Can anyone offer an argument for the existence of God which can be convincing?
Can anyone offer an argument for the existence of God which can be convincing?
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Talk religion
Can anyone offer an argument for the existence of God which can be convincing?
Existence of God? No, but I think I've got a pretty convincing case on why atheism, specifically the atheist objection to the existence of God on empirical grounds is pretty inconsistent.
Why it is inconsistent
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Frick, it's on Oyish in any case.
Search for the slow boy thread.
Have fun.
I fart
The motion of the fart moves the fart around
Evidence: people can smell it
That means the fart doesn't stay still
Therefore god exists
No.
Fixed.
No. You know when you know.
Yes. I can.
If you want to be able to do the same, put the rudimentary amount of effort necessary to research the basics of this topic.
You are welcome.
you have to experience god to be convinced...
there is no way of knowing the existence if something a priori...
God is infinite and perfect, if he existed only in my mind he would not be infinite or perfect, therefore God exists.
you need to prove your first statement has to be true for your second statement to be true
>you need to prove your first statement has to be true
How about instead of being a low IQ atheist you actually discuss?
nice ad hominem
If the shoe fits, I mean, I calls them as I see them.
People groan and roll their eyes when you mention it but the TAG argument to me seems to pretty decisively eliminate the possibility of the contrary. If you don’t accept some sort of transcendent thing, which would be a sort of God by default, you can’t really accept anything. At that point it’s just navigating a series of arguments to figure out exactly which sort of God makes sense.
I'm pretty new to the TAG argument, so I have a few questions: Why would logic and morality necessitate a higher being? Would this argument, were it true, not be demonstrating only that the universe was created by something, rather than specifically the abrahamic God?
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I think it's probably possible to make some kind of argument that there exists something that's omnipotent or omnipresent or "superior to everything else," something like what the ontological argument tries to do (but kind of fails IMO). But even if it was proved outright, the existence of such a thing doesn't imply diddly dick about what religion you should follow. The best it could do is turn an atheist into some kind of deist or pantheist, but in practice they would treat the existence of this "God" as not much more meaningful than a mathematical novelty.
>But even if it was proved outright, the existence of such a thing doesn't imply diddly dick about what religion you should follow. The best it could do is turn an atheist into some kind of deist or pantheist
Wrong. TAG solves this question.
sure Jay, I'll look into that as soon as I'm done watching your latest Tiktok cringe compilation
Just because Jay goofs around sometimes doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's talking about when he's being serious.
Yeah. It's actually pretty obvious once you understand the Transcendental Argument for God (called TAG for short).
Theology is a waste of time
No he has it backwards.
If God created logic, then God’s existence is not logical by definition, and all of our logical arguments are useless for trying to prove that he exists.
How so would logic proceed god?
Because if logic didn’t exist, then God wouldn’t exist. God relies on logic to exist. Otherwise, then you must admit that God’s existence is beyond logic and it’s pointless to use logic to explain why he exists. Or God and logic are the same entity, in which using logic would be a circular argument (God exists because of God)
>God relies on logic to exist
How do you come to this conclusion?
If you disagree, I already gave the alternative possibilities. If God doesn’t rely on logic, then we can’t access the explanation of his existence through logic
Okay I'll try. All matter in the universe is an interwoven mesh of connected particles in motion that is constantly interacting. Any form of divine being that is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent would exist in a way that defies humanities attempts to rationalise it's motives because we cannot grasp the scope of it's activities or influence. Linking the first concept to the second, Christian idea of God is that it makes up everything in the universe and that concept has survived the test of time within the religious space and modern science continues to reveal more way's that matter is connected as technology evolves to study it.
I'm an agnostic so finding common ground with both sides has helped shape my worldview, I don't necessarily believe what I wrote above but it is as close to proof that you'll get without dying and finding out yourself.