I want to learn about Islamic history, his different sects relate to each other, that kind of stuff. Any recommendations?
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Any book recs for Islamic history?
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The Venture of Islam by Marshall Hodgson is the standard text
Just read the Koran.
This book is one of the best: A History of the Muslim World to 1405: The Making of a Civilization
https://www.amazon.com/History-Muslim-World-1405-Civilization/dp/0130983896
It has a sequel too but I haven't read that one.
Two sequels apparently. The three might have some overlap.
The first one is from 2003, the second from 2007 and the third from 2017.
> https://www.amazon.com/History-Muslim-World-since-1260/dp/0132269694
> https://www.amazon.com/History-Muslim-World-1750-Civilization/dp/1138215937
However, most history books in general tend to focus on littoral mainland Asia and North Africa. The Inner Eurasian regions tend to be the most overlooked.
What is inner Eurasia? Central Asia like the Stan countries? Also, do you know of any books that cover south East Asian islam? An Indonesian I know told me that there exists varying degrees of syncretism between Islam and native spirituality/religion, and I find that super interesting.
>What is inner Eurasia? Central Asia like the Stan countries?
Central Asia is part of it but also Ukraine, Western Russia and Southwest Siberia where Muslim polities were prominent. Muslims were also prominent across the Eastern Balkans, Southern Vietnam and Northern Philippines.
>An Indonesian I know told me that there exists varying degrees of syncretism between Islam and native spirituality/religion, and I find that super interesting.
Syncretism has existed in most parts of the Muslim World in some form or another, for some amount of time or another. I would say the 20th century marked the gradual decline of syncretism in most parts of the wider Muslim World, but it still exists.
The most prevalent Islamic syncretism would have to be in Cambodia, followed by Cote d'Ivoire and Sierra Leone, followed by maybe parts of Central Africa. There's also the Alevi, Bektashi, Alawi and Alian populations spread out between the Balkans, Anatolia and the Levant.
>Alevi, Bektashi, Alawi and Alian populations
literally the same flavor of shit
>I know told me that there exists varying degrees of syncretism between Islam and native spirituality/religion
in Vietnam there are the cham bani
>in Vietnam there are the cham bani
Most of the Cham Muslims in Vietnam are Sunni, I believe. However, the Cham Muslim diaspora in Cambodia are split between Sunni and a highly syncretic sect.
Central and Southern Vietnam used to be the Kingdom of Champa; The Cham are an Austronesian people. Viets are from Northern Vietnam.
autism. you could have just searched cham bani the name of the group.
>Central and Southern Vietnam used to be the Kingdom of Champa; The Cham are an Austronesian people. Viets are from Northern Vietnam.
autism
>autism. you could have just searched cham bani the name of the group.
Cham Bani just means Cham Tribe. You turbo autist.
>autism
Again, wtf are you talking about, schizo.
moron
https://open.library.ubc.ca/cIRcle/collections/ubccommunityandpartnerspublicati/52387/items/1.0373592
I know exactly who they are. They're a syncretic sect who iirc are much more prominent as a percentage of the Cham Muslims in Cambodia than in Vietnam.
I think the Shia descriptor is incorrect. Like practically all Islamic syncretisms they probably elevate Ali and Hussein which led to some observer to label them Shia, which then gets reposted all over the internet and across mainstream media since.
>in Vietnam.
>I think the Shia descriptor is incorrect. Like practically all Islamic syncretisms they probably elevate Ali and Hussein
I'm curious to know what their opinions of Abu Bakr, Omar and Osman are. If they reject them, then they're a Shia sect. If not, then they're not Shia.
uskut ya yahudi
Hello there.
At least one of those authors is a israelite-bootlicker.
>ad hominem
The way books are titled these days is so gay.
The whole point is to sell copies because they will never be taken seriously academically.
notice how none of these have academic relevance, they're based on schachts and goldzihers theories, which harald motzki describes as needy of critical revision
is there any proof mecca was an important religious and commercial center before muhammad, or even during muhammad's life?
