How will tradcaths cope now?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/pope-formally-allows-priests-to-bless-same-sex-couples
BREAKING: Pope gives blessing for gay marriages
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How will tradcaths cope now?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/pope-formally-allows-priests-to-bless-same-sex-couples
: Pope gives blessing for gay marriages
>So, not from 25 years ago?
>>>>&Humanities btw
>>>well I'm trans though
Meanwhile
>NOOOO!!! You're topic is relevant! I can't discuss real or modern issues!
Why don't you grow up and join the real world?
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Good. Less backwards homophobia.
Kek
Brown tradcath apes in shambles
The Catholic church is just an international grooming gang led by a Marxist, just like many leaders they hate their followers
He didn't.
The journalists misrepresented what happened.
>38: For this reason, one should neither provide for nor promote a ritual for the blessings of couples in an irregular situation. At the same time, one should not prevent or prohibit the Church’s closeness to people in every situation in which they might seek God’s help through a simple blessing. In a brief prayer preceding this spontaneous blessing, the ordained minister could ask that the individuals have peace, health, a spirit of patience, dialogue, and mutual assistance—but also God’s light and strength to be able to fulfill his will completely.
>39: In any case, precisely to avoid any form of confusion or scandal, when the prayer of blessing is requested by a couple in an irregular situation, even though it is expressed outside the rites prescribed by the liturgical books, this blessing should never be imparted in concurrence with the ceremonies of a civil union, and not even in connection with them. Nor can it be performed with any clothing, gestures, or words that are proper to a wedding. The same applies when the blessing is requested by a same-sex couple.
>40: Such a blessing may instead find its place in other contexts, such as a visit to a shrine, a meeting with a priest, a prayer recited in a group, or during a pilgrimage. Indeed, through these blessings that are given not through the ritual forms proper to the liturgy but as an expression of the Church’s maternal heart—similar to those that emanate from the core of popular piety—there is no intention to legitimize anything, but rather to open one’s life to God, to ask for his help to live better, and also to invoke the Holy Spirit so that the values of the Gospel may be lived with greater faithfulness.
Priests can bless gay dudes just like they can bless anyone else. But they can't bless their union or do anything that gives the impression that the Church approves it.
You're right based on those quotations but I'm still confused. A priestly blessing automatically imparts God's mercy in catholic theology?
>new document explaining a radical change in Vatican policy by insisting that people seeking God’s love and mercy shouldn’t be subject to “an exhaustive moral analysis” to receive it.
In other words, if the given subjects of a blessing are unrepentant homosexuals, they're receiving mercy without repentance? How does that work?
Substitute unrepentant homosexual for any other sin too.
I think you are confusing blessings and confession?
Priests can bless anyone. They can also bless pets, for example.
I'm using the terminology from the article
I think the PBS article is not using the words in a very strict sense.
It seems the blessing is for those who recognize they are not living in a good way but want the blessing in order to improve themselves.
Is it improper to say the blessing automatically imparts mercy, rather than wishing for God's mercy? (MAY the god of all peace etc.)
By mercy, do you mean the forgiveness of sins?
As opposed to what?
Dunno.
But normal priest blessings are not believed by the Church to give forgiveness of sins.
Not saying you're wrong, but the article states otherwise. Do you have language that the church actually uses on the topic?
I think this might be a good source
https://rcspirituality.org/ask_a_priest/ask-a-priest-can-sins-be-forgiven-in-the-absence-of-confession/
I don't think this answers the question but thanks
If you have the time, you can read the Catechism
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c2a4.htm
>Priests can bless gay dudes just like they can bless anyone else. But they can't bless their union or do anything that gives the impression that the Church approves it.
Mental gymnastics like this is usually the inevitable prelude to full acceptance.
Greco-Roman religion going back to their Greco-Roman ways? Why would have thunk it.
But it has always been like this.
They are pretty clear that you can't even give the impression that you are legitimizing it.
>Greco-Roman religion going back to their Greco-Roman ways?
