Your non belief is offensively stupid. >Something came from nothing and there’s no way a magic foreskin eating sky god made the universe
Your premise is laughable. The universe is logical- not Big Bang chaos- which implies design. Nothing comes from nothing. Our universe comes from a creator. Get your head out of your ass.
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>Nothing comes from nothing.
So, does this include deities?
Not if you believe the only way for the universe to be logical can only lead one to the inevitable conclusion that something exists eternally outside the universe.
So if material from a different dimension came into our universe, couldn't that be the start of the universe?
Then where did the material from the other universe come from? This question can continue into infinity because atheists never address how something comes from nothing.
Where did God come from then?
He has always existed. He didn’t come from anywhere as far as I know. He is eternal.
So one thing can come from nothing, but the other can't.
One thing didn’t come from anything or nothing. God is eternal. Our universe has logic coded into it, the balance of gravity is impeccably perfect such that 1/1billion change up or down would destroy everything. Same goes for basically every system in our bodies and world. Must just be chance.
> One thing didn’t come from anything or nothing. God is eternal.
Prooves?
Why only one creator? Why cannot be several?
I admit it could be several. But I do not believe that. I have much more respect for that position than that of atheists.
Guessing, we have the single creator.
What do you have from this statement for your life?
Everything. I have the eyes to see and the ears to hear truth. I have the mind to be wise. I have the resources to stand alone. All of this is from my God. Without God we are nothing.
Pompous nonsence.
Creator CAN not even care about thit world, cause it's just a draft.
That statement isn't relevant the the topic of where things came from.
We aren't discussing faith. We are discussing physics.
Your question was not well worded and I don’t even know what you meant to ask. Please ask again.
>One thing didn’t come from anything or nothing. God is eternal.
OK, so why can't the matter in the Universe be eternal and was always here?
How does something with no creator, no intelligence, and no beginning find itself so perfectly balanced?
> so perfectly balanced?
Water in cup balances perfectly itself, no? Even without gods?
Water balances from gravity which I’ve already told you is in perfect harmony with the universe within 1/1billionth perfection. Any deviation outside of that is completely destruction of all thing in the universe.
> Water balances from gravity which I’ve already told you is in perfect harmony with the universe within 1/1billionth perfection. Any deviation outside of that is completely destruction of all thing in the universe.
Soo, possibly, after numerous variants of unstable universes we rolled out this, and live in it. Look, we need no god there.
Surprisingly you’ve stumbled upon the multiple universe theory which is defensible but flimsy.
Multi universe means they all exist. He's talking about a universe that dies because it was unbalanced.
If you go read about the multiverse theory is basically says exactly that. An almost infinite number of universes were created and we we just happen to live in the lucky one that didn’t get destroyed because it was perfect. I don’t like those odds
Multiverse is multiple universes existing at the same time, hence multi.
If one is made and dies and another is made, there is till only one, not multi.
It’s not my theory, go read about it.
Not exacly multiple at the same time.
Water moleculas don't care about flat surface, they even move theirselve. But result is their the most stable position (flat).
It did it the same way God became perfectly balanced.
That implies intelligence. Hence a creator.
Can't have the creator without the intelligence to create order that makes the creator possible
You say that because you can’t imagine or believe in something eternal. God was not created. In our world all things have a beginning and an end. Hence your mind asks for a beginning when God has none
I believe in God, stop assuming. My belief is based solely on faith. I am not afraid to challenge my beliefs because that's how they get stronger.
But you came here asking physics questions about matter.
I’m not the physics anon
>I’m not the physics anon
Then pay attention to those trying to teach you. And then go verify so you're not taken for a fool.
Quantum physics can answer a lot of your questions, and none of the answers preclude God.
moron, I’m not the anon asking you about physics. You’re out in left field. Get a grip
EVERY FRICKING THING YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT CAN BE EXPLAINED BY QUANTUM PHYSICS.
And, God is not excluded from any of it.
You are so dense you might be hopelessly stupid.
Look at you losing control of yourself. So smart indeed.
I was hoping the caps would get your attention because you just keep ignoring the answers given to you and asking the same question again.
You sound like my 4 y/o covering up a lie.
And you sound like someone fighting for their right to remain stupid.
Go back and read how many times you asked the same question over and over.
You must be delusional buddy. I’ve been chatting with you and answering your questions. Your attention to detail is low
No it cannot be explained if you actually know enough about QP you’d know they don’t even know which way atoms will spin when they’re not being observed.
