Not really, convincing cope has positive utility for worried people. But for absolute truth autists the fear of death bias in all religions is very apparent.
Here’s a good start. An experiment was done where the fear center of the brain was deactivated with magnets, and this caused belief in god to reduce in the context of talking about death
Yes, because it prevents people from trying to improve this life and this world. It also weakens the process of natural selection, since religious people can cope with their flaws and weak natures by just believing in God and that everything will be ok. Without religion their degenerate and nihilistic natures would come out in full force, and they would die out much faster. So religion actually preserves sin across long periods of time. That’s why when a society becomes atheist, it suddenly becomes really degenerate, because it was being repressed and multiplied for so long.
Christianity promises it to select few, so few in fact that even monks who are pronounced as literal saints spend the absolute most of their lives not certain of their salvation. "I will likely suffer forever" is not a death cope.
About Islam I cannot comment on the exact details but since it's just downgraded Christianity, it presumably works similarly - not nearly all Muslims are promised paradise.
No believer of those faiths believe they are likely to get the hell alternative. You’re projecting your interpretation onto others
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It's not mine. Again, we have saints on record doubting their salvation until their final years. And we have priests preaching this to everyone in the church every Sunday.
How is telling people they will face a judgement and eternal damnation after death going to make people less afraid of death vs telling them it will be no different than going to sleep?
Literal trash reddit teenager reasoning please go back
Because that judgement will pass and give them eternal immortal paradise? Are you playing dumb >waaaaah I’m going to be judged now I have le anxiety >eternal void? Bro that’s just comfy (even tho I fear death like every single human does)
i will have the same "conscious" experience i had on the 26th of January 4000 BC, and 2nd April 1112, and 14 million years ago and 1 billion years ago. None at all.
If you disagree, try to define what makes you “you.” You’ll realize that identity is just an illusion that comes with patterns of experience, like always seeing “this” body and having the same memories. But your cells are always changing, there is no constant self.
This means that all conscious experiences are equally real and belong to no one. So every conscious experience is “you.” There is no such thing as death. You are everyone that has ever existed and that will ever exist.
>undefinable >therefore illusion
Non sequitur. An eye cannot see itself directly and a mind cannot understand itself directly, but both are real objectively.
>cells are always changing
In some ways they are, in some ways they aren't.
>belong to no one
Again, non-sequitur.
It's extremely convenient to believe what you just wrote and in fact it is congruent with some of the eastern meditation practices, experiences and conclusions. But it's an answering of a question by virtue of avoiding the question.
Define the self then. If I erase your memories and change a few of your genes, are you still the same person? What if I change your appearance too? What if I change everything about you until you are basically a completely different person? At which point do you stop being “you” ?
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Anonymous
I completely concede the self cannot be defined or quantified. Doesn't mean it's not there. That's just not what the implication of my inability is.
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so in my worldview there is no conundrum. There is no self, just conscious experiences produced by brains. There’s no reason to say one experience is “his” or “mine” or “yours.” But from *within* each experience, you only have access to the memories and feelings of that body-mind, so of course you feel separated from other conscious experiences, and as intelligence increases, you notice patterns, and start developing an identity, which is certainly useful and gives an evolutionary advantage. But there is no self and all conscious experiences are equally “real” and “yours.”
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Yes, if you deny every question you cannot answer there naturally will be no conundrums, but that's not how we arrive to truth. You could be a solipsist at that point.
there are modern advocates of annihilationism and mortalism
Don't forget the commercial side of it
Is that necessarily a bad thing though?
Not really, convincing cope has positive utility for worried people. But for absolute truth autists the fear of death bias in all religions is very apparent.
Can you prove any of that though?
