Can I still be Orthodox if I refuse to venerate Mary? There are so many phrases during prayer and worship that I'm hesitant to say. For example "Most holy Theotokos save us" or prayers to God will often end with "through the Theotokos, have mercy on us."
Isn't it supposed to be Jesus that intercedes for us to God?
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>Isn't it supposed to be Jesus that intercedes for us to God?
That's still worshiping a human.
Mary is not an average woman. No average woman could give birth do Isa.
FYI
>Can I still be Orthodox if I…..
Which “orthodox”?
Old Believer Bespopovtsy Orthodox?
Oriental Orthodox?
Assyrian Orthodox Church of the East?
Eastern Orthodox on the side of Russia in the current schism?
Or Eastern Orthodox on the side of the Constantinople, Alexandria, Ukraine, Greece & Cyprus in the current schism?
Or Old Calenderist Eastern Orthodox (such as the Matthewites & Cyprianites)?
Or Western Orthodox Churches (such as the Celtic Orthodox Church & British Orthodox Church)?
Or “True” Orthodox?
>Old Believer Bespopovtsy Orthodox?
In communion with EO via Edinoverie
Oriental Orthodox?
Schismatics
Assyrian Orthodox Church of the East?
That's not the name they use to refer to themselves, not even orthodox
Eastern Orthodox on the side of Russia in the current schism?
Yes, in communion with EO
>Or Eastern Orthodox on the side of the Constantinople, Alexandria, Ukraine, Greece & Cyprus in the current schism?
All in communion with eachother
>Or Old Calenderist Eastern Orthodox (such as the Matthewites & Cyprianites)?
Blatant schismatics
>Or Western Orthodox Churches (such as the Celtic Orthodox Church & British Orthodox Church)?
Unrecognized, but claim communion with EO.
>Or “True” Orthodox?
Schismatics
So really there's no such thing as "Orthodoxy", there's just two factions and a bunch of meme ethnic-churches.
Nowhere did I state anything close to that
There is not such things as Catholicism just a bunch a radtrad SSPX types vs normie Catholics vs Sedevacantist diamondites
>In communion with EO via Edinoverie
You clearly don’t understand what you are talking about if you think Edinoverie speaks for all old believer. Reddit is down the hall and to the left.
>Oriental Orthodox?
>Schismatics
They would say the same thing about you. Why should anyone accept your position over the others?
>Assyrian Orthodox Church of the East?
>not even orthodox
They would say the same thing about you. Why should anyone accept your position over the others?
>Yes, in communion with EO
No with Alexandria, Greence, Cyprus, Constantinople or Ukraine.
>All in communion with eachother
But not in communion with Russia.
Please stop publicly lying, it’s bad for your soul.
>Blatant schismatics
They would say the same thing about you. Why should anyone accept your position over the others?
>Unrecognized, but claim communion with EO.
Your think Western rite, not western orthodoxy. You need to read more.
>Or “True” Orthodox?
>Schismatics
They would say the same thing about you. Why should anyone accept your position over the others?
Most Old Believers aren't in communion with the main churches. In fact Edinoverie are called Old Ritualists to signify the difference between them and the Old Believers. Fairly not that it's easy to join the Old Believers anyway. They pretty much refuse to talk to outsiders and make you jump through a lot of hoops if you want to convert.
>Assyrian Orthodox Church of the East?
Nestorians, who venerate Theodore of Mopsuestia and Nestorius. Only a few scholars believe he actually didn't believe it besides them, so they could be wrong, along with the scholar consensus is also that the bible wasn't written by eyewitnesses, so you have to take what they say with a grain of salt. Further, Nestorius knew Theodoret and took counsel with him, with Theodoret having nestorian ideas. His supporters John I of Antioch and Theodoret of Cyrus, who petitioned for him to use the term "theotokos", either reconciled with St Cyril or condemned Nestorius at Chalcedon.
>OO
Miaphysites. They believe in one essence that's both fully divine and fully human, Christ being out of two natures. This poses problems since you now have a nature that's different than humans and God, along with how this nature could work without mixture. Pope Discorius ignored the concessions and agreements St Cyril made with others that Christ had two natures after the incarnation and beat up St Flavian for this confession after not giving him a chance to defend himself, ignored St Pope Leo's tomb, along with condemning Ibas, Theodoret and others even though all those people either were reconciled with St Cyril or the the church, having made clear they believe Christ is one person. He also reinstated Eutychius, who believed in the idea of mixture. There's also multiple church fathers that speak of two natures in Christ like St Ambrose, St Gregory the Theologian, St Augustine etc.
Their theology is very different, with Severus of Antioch denying two natures, two wills and two activities.
Russia is still in communion with multiple autochephalous EO bodies, same with Constantinopole. This is normal 1st millenium ecclesiology. Severed communion didn't destroy it and usually they were resolved within a few decades.
No. Just become Lutheran. They properly respect and honor her without her being a point of division in her Son’s body.
No, if you don't respect the blessed virgin you have no place in a real church, go convulse "in tongues" and worship snakes and Israel somewhere else.
>Can I still be Orthodox if I refuse to venerate Mary?
No.
Based simple and straight answer anons.
you can’t be orthodox because they don’t let Black folk in the church
Look up what Naksh is. Islam is contradictory with itself. Muhammed is at first peaceful when he has no army, then when he becomes a warlord it suddenly becomes violent, and the violent verses abrogate the previous ones due to naksh. Does that sound like the word of God to you? Christ is God. Naksh means that when two verses in the Quran contradict each other, the later verse is the correct one and cancels out the earlier one.
This is stated in the Quran itself (2:106 and 16:101). Few non-Muslims know about naksh, and Muslims exploit this ignorance to trick outsiders about what the Quran really says and teaches. Naksh is also why reading the Quran in chronological order is important. Traditionally, the Quran is not arranged chronologically, which makes it difficult to determine which verses have been abrogated.
>Can I still be Orthodox without accepting one of the most basic principles of Orthodox theology?
No.