>they don’t even know which way atoms will spin when they’re not being observed.
Exactly. But they do know that the dual wave/particle nature of reality can cause particle to come into existence from nowhere.
It's not my theory, go read it.
Is it coming from nowhere if 95% of the universe cannot be measured or observed? “Dark matter”
Well, since dark matter can't be observed, then observable matter isn't dark matter.
If dark matter can suddenly make an entangled particle, there should be some form of trace of how it did it, and it would be reproduceable.
Why do scientists automatically assume it came from nothing just because they can’t observe it yet? Seems like quite a leap
How would you explain atheists and numerous religions, if there is a single god, who wants to be homaged?
So what about a creator in another dimension that makes matter and throws it into this universe?
Sure, but the creator must be eternal.
>So one thing can come from nothing, but the other can't.
In theory, none of us are "real" and God could have always existed and either did or could have created us, because everything is based on the probability on coming to being.
An almighty entity controlling everything eventually existing is an eventuality when time doesn't even exist yet.
Time doesn't exist if matter doesn't exist. I'm asking OP why thinking matter always existing is any different than thinking God always existed.
Well put.
The universe has always existed. It didn’t come from anywhere as far as I know. It is eternal.
I have more respect for Elons belief than for most others. Still, I would not be surprised to see him come to the conclusion that the chances of an eternal machine are less likely than a creator.
>Elons
lmao
>the chances of an eternal machine are less likely than a creator.
The simpler answer is the more likely, so no, I'd say it's precisely the opposite. The "creation" we can observe is eternal. It didn't have a beginning. No need to infer a creator at all, it's just begging the question
So how does intelligence exist without something to provide the intelligence? Our universe has intelligence programmed into it
Really good question if by intelligence you mean consciousness. Metaphysical idealism is an interesting theory. If you're talking about intelligent design I think that's likely just psychological projection
I used to think like you. Do you really think that’s true?
I think it's more likely than creator/creation, yes. It's simply a less complex theory.
Less complex? Oh, no you may want to flesh that out. It less complex to explain away God, but it’s far more complex to use it as the backbone of creation. How does that even work?
>creation
Fair enough.
Because people who think there must be a beginning will fall for the idea of a linear path to the universe that puts us humans at the apex of our planet.
Who took advantage of who in evolutionary terms on this planet? Dogs, or humans? Wheat and grass or humans? cats or humans? Mice snd rats or humans?
I only think of our earth (as we know it) as “linear”. There is no telling how long the universe has existed or how it came to start. The Bible also does not address anything before the earths creation.
Haven't you idea that Bibile is just a bunch of ancient semitic myths?
I would hold the Bible up against any other ancient document and we can see who’s accounts of history and truth fall first.
Why so sure it it, seriously?
You had some reluigious experience?
No, objectively it is the most accurate collection of history compared to any other text like it. By more than 100x in many cases
Our planet had a beginning, and there was something before it.
I'll tell you this, either you believe the universe is eternal or you believe in a eternal God.
Pick one, and live and let live.
Atheists just worship Satan without realizing it.
How pathetic.
I'm atheistic and frankly i'm fairly sure you are as well, just militantly and stupidly so.
Religious types are often stupid, but rarely this stupid.
>atheistic
Yes and I’m religioustic. Please.
Is anyone here smarter than Tesla or Newton? How about Einstein? All of these men believed in a creator.
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No.
I'm only ever reminded I'm an atheist when other people bring up the subject...
I was answering your questions and responding to you and you’ve provided the proof. Lmao
Atheists be like "Uh caca doo doo?" and then pee pee everywhere "THIS IS SCIENCE" and then cummy wummies owo bulgy wulgy mummy milkies daddy cummies uwu
If your israeli g*d can exist forever with zero explanation needed then frick you so can the universe. Claims without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I am not opposed to the idea of some sort of higher thing whatever that may be but there is no way it is the deity of any clearly man made organised religion.
itt morons inside reality claiming something can be outside of reality. the universe is all-encompassing. the idea that god made man in his image is unbelievably hubristic. absolutely nothing points to this. if there is a god there is 0 chance he resembles us or our thought patterns at all.
When man makes a game or program, he makes the game or program operate based on principles he knows and understands. The game is in a reality where we don’t exist yet the game exists. Why do you find it so hard to believe this can occur with God and us?