Here’s a good start. An experiment was done where the fear center of the brain was deactivated with magnets, and this caused belief in god to reduce in the context of talking about death
Yes, because it prevents people from trying to improve this life and this world. It also weakens the process of natural selection, since religious people can cope with their flaws and weak natures by just believing in God and that everything will be ok. Without religion their degenerate and nihilistic natures would come out in full force, and they would die out much faster. So religion actually preserves sin across long periods of time. That’s why when a society becomes atheist, it suddenly becomes really degenerate, because it was being repressed and multiplied for so long.
In my case it's a cope for an animal looking forward to its own death.
>if you work really really really hard you can finally completely die
OP, explain.
>Cycle of reincarnation
Means you get to live forever, death cope for the plebs.
>Escaping reincarnation
Dying = le good, also death cope.
>dying is bad is cope
>dying is good is cope
You see the problem yourself?
You get to choose. Do you actually like life? Just don’t reach enlightenment and enjoy bro.
Many religions don't alleviate fear of death at all. Least of all the Abrahamic ones... this theory fails.
Islam and christianity promise eternal paradise instead of death, moron. How is that not death cope?
Christianity promises it to select few, so few in fact that even monks who are pronounced as literal saints spend the absolute most of their lives not certain of their salvation. "I will likely suffer forever" is not a death cope.
About Islam I cannot comment on the exact details but since it's just downgraded Christianity, it presumably works similarly - not nearly all Muslims are promised paradise.
No believer of those faiths believe they are likely to get the hell alternative. You’re projecting your interpretation onto others
It's not mine. Again, we have saints on record doubting their salvation until their final years. And we have priests preaching this to everyone in the church every Sunday.
How is telling people they will face a judgement and eternal damnation after death going to make people less afraid of death vs telling them it will be no different than going to sleep?
Literal trash reddit teenager reasoning please go back
Because that judgement will pass and give them eternal immortal paradise? Are you playing dumb
>waaaaah I’m going to be judged now I have le anxiety
>eternal void? Bro that’s just comfy (even tho I fear death like every single human does)
Facts.
What do you guys think that happens after death?
They believe they will experience nothing, which they don’t realize is a completely paradoxical statement.
i will have the same "conscious" experience i had on the 26th of January 4000 BC, and 2nd April 1112, and 14 million years ago and 1 billion years ago. None at all.
there is no such thing as a persisting “self”
If you disagree, try to define what makes you “you.” You’ll realize that identity is just an illusion that comes with patterns of experience, like always seeing “this” body and having the same memories. But your cells are always changing, there is no constant self.
This means that all conscious experiences are equally real and belong to no one. So every conscious experience is “you.” There is no such thing as death. You are everyone that has ever existed and that will ever exist.
>undefinable
>therefore illusion
Non sequitur. An eye cannot see itself directly and a mind cannot understand itself directly, but both are real objectively.
>cells are always changing
In some ways they are, in some ways they aren't.
>belong to no one
Again, non-sequitur.
It's extremely convenient to believe what you just wrote and in fact it is congruent with some of the eastern meditation practices, experiences and conclusions. But it's an answering of a question by virtue of avoiding the question.
Define the self then. If I erase your memories and change a few of your genes, are you still the same person? What if I change your appearance too? What if I change everything about you until you are basically a completely different person? At which point do you stop being “you” ?
I completely concede the self cannot be defined or quantified. Doesn't mean it's not there. That's just not what the implication of my inability is.
so in my worldview there is no conundrum. There is no self, just conscious experiences produced by brains. There’s no reason to say one experience is “his” or “mine” or “yours.” But from *within* each experience, you only have access to the memories and feelings of that body-mind, so of course you feel separated from other conscious experiences, and as intelligence increases, you notice patterns, and start developing an identity, which is certainly useful and gives an evolutionary advantage. But there is no self and all conscious experiences are equally “real” and “yours.”
Yes, if you deny every question you cannot answer there naturally will be no conundrums, but that's not how we arrive to truth. You could be a solipsist at that point.
everything else that hasn't died continues to live. Any supernatural spin is to comfort the sheep.
Outside the religions that don't have an afterlife or just believe in reincarnation.