By definition marriage according to both the Greeks and Romans could only be between a man and a woman as it explicitly involved a contract to make children to continue the race and rebirth ancestors. So, the Vatican saying that gay weddings are okay is literally gayer than Ancient Greece.
God doesn't bless unrepentant sinners and He doesn't use blessings to bring contrition. That's what His law is for. The Law... you know, the precise thing that is NOT a blessing.
A blessing is a pledge of God's good favor toward them. When they receive a blessing while unrepentant, they are further led astray into a lack of urgency to repent. The gospel without the law hardens the heart, not softens it.
Someone put a bullet in me if I ever start spewing some papist nonsense
Thanks for the nuance, bro. I hate the press so much.
Yeah but you already know how priests like James Martin and the usual crowd of German Bishops are going to take this. And they'll get no condemnation and will basically be allowed by the Vatican to bless homosexual couples.
>The Rev. James Martin, who advocates for greater welcome for LGBTQ+ Catholics, praised the new document as a “huge step forward” and a “dramatic shift” from the Vatican’s 2021 policy.
>The new document “recognizes the deep desire in many Catholic same-sex couples for God’s presence and help in their committed relationships,” he said in an email. “Along with many Catholic priests, I will now be delighted to bless my friends in same-sex marriages.”
I do love watching the church of satan collapse in on itself.
Funny how so much Bergoglio does can be misrepresented
I wonder how a pope can be so unlucky
'ate journos
The best part about this news is that the rad trads and ultra progressives are going to willfully misinterpret it in the exact same way so that they can have exactly opposite emotional reactions to it.
Wow.. frick journalists.
trads cant read, they listen to audio books of taylor marshalll on repeat
The Seat is Empty
Yahweh Sabaoth, the Holy One of Israel, will return to Mount Zion, his home.
From there he will rule the world with an iron fist.
The nations will shape up or they will face the wrath of his chosen King, the longed branch of his special vineyard, the holy seed of David, his favorite.
Make way you counterfeit people or you will be crushed by the might of his stomping feet.
The false religion will end, it will be put to shame and the name of the Highest Elohim will be exalted above all heights.
There will be no doubt that Yahweh is God when he sets all idols ablaze with the fury of his righteous anger.
there is always another choice
Orthodox Church and the SSPX is about to get an influx or their will be a whole new breakaway group, a MASSIVE one. Basically every non-white Catholic will leave the official church.
No they wont
We’ll see.
You’re kind wa popesplaining that this Wop/Hispanic wouldn’t do a lot of shit that he ended up doing.
You’ve been wrong all along.
Deus vult, chuds.
Rome has spoken, the matter is finished.
The document clearly states a blessing may be bestowed upon those in irregular relationships "who—recognizing themselves to be destitute and in need of his help—do not claim a legitimation of their own status.."
Same sex relationships are still illicit and seen as sinful.
https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2023/12/18/0901/01963.html#en
Despite the abuse that such document will usher, the content of it has nothing contrary to the faith
Hopefully this was the last of declarations on the matter, the hearts of the faithful won't survive many more of those
>Francis suggested such blessings could be offered under some circumstances if they didn’t confuse the ritual with the sacrament of marriage.
>the press: LIKE HOLY ZOINKS SCOOB, THEY'RE LITERALLY BLESSING THE GAY MARRIAGERINOS, IT'S ALL OVER FOR RADDIE TRADDIES! UHOOOOOOOOOOI!
It should be legal to spit on journalists as they pass you by on the street.
In a just world they would be shunned from polite society like prostitutes and drug addicts.
Homophobes should just really really kill themselves. We homos won't stop winning every single battle we fight. The sky is the limit.
Globohomosexual wants you all dead as much as they want everyone else.
Homos didn't need a new rule, they were already covered, for the Lord came to save all of us sinners. So homos had the doors of sainthood already open as any other person.
But whoever tells you that indulging in sinful or lustful behavior leads to salvation is of Satan.
THIS IS TRUE FOR EVERYONE ELSE.
Bergoglio is a globalist implant. He is a fake pope. Anything he says has zero value.
How will TradCaths cope?
By leaving Francis’ Church of homosexualry in massive numbers.
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