it's quite long and I'm probably misrepresenting his arguments.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >belief in pagan gods never did anything for the Romans
          They conquered the world while worshiping the Gods and then completely collapsed in less than a century while worshiping israelites dude.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Which is like, the main thing the book was written to argue against. It was written while Rome was falling and Christians were being accused of being at fault due to abandoning pagan worship. I don't really remember the argument properly but it was something like: bad things happen now but a ton of bad things also happened while Romans were pagan. Meanwhile pagan Rome did countless evils in their gods' names like all the conquering they're proud of. Here is the book:

            https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1201.htm
            > [Augustine refers to the sacking of the city of Rome in 410 by Alaric the Visigoth. He was the most humane of the barbarian invaders, and had embraced Arianism. He spared the Catholics.]
            >Thus escaped multitudes who now reproach the Christian religion, and impute to Christ the ills that have befallen their city; but the preservation of their own lives — a boon which they owe to the respect entertained for Christ by the barbarians — they attribute not to our Christ, but to their own good luck.

            >Troy itself, the mother of the Roman people, was not able, as I have said, to protect its own citizens in the sacred places of their gods from the fire and sword of the Greeks

            And so on.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >that belief in pagan gods never did anything for the Romans
          is spiritual fulfillment not "doing something"?
          >had some absurd rituals
          the craziest norse rituals basically just involved sacrificing and then eating an animal. A barbecue, essentially. There's hardly anything absurd or dangerous about that.
          >their gods didn't promote good morals while also being depicted doing tons of immoral stuff by the poets which means there is no sense in following them
          Well the norse gods are virtuous and good, even if they are flawed, so this argument doesn't apply.

          And I'm expected to believe that this BTFOs my religion?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Well the norse gods are virtuous and good
            only if you just read certain myths under a certain interpretation of what virtue and goodness means

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >well if i redefine putting things up my butt to be good then odin is the bad guy for telling me not to put things up my butt!
            Well, duh?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Well, duh?
            and with that you just made your whole argument null

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're the one saying that you can redefine morality on the fly as you please here dude, not us. We believe that morality is objective and defined by the Gods, you believe that you can just come up with whatever you want. You can't, though, and it results in incoherence and anarchy.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >only if you just read certain myths under a certain interpretation of what virtue and goodness means
            I mean, the stuff Odin says in Havamal reads as being extremely morally advanced, even now, one thousand years later.
            So I mean, yeah, if you envisage a totally bizarre, hypothetical future like the Purge or something where murder and violent crime becomes acceptable and encouraged, then yes, the virtues of the norse gods might become "obsolete," but it's highly doubtful that such a future will ever come to pass. And, if it does, it is hard to imagine it lasting for long before humans revert to a kind of morality largely consistent with Odin's teachings.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            The Havamal just reads like a pagan proverbs/wisdom of solomon.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's varied life advice and moral teachings. The Havamal is like 6 different poems smashed together by the compiler of the codex regius for some reason.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I would presume it's because all of the stuff in it comes from Odin. Loddfafnir is just quoting Odin after all (leading to a humorous recursivity if we assume that Odin taught the Loddfafnismal to someone else).

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I would presume it's because all of the stuff in it comes from Odin
            I'm sure that's the reason why, yeah, it's just that the subject matter of each poem is largely different and unrelated which makes the whole thing kind of a confusing mess. Seeing Odin go from talking about proper etiquette when travelling and how to become wise and then just immediately segueing into "And so then I fricked Gunnloth for four whole days" is kind of funny

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Havamal reads as being extremely morally advanced
            now go see the other myths outside the havamal
            also, nothing in the havamal strikes as particular moral advanced, or even moral(as in adressing morality/moral questions) at all

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            You should probably read the text before having an opinion on it.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I did read it, that how I formed my opinion
            you should read the rest of the eddas

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            You pretty clearly haven't if you believe dumb stuff like
            >nothing in the havamal strikes as particular moral advanced

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            >or even moral(as in adressing morality/moral questions)
            yeah no you didnt read the fricking havamal at all lmfao odin directly addresses this repeatedly

            No, I read it
            much of that are just pratical stuff that would be seen as wisdom to a society structured like the old norse one and much more violent than today
            I not saying that there isn't useful stuff there, only that it isn't advanced moral philosophy

