Sup /adv/
Been thinking about getting in touch with religion, but can't really find anything that fits.
Basically needs to fit these criteria as close as possible
>Strong, invigorating community
>Views "God" / "Gods" as higher powers in the Universe that exist beyond our understanding in reality, but doesn't really interact with us meaningfully or necessarily in a benevolent way. We're, at best, the God / God's hobby experiment if it did make us.
>Aesthetic, awe-inspiring and ethereal temple architecture
>Encourages you to maximize your potential physically, intellectually, and spiritually, to become something of a Demigod IRL
>Preaches celibacy, but not necessarily until marriage, just until 'worthy'. So you must be capable of handling the consequences of sex. Views contraceptives as acceptable but sexual hedonism as strictly forbidden.
>Views science as deriving from God's Nature, and the study and resulting innovations from it aren't evil and sinful but something to be celebrated.
>Allows belief in Evolution
>Is anti-LGBTQ+/Alphabet Person, anti-progressive politics
>Encourages patriotism
>Encourages family & community
>Originates from Europe with a long history, ideally
Family is historically Roman Catholic, but Mom's side is Baptist. Catholicism seems closest but there's a ton of heresies in my requirements lmao.
Secularist does fit me but there's no real community in that.
With all that being said, what religion should I follow, /adv/?
>that list of demands
You don't want a religion you want a new-age bullshit right wing equivalent of women who don't shave their legs or arm pits and play pretend witches claiming to harness the spiritual power of stonehenge and whatever full moon crystals without actually following a real religion
Yeah unironically
Anything like that out there, my assblasted friend?
Not really no, like I said it sounds like you're just the mirror image of leftist woke people who "follow" Buddhism while having gay sex
Forgive me if I'm wrong, you sound like you want all the security and affirmation a religion brings but don't want to partakes any stuffy rituals or dogmas, and yet it is still strict enough to help you 'get ahead' in life. If you do this, your mileage may vary. I recommend reading Carl Jung, Joseph Campbell, Alan Watts. Throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks. But if you really want to be holy you need to abandon the idea of 'I need religion because I want to be better'. You're not supposed to be better for yourself, you're supposed to be better for your God.
>Forgive me if I'm wrong, you sound like you want all the security and affirmation a religion brings but don't want to partakes any stuffy rituals or dogmas,
Correct
>and yet it is still strict enough to help you 'get ahead' in life.
I don't feel like I need religion to get ahead in life, moreso religion to provide a committed community who complements my life.
> I recommend reading Carl Jung, Joseph Campbell, Alan Watts.
Any texts in particular for each?
>You're not supposed to be better for yourself, you're supposed to be better for your God.
I feel like the betterment of myself in order to better serve my God(s) isn't mutually exclusive. I'd be happy to dedicate my personal betterment to the God(s) I follow, among the deity's other requirements.
You're right in a sense. You could say I'm the other-side of the horseshoe. Do you have a religion for me or not?
Dude. You are not asking for religion, you're asking for friends. It checks out, loneliness is a problem for everyone in the modern world, I still don't know how I will find like minded people either. But religion has nothing to do with it.
I could point you to rationalists, paganists or secular naturalists but I don't know much about them and I don't think the community is that strong. I could point you to organizing with your conservative party too but you would find a lot of the redneck schizos you're trying to avoid. We're just gonna have to do the extremely boring work of picking and choosing people who agree with us until we find a decent group. Could be bikers, could be a chess club, what the frick do I know.
For what is worth, I agree with mostly everything except LGBT, Europe and patriotism.
Pretty much all real religion, spirituality, and transformation is going to require you to stifle your ego and do exactly what you don't want, face your own inner darkness such as it were -- this is the point of most stuffy dogmas and rituals is to take you out of yourself so you can see clearly and humble yourself. There's no cheating that at the end of the day. It requires /some kind/ of work, worship, sacrifice.
For Campbell read his Masks of God series and if any of his interpretations of religion jump out at you read more on the specifics. Jung has a more psychological analysis and is more rewarding but it requires more work and more reading, start with Man & His Symbols. Alan Watts you can listen to some hours of his lectures on Youtube, he has books but he is a great speaker and his books are transcriptions of talks for the most part.
If you want to be religious, as Yoda says, you first have to unlearn what you have learned.
dude's shopping for a religion that makes him feel better lmaooo get the frick out
You basically described islam without the sex part since the only time islam sees one as capable of handling sex-consequences is when married, and it doesn’t originate from europe but whatever floats your boat, I’ll answer every question u have that’s related to the things i know about islam as -the suitable choice-
Yeah not at all in practice
Should've mentioned, but I've a great dislike of Islam. It is a hard *pass* along with Judaism. Neither are good for men like me and I dislike what I've interacted with from both communities.