There's a passage in Psalms, "Blessed are those who dwell in your house, they are ever praising you. Blessed are those whose strength is in you, whose hearts are set on pilgrimage, as they pass the valley of Baka"
The Qur'an says, "Surely the first House established for man was by Bakka, blessed and a guidance for the Worlds" But, Bakka could mean tears. Luxenbourg has this insane theory that Bakka means a fence or something, which is funny
Yet another abdool who has zero idea what he's talking about.
Valley of Bacca with an altar and a spring where pilgrimage and sacrifice is done, hmmm what Bakka could that be
Near Jerusalem.
yea and a day there is 1000x better than anywhere else alr
it doesnt matter
Schacht was completely btfo by Al-Azami, especially about Hadith. Any muslim or non-muslim interested in Islamic history should read Studies in Early Hadith Literature by Al-Azami, which gives a rundown of the beginnings of Islamic literature, both oral and written, since the time of the Companions. His research is invaluable
Yea definetely, after that theres been barely anything serious in western academia contrary to what we find in traditional academia, azamis simple argument that it is impossible that everyone across the muslim countries made up such authentic isnads is enough, especially with the literature, fuat sezgins geschichte was valuable for everybody as well
Sahih Bukhari is useful to add context to the day to day. Fair warning though it was a game of telephone before it was written down.
standard for biography
standard for rashidun caliphate
just history, the most classical
nice...
understanding is important, because with other religious nations he doesnt intend single prophets nations but nations like the persians and so on, i believe the translation is distorting it a little with words like "persuasion"
standard study about the history of quran by dr azami
reception:
In this field Dr Azmi has done pioneer work of the highest value, and he has done it according to the exact standards of scholarship. The thesis which he presented, and for which Cambridge conferred on him the degree of Ph.D., is in my opinion one of the most exciting arid original investigations in this field of modern times. Arthur John Arberry
William Montgomery Watt has called ʿĀzamî "one of the most important Islamic scholars of our time." Watt credited ʿĀzamî with "restoring the study of Islamic theology to its proper place at the center of Islamic studies."
John L. Esposito has called ʿĀzamî "a leading figure in the development of Islamic Studies as a modern academic discipline." Esposito credited ʿĀzamî with "playing a key role in bringing Islamic thought and scholarship into conversation with Western intellectual traditions.
for hadith
Patricia Crone's Medieval Islamic Political Thought has a very good and succinct rundown of the several different early Islamic sects.
Part of Al-Tabari's history is on libgen, which covers from the time of Adam to the Abbasids I believe
yea but it is edited by an antiislamic israelite
No Western cucks can teach you about Islam, the Arabs laugh at their ignorance of the Arabic language and culture. Jay Smith is a prime example, he's been studying Islam for 20 years and can barely pronounce Arabic words it's funny how that moron Amerimutt Evangelical tries to sound Arab. For 1300 years these IndoEuro Christcucks never learned Arabic.
You don't need to know Arabic to understand what Islam is.
of course you dont need to know arabic, but you need to study arabic if you want to be a serious historian about arabic literature
You cannot take western academics serious, they are so extremely stubborn, arabic has 2 million common words, the academics are so stubborn that they do not spend any time learning any arabic grammar and the gharib vocab, thats why they make so many errors like joseph schacht in his origins, i think now theyve just given up
over 90% of muslims do not speak arabic
mad cope
roughly 75% dont speak arabic
How does that work? My admittedly little understanding of Islam is that the Quran isn't really the actual Quran unless it's in Arabic. So in order to be read the Quran you would have to possess at least a decent amount of (classical?) Arabic to make any sense of it.
Most non-arabs recite the quran in Arabic and read the translation. Learning Arabic is obligatory, as religious knowledge is obligatory, but learning a language is hard
I remember reading this brutal speech in college. Can't remember it in whole but paraphrasing
>O people of Iraq
>I see the necks ripe under beards ready for harvesting
>You have sinned yadda yadda yadda
>Allah has inspected his arrows and found me his cruelest, now he aims me at you
>By Allah, I will beat you like marwa stones! I will split you like trees!
And so on.
Any idea who has this speech? And the actual text?
stop being a homosexual
Just read a bunch of first hand accounts from travellers to the various Muslim lands across the years, or those who were engaged in wars in those lands and so on. After that, read In Khaldun. You can honestly use ChatGPT to recommend to you the booklist.