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >only that it isn't advanced moral philosophy
            Yes it is. It's not just rigid proscriptions of Thou Shalt (Not), although he does literally say to do things by divine writ a few times. Rather, he's actually making arguments and explaining why you should do things. He's making a case and often doing so from multiple angles, notably those that a mortal can find on their own. The empiricism and rationality (as in, "man is endowed with the faculty of reason") are Odin (A GOD) giving us an epistemology on top of a system of ethics.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >only that it isn't advanced moral philosophy
            lets see, havamal has
            >the golden rule, reciprocity
            >all human life has value
            >the worth a human life is not tethered to their wealth
            >be generous and give to the needy
            >do not prejudge others based on their status in life or on their appearance
            >don't lie
            >don't hold grudges or covet the possessions of another
            >don't cheat on your spouse
            And that's just off the top of my head. That seems like some pretty sophisticated moral thinking from Odin to me.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I did read it, that how I formed my opinion
            you should read the rest of the eddas

            >or even moral(as in adressing morality/moral questions)
            yeah no you didnt read the fricking havamal at all lmfao odin directly addresses this repeatedly

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >now go see the other myths outside the havamal
            You're going to have to list of some of the poems where the norse gods act morally dubious because, to wit, I think the poem where one of the gods is most morally dubious is probably Harbarhtsljoth where Odin says a bunch of terrible stuff to Thor (Most of it is outright lies but certain things, like Odin giving an opinion an something obviously can't be verified) to rile him up.
            Otherwise, the gods are constantly out doing good stuff. Thor kills monsters that threaten humanity (he's explicitly called our protector in Voluspa), the gods appear to cure diseases and other afflictions according to pagan charms that we've uncovered, and Odin, evidenced by Havamal, likes to share his expansive knowledge with us humans for our own benefit.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            To add to your list: Hyndluloð has Freyja, Thor, and Odin directly and personally helping a dude in personal ways (including Freyja burning a witch-demoness to death).

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh, get off it. Norse pagans still argue about stanza 83 to this day. Regardless of your internet misogyny echo chamber, this is indeed a hotly debated topic.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >You can just read it
          I already did, it's a shity polemics book by an late classic incel. I was not convinced by any of his "arguments"

          >that belief in pagan gods never did anything for the Romans
          the golden age of both the republic and the empire was under paganism

          > had some absurd rituals
          like christian ritualistic cannibalize their "god", venerate and kiss corpses and human fluids ?

          >(Cybele's castration practices for example)
          Matthew 19:12
          "For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb; and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men; and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven."

          and let's not even comment about the castrati

          >their gods didn't promote good morals
          1. on your opinion
          2. and... ?

          > which means there is no sense in following them
          no

          > attempts by Plato and others to rescue this system
          rescues from what ? from not agreeing with Plato's philosophy and preferences

          >end up as an inferior form of Christianity anyway
          that is not even an argument

          >it's quite long and I'm probably misrepresenting his arguments.
          the thing is, Augustine had no real arguments only b***hing about how his side was le good and everyone esle was le bad

  36. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >inb4 but Thor was under an illusion at the time! The Giant tricked him!
    I'd rather not follow a God who could so easily get fooled by a Giant.
    Thor
    >At last Thor became wroth, and grasping his mallet with both hands he struck a furious blow on the giant's head. Skrymir, awakening, merely asked whether a leaf had not fallen on his head, and whether they had supped and were ready to go to sleep.
    >Thor, full of wrath, again set the horn to his lips, and did his best to empty it; but on looking in found the liquor was only a little lower, so he resolved to make no further attempt, but gave back the horn to the cup-bearer.
    >As he finished speaking, a large gray cat sprang on the hall floor. Thor put his hand under the cat's belly and did his utmost to raise him from the floor, but the cat, bending his back, had, notwithstanding all Thor's efforts, only one of his feet lifted up, seeing which Thor made no further attempt.

    Jesus
    >His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >comparing a fricking GOD to some random israeli dude
      lmfao

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        You know what Jesus did to your gods? He just cast them right into the fire, because they weren't gods. They were just idols of wood and stone. He even compared them to a menstrual cloth to be thrown away.
        >All who make idols are nothing, and the things they delight in do not profit; their witnesses neither see nor know, that they may be put to shame. Who fashions a god or casts an image, that is profitable for nothing? Behold, all his fellows shall be put to shame, and the craftsmen are but men; let them all assemble, let them stand forth, they shall be terrified, they shall be put to shame together.
        >Ye shall defile also the covering of thy graven images of silver, and the ornament of thy molten images of gold: thou shalt cast them away as a menstruous cloth; thou shalt say unto it, Get thee hence.
        >No one considers, nor is there knowledge or discernment to say, “Half of it I burned in the fire, I also baked bread on its coals, I roasted flesh and have eaten; and shall I make the residue of it an abomination? Shall I fall down before a block of wood?” He feeds on ashes; a deluded mind has led him astray, and he cannot deliver himself or say, “Is there not a lie in my right hand?”