>You are not asking for religion, you're asking for friends. It checks out, loneliness is a problem for everyone in the modern world, I still don't know how I will find like minded people either. But religion has nothing to do with it.
Partly right, but I do have a friend group. Only problem is we're losing some common interests. I don't like gaming as much anymore and I dislike making bars, as well as couch potato-ing, a majority of my day.
Religion seems like the quickest way to find a strong community with nobler goals if you look hard enough.
>For what is worth, I agree with mostly everything except LGBT, Europe and patriotism.
Sweet, though those three are pretty big imo.
Thanks for the books and resources
>If you want to be religious, as Yoda says, you first have to unlearn what you have learned.
Might be worth it in the grand scheme of things
I have a few good introductory videos on hand. See if they resonate with you, if they don't that's fine too.
Who is that lion-serpent fella doodlin' the Earth?
The Demiurge. An obscure Gnostic Christian sort of demon who created the material plane we're now all trapped on, and has selfishly cut off humans from the spiritual good stuff and full union with the capital G God. Think The Architect from The Matrix, there's even a brief line in referencing it in the second movie.
>The Demiurge.
Overlord had me think he was a standard, horned demon creature like Ba'al or Amon. How cool.
Every isekai makes me with to kill every panda that won't screw to save its specifies but Overlord is alright.
There's no active European religion unless you want to count Stoicism. If you're looking for a more complete system, there are efforts by Tibettan Buddhism to support the formation of a Europe-native version of Vajrayana.
You'd do well to actually live in Europe if you care about your ancestral heritage btw., it's because of the diaspora that Europeans are spread too thin to keep outsiders out consistently. If you want to do good deeds for your ancestors, encourage all relatively pure European people in the diaspora to repatriate as soon as possible, it's definitely an appreciated effort by real European natives too so it'll ease your time here once you've made it back.
, invigorating community
Lol you're not gonna find this anymore my guy
Unironically try larping
>Ethereal temple architecture
My sides
>Ethereal temple architecture
>My sides
Leave your goon cave sometime homosexual
Mormonism is interesting as it is the only major Abrahamic religion which has a doctrine of continuous revelation. Most Christians believe that God stopped speaking to man after Jesus while Muslims believed God stopped speaking to man after Mohammad. That intuitively seems arbitrary to me (though I haven't read much theology) so I'm inclined towards Mormonism. Mormonism is also the only White frontier religion in the world and so is adapted to that mindset, unlike the other sects which came about during feudalism. For example in the Mormon framework Blacks are viewed to be different to Whites, which I believe to be true but no other religion other than pagan larp addresses this.
Confirm, Mormonism meets just about all the points in OP
I'm actually surprised how Mormonism encourages attaining godhood. Always thought it was just gay knock-off Christianity but it turns that I had it backwards.
Can you specify how you found Mormonism to encourage attaining godhood? And what you mean by 'godhood'. I wrote
Mormons believe that if you follow Mormon doctrine that when you die you become a god and get your own planet and have sex forever with spirit women.
came here to say the same thing lol, for sure pretty similar in most ways.
vedic rat temple
Just so you know you are not looking for religion so much as you are looking for an identity. If you actually believed in a religion its not because it fits all your values, its because you believe the tenants. By choosing based on your values you already have all you are doing is essentially picking the color of a shirt at the store.
>If you actually believed in a religion its not because it fits all your values, its because you believe the tenants.
I don't follow the idea that values and belief in tenants are separate. I'd say an individual follows those tenants because he believes they align with values he understands. Otherwise why follow something against your will?
>Otherwise why follow something against your will?
Because your will is probably incorrect
>Otherwise why follow something against your will?
This is an oxymoron
>I'd say an individual follows those tenants because he believes they align with values he understands
And hes be wrong 99% of the time. People are self interested and reject things they dont understand. Its worth it to try to understand things other than what's in your comfort zone.
>looking for an identity.
What identity does a mix like OP's fit?
culturally i'm a Catholic, belief wise i kinda vibe with the Unitarian shit, but i can't imagine ever going to one of their churches and not feeling like i just sucked a thousand wieners. they're just too woke/edgy for me.
classic. invent a religion that fits your own preconceptions, or try to find one that already exists.
dude. just accept that God is God and he's way more powerful than you. He has told us we aren't just a hobby experiment. You just don't believe it yet. that's fine, btw.
>dude. just accept that God is God and he's way more powerful than you. He has told us we aren't just a hobby experiment.
How can I, as a heathen heretic non-believer, know for sure?
>Choosing
Already failed.
I chose Daoism at age 32.
Sure bro
Just worship the sun.