Based on my interactions with Catholics, everything seems to come down to SUBMIT TO LE POPE!
Feels like Protestantism but instead of sola scriptura it's sola bishop
Based on my interactions with Catholics, everything seems to come down to SUBMIT TO LE POPE!
Well yeah They criticize protestants for circular reasoning but they really do the same thing.
>How do you know that bible is true and how to interpret it?
Catholic: The infallible bishop of Rome (and church councils)
>How do you know they are correct?
Catholic: Because the bishop and councils said so
So really they are just pushing the circular reasoning problem one step back. I'd say that the Orthodox do it to though.
How does the protestant display circular reasoning?
I know they don't all do it but this is how an every-day protestant typically responds:
1. The Bible is the sole authority for Christian beliefs and practices (sola scriptura).
2. The authority of the Bible comes from God.
We know that the Bible is the Word of God because it claims to be so.
3. Therefore, the authority of the Bible is based on its own claims.
1 is inaccurate, sole infallible. I've never encountered this argument among Protestants but I'm not sure what #3 adds.
Pic related is what
was talking about
Do you think a protestant made this meme making fun of themselves?
Odd that it’s using the Ignatius Study Bible as that’s Catholic.
Also by bible, the Protestant means old testament. They don’t care about the New Testament except for Revelation which they believe in a heretical false interpretation of involving israelites and the state of Israel. The Protestant literally does not care about the teachings of Jesus despite claiming to love Jesus
Based on my interactions with Palamites, everything seems to come down to SUBMIT TO LE PALAMITE CHURCH!
Feels like Protestantism but instead of sola scriptura it's sola ecclesia
>Based on my interactions with Palamites, everything seems to come down to SUBMIT TO LE PALAMITE CHURCH!
Submission and following the church id literally how it's supposed to work. That's how it worked for centuries, with the catholic church talking about no salvation being outside it.
Same with most sects before the reformation and even some protestants like evanghelicals who say that you must believe in faith alone above all else in their understanding, regardless if you believe or not.
>Submission and following the church id literally how it's supposed to work.
Anon, I…….. that was the joke.
Calm your Reddit tism down for a second, I was drawing attention to the absurdity of the OP. Complaining about people follow “le Pope” obviously comes from extreme ignorance or a double standard (or both). Anyone who believe he is head of THE Church is obviously going to follow him.
I'm currently catholic. Does the Denomination matter? I do believe you are saved by faith, but I think Faith implies works
I was a protestant who choose Orthodoxy. I still have a hard time believing God will damn someone for choosing the wrong sect. I mean, not everyone can be a theology scholar
Protestants teach that works follow faith. Catholics teach that works contribute to salvation.
I disagree. See the joint-declaration on justification.
Works contribute to sanctification which in turn means that one can attain the fullness of heaven sooner than those who require further sanctification in Purgatory. But justification is by Faith.
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2010.htm
Works contribute to the "attainment of eternal life"
I always hated the use of the word merit and grace in the same sentence, however regardless of my personal feelings about wording nothing in there negates the joint declaration of faith.
>no one can merit the initial grace of forgiveness and justification
Works contribute to sanctification.
One stands justified by faith as the joint declaration of faith states.
Everyone agrees that sanctification is obtained through works because sanctification implies complicity with the Holy Spirit.
Justification is what assures our salvation and Sanctification leads to the end goal (or attainment) of eternal life (call it glorification or whatever you like). If Sanctification is a central part of eternal life, and works directly play a part in sanctification then there is nothing wrong with the statements “salvation/justification is through faith” AND “Works contribute to the attainment of eternal life”.
I object to the conflation of sanctification with "attainment of eternal life"
Okay.
>Does the Denomination matter?
To people it does to varying degrees. However I’m in the same boat at you.
The Catholic Church has the fullness of Grace but other churches have faith to varying degrees.
On your question of faith, be at peace because you are holding to the mainstream Catholic view.
https://www.lutheranworld.org/sites/default/files/Joint%20Declaration%20on%20the%20Doctrine%20of%20Justification.pdf
> We confess together that all persons depend completely on the saving grace of God for their salvation. The freedom they possess in relation to persons and the things of this world is no freedom in relation to salvation, for as sinners they stand under God’s judgment and are incapable of turning by themselves to God to seek deliverance, of meriting their justification before God, or of attaining salvation by their own abilities. Justification takes place solely by God’s grace.
I'm Catholic and I think every good Christian will be saved regardless of being Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, Armenian, Ethiopian, etc. The key is believing in Christ, the rest are details of varying degrees of importance. No one does it perfectly, every single saved person will have imperfectly tried to follow Christ and I recognize people of all denominations and Churches are trying their best.