        >>At last Thor became wroth, and grasping his mallet with both hands he struck a furious blow on the giant's head. Skrymir, awakening, merely asked whether a leaf had not fallen on his head, and whether they had supped and were ready to go to sleep.
        iirc Thor actually almost killed Skrymir with his blows and Skrymir was trying to play it cool so he didn't look like a gay.
        >>Thor, full of wrath, again set the horn to his lips, and did his best to empty it; but on looking in found the liquor was only a little lower, so he resolved to make no further attempt, but gave back the horn to the cup-bearer.
        >>As he finished speaking, a large gray cat sprang on the hall floor. Thor put his hand under the cat's belly and did his utmost to raise him from the floor, but the cat, bending his back, had, notwithstanding all Thor's efforts, only one of his feet lifted up, seeing which Thor made no further attempt.
        the horn was the ocean, meaning Thor drank a huge chunk of the sea out with one gulp, and the cat was actually the Jormungandr, a dragon the size of the world. And Thor managed to lift it up.

        What did I say?
        >>inb4 but Thor was under an illusion at the time! The Giant tricked him!

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Damn, you sure go to bat for these israelites. I bet they think very highly of you for it!

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >>>inb4 but Thor was under an illusion at the time! The Giant tricked him!
          I mean, Thor kind of needed to be deceived for the story to happen the way Snorri wrote it. There's already a story where Thor consciously lifts up the Jormungandr and does other impressive stuff, so there's no point in Snorri dispensing with the illusion angle.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            We're also talking about entities that are so far above human comprehension that doing
            >lol why does a god need a boat
            is sort of pointless. This story doesn't happen on Earth, let alone in fricking Midgard.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's crazy that rational people believe either of those when we don't see any outlandish miracle in the modern world that would justify this kind of thing happening.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's because Revelation is israeli schizobabble and Third's tale in Gylgayining doesn't take place in Midgard. So yes, they don't take place in the modern world because one is fiction and the other doesn't take place in the world at all, it takes places outside of it.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >>At last Thor became wroth, and grasping his mallet with both hands he struck a furious blow on the giant's head. Skrymir, awakening, merely asked whether a leaf had not fallen on his head, and whether they had supped and were ready to go to sleep.
      iirc Thor actually almost killed Skrymir with his blows and Skrymir was trying to play it cool so he didn't look like a gay.
      >>Thor, full of wrath, again set the horn to his lips, and did his best to empty it; but on looking in found the liquor was only a little lower, so he resolved to make no further attempt, but gave back the horn to the cup-bearer.
      >>As he finished speaking, a large gray cat sprang on the hall floor. Thor put his hand under the cat's belly and did his utmost to raise him from the floor, but the cat, bending his back, had, notwithstanding all Thor's efforts, only one of his feet lifted up, seeing which Thor made no further attempt.
      the horn was the ocean, meaning Thor drank a huge chunk of the sea out with one gulp, and the cat was actually the Jormungandr, a dragon the size of the world. And Thor managed to lift it up.

  37. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Paganism doesn't seem to ever be able to get away from the "reconstruction" phase. Just look at people like STJ he'll be reconstrooocting until the end of days.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. But on the other hand, if you want proper paganism you can look at things like African religions and Japanese Shinto for example. It's just those European pagan larpers who couldn't keep their traditions alive.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Christianity still hasn't gotten away from the "exploding into more and more mutually exclusive sects", look at people like sedevancists, they'll be calling the pope illegitimate until the end of days

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >counter-signalling sectarianism which is basically just Christian tribalism as a pagan
        Cringe.

        The fact that it is possible to build a clanish tribal religious community off the Bible where you can point to an unchanging word of God is like the only based part of Christianity.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >The fact that it is possible to build a clanish tribal religious community off the Bible where you can point to an unchanging word of God is like the only based part of Christianity.
          This isn't unique to the bible at all

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >it is possible to build a clanish tribal religious community off the Bible
          not coherent one, as it goes against all that jesus and the apostles taught

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >where you can point to an unchanging word of God is like the only based part of Christianity.
          muslins would say otherwise

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is a good criticism of STJ's youtube channel to a degree, but he IS literally a Gothi of the Odinist Fellowship. Likewise, the AFA is pretty well past "reconstruction", given that it has multiple temples, an international laity, an ordained clergy program, and even a fricking homeschool program: it does babynamings, weddings, and funerals. In Russia Rodnovery is basically a parallel society in all but employment opportunities. You can be born, live, and die in this thing.

      Yes, "internet Paganism" has people stuck in the nerd-game of "reconstructing" polytheism, but the religion is practiced in real life, not on the internet, and in real life it's no longer just an abstract theoretical. Frankly, it hasn't been for a long time.

  38. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hercules assfricking a lion in the bottom left, very pagan

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous
  39. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Neopaganism will never catch on because it's almost never a genuine belief. If you debate a Christian or a Muslim they'll try to prove that their religion is true, if you try to debate a neopagan they generally just try to prove that their religion is morally superior whether because "muh ancestors", "muh based religion", or "muh nature."

    It just comes across as either hippies thinking that making flower crowns and dancing around trees is a religion and Atheists who don't want to be bullied for being Atheists so they do something more cringy.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Neopaganism will never catch on because it's almost never a genuine belief. If you debate a Christian or a Muslim they'll try to prove that their religion is true
      This thread is pretty clearly evidence that the opposite is the case.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Well, we can't really "prove" that the aesir exist. We know they exist because of personal experience, but "I saw Odin on the street yesterday" is about as convincing as "Well, all actions have a cause, meaning the universe had to have been caused by something. That something is the christian god because uh shut up," which is to say that it is not convincing at all. We recognize this, which is why we don't bother.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It just comes across as either hippies thinking that making flower crowns and dancing around trees is a religion and Atheists who don't want to be bullied for being Atheists so they do something more cringy.
      oh you mean like eastern orthodoxy? i agree yeah ortholarping is pretty cringe

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >oh you mean like eastern orthodoxy? i agree yeah ortholarping is pretty cringe
        Yes that is pretty cringe too, but unlike neopaganism there are genuine followers rather than people just reeeing about a israelite god.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >but unlike neopaganism there are genuine followers
          I dunno man, the fact that these are living religions with temples and priests makes them seem pretty genuine.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >think all neopagans are /misc/tards or ethnocentrist odinists or even "right" wing
          just go look at neopagans outside the "trad" circles

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh my... I never should have insulted Woden...

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Let me put it like this for you.
        The Pagan gods are fake and you should be mocked for trying to worship them.
        The Abrahamic god is fake and you should be mocked for trying to worshiping him.
        The Dharmic higher power (Gods or Buddha) is fake and you should be mocked for worshiping it.
        The only difference is that believing in the latter two at least has the forgivable aspect that the worshiper is part of an uninterrupted social tradition that indoctrinated them from birth to ignore its moronic parts. NeoPagan "believers" don't have the excuse of being born into it and having social pressure to not rock the boat. Instead they willingly chose to join a moron club. It's no different than joining Scientology or Mormonism.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >tips fedora

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >admission of defeat.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It just comes across as either hippies thinking that making flower crowns and dancing around trees is a religion
      and ?
      no really what make the hippy version 'not a religion' ?

  40. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christ is the universal God.
    God of everyone.

  41. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    What's even the goal of Neopagans here? Are they trying to convert Europe?

  42. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    The only way we’ll ever see a return to religion in Europe is a massive comprehensive government crackdown on information that challenges it. This was Platos idea for the ideal society, an atheist elite to steer the religious masses. This has basically been the goal of all major religions since the elite became atheist in the 19th century. It really doesn’t matter what the religion is as long as it has the desired outcomes for society.

  43. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    People have spent something a thousand years without making sacrifice to the old gods and everything has been working fine. People can sail without paying attention to Poseidon or win wars without invoking Tyr. What is the point then?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      *something like a thousand years

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >and everything has been working fine.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        At this point Poseidon should be so pissed off at the thousands of years of no sacrifices, no rituals and disbelief that sailing should be impossible. The oceans should be absurdly violent. Same goes for every other god from every domain. Yet people use boats and ships every day.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          neptune lost to caligula in the first century, and as a result he promised to keep the seas calm for 2000 years
          it's nearly up, and sea levels are rising anon...

  44. 7 months ago
    Anonymous
  45. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've learned from this thread that truth derives from mass extermination and propagandizing your descendants that your views have always been the view of your group.
    >but how is that related to truth?
    what truth?

  46. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    What does the basque country one read?

  47. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    @15997730
    >hurr hurr groom hurr

  48. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    A third of the "great heathen army" was Christian and most people that venerate old gods today are Christian. You have no mind. All you have are mindless appeals to propaganda designed to control morons like you.

  49. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >paganism needs...XD...le... Apostolic sucession... XD

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