So long as they believe in the truine God and aren't heretics like JW, Unitarians or Gnostics.
I would add in the clarification one need to believe the Gospel which would be the atoning and justifying sacrifice of Christ on the Cross (and thereby the necessity of his Divinity and consubstantiality with the Father).
So someone who believes in say the TollHouses for example may very well not be saved because it’s pretty much a Gnostic denial of the efficacy of the cross.
>I’m Okay-You’re Okay Hippie bullshit<
You’re not a Catholic. I don’t know wfhat exactly you are, but you’re not Catholic.
Recite the Profession of Faith you make every Mass.
Do it slowly and pay attention to the words coming out of your mouth,
Vatican II and the CCC says non-Catholic Christians go to Heaven
That’s a lie.
You should go to confession.
The Vatican says israelites who don't confess Christ are saved
>The Vatican says israelites who don't confess Christ are saved<
The Vatican says that you are an enormous homosexual. An enthusiastic Sodomite, riddled with foul diseases.
Is this a cope or do you not know about that
Just a response in kind to his flatulent Appeal to Authority argument.
But he probably is a diseased homosexual, covered with purple spots oozing pus and rectally incontinent.
Probably raised a Presbyterian,
Many such cases.
dirk, you are a lying fricking dog and a deceiver. May the Lord Jesus Christ rebuke you to repentance.
>getting this unhinged over a single poster
please take your meds before you post, thanks
What's my lie? Be specific
I told you to recite the Profession of the Faith.
This is one thing EVERY Catholic should know because it is recited by the Laity at EVERY Catholic Mass, Novus Ordo or Tridentine, EVERYWHERE in the World.
Your demon-infested brain won’t let your mouth or your fingers form the words, because they find them so hateful and painful to utter.
Cut n’ Paste the Profession…you can find it here:
https://www.catholic.org/prayers/prayer.php?p=1438
It will prove conclusively that you are NO Catholic.
>Vatican II and the CCC says non-Catholic Christians go to Heaven<
What is the One True Church?
The Roman Catholic Church.
If this is so, then how can Heaven be attained through False Churches with False Teachings?
You claim to have the Papal encyclical and the CCC entries, cite them please so that we all may go and read.
You are no Catholic.
How do you feel about Mormons? Mormonism is often regarded as not-Christian in spite of worshiping Christ.
>Polythiests
>Denies the Trinity
Lmao yeah sure
>"Master, we found one casting out demons in your name, and we forbade him, for he is not with us!"
>"Forbid him not, for anyone who comes in my name is blessed"
Seems pretty concrete to me.
>Does the Denomination matter?
Yes
Go away.
>JW
Not Christian
>worshiping a israeli woman: incan style
:||||||||||||
>worshiping a israeli woman: greek style
:OOOOOOOOOOO
DESU, there’s quite a bit of misplaced Pope Worship going on in the Church today, which speaks directly to the Papust stereotype of Catholics by Protestant heretics.
To confound these misguided souls, (if possible), ask them if they’ve read the prophecies of Our Lady of Quito, Our Lady of Fatima, and Our Lady of Akita about the Heresy that creeps into the Church.
Most Catholics hold the Holy Virgin Mothet in greater esteem than they do the Pope, so this should get their brains working to go and learn about the fallibility of popes, (when they are speaking ex cathedra).
>“However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church.”
>819 “Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth” are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: “the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements.” Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him, and are in themselves calls to “Catholic unity.”
meant for
https://apnews.com/article/vatican-coptic-orthodox-martyrs-beheaded-libya-45937c3da0c43868ef33ceceaf6d8906
Church was founded by Jesus Christ personally on the rock of Peter
simple as
The church was founded on pentacost in the upper room.
Pretty sure Peter wasn't the only disciple
I went to a Baptist sermon a little while back. It looked like a sterile office building. There was one plain white cross. No art. It was boring and I fell asleep. Everybody was rude to each other and anti-social. All the scripture that was quoted was old testament. Protestantism…. Not even once.
The only problem is orthobros are the single most insufferable online Christian. They beat out JW handedly
>The only problem is orthobros are the single most insufferable online Christian. >They beat out JW handedly
Bro, what? Orthobros are nowhere near that.
they're the #1 church for posting chads and basedjaks, just as the fathers intended.
That's tradcaths by a good mile, you don't see orthodoxers trying to tie literally anything that happened in the world after 1054 on catholic schismatics like you do with tradcaths blaming everything on the reformation
This sounds sinful as frick. The Pope is no prophet.