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  1. 4 months ago
    JWanon

    The Father and the Son are two separate gods, not the same god.

    As for the holy spirit, it is neither God nor a god. It is God's force or energy.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >in the church at Antioch there were prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen (who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch) and Saul. 2 While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” 3 So after they had fasted and prayed, they placed their hands on them and sent them off.
      >Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
      > It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
      >But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
      >While Peter was still thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Simon, three[a] men are looking for you. 20 So get up and go downstairs. Do not hesitate to go with them, for I have sent them.”

      • 4 months ago
        JWanon

        When the apostle John quoted Jesus, he personified the holy spirit as a “helper” (paraclete) that would give evidence, guide, speak, hear, declare, glorify, and receive. He used masculine personal pronouns such as “he” or “him” when referring to that “helper.” (John 16:7-15)

        However, he did so because the Greek word for “helper” (pa·raʹkle·tos) is a masculine noun and requires a masculine pronoun according to the rules of Greek grammar. When John referred to the holy spirit using the neuter noun pneuʹma, he used the genderless pronoun “it.”—John 14:16, 17.

        Based.

        The Father and Son are one.
        Holy Spirit is personal in Acts.

        [...]
        based

        >The Father and Son are one.

        In what sense are they "one" ? In the sense "one God" ? That's not what he said

        We do have a clue of what he meant though. Later, Jesus PRAYED that his disciples could “ALL BE ONE,” just as he and his Father ARE ONE.—John 17:20-23

        In what sense were his disicples were to be ONE ? In the sense of unity, cohesion. They had to work together as a team, just as Jesus and God are working in unison.

        >Holy Spirit is personal in Acts.

        The Scriptures do at times personify the holy spirit, but this does not prove that the holy spirit is a person. The Bible also personifies wisdom, death, and sin. (Proverbs 1:20; Romans 5:17, 21) For example, wisdom is said to have “works” and “children,” and sin is depicted as seducing, killing, and working out covetousness.—Matthew 11:19; Luke 7:35; Romans 7:8, 11.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >In what sense are they "one" ? In the sense "one God" ?
          Yes.

          >ALL BE ONE
          False analogy. Disciples are never mentioned to be one in another like Father in Christ.

          >The Bible also personifies wisdom, death, and sin.
          All of these are personal. Wisdom was Christ. Death is the devil.

          • 4 months ago
            JWanon

            Here the same Greek word (hen) for "one" throughout John 17 indicates that Jesus did not expect for his followers to literally become a single Being, or "one in substance", with each other or with God. Therefore, Jesus also did not expect his hearers to think that he and God the Father were one entity either.

            The Encyclopædia Britannica states: “The definition that the Holy Spirit was a distinct divine Person . . . came at the Council of Constantinople in ad 381.” This was over 250 years after the last of the apostles had died.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Non sequitur. Christ did expect that, because he repeatedly stressed Father is in Him.

            >definition... came [381]
            The definition might have. The understanding is in the Acts.

          • 4 months ago
            JWanon

            >because he repeatedly stressed Father is in Him.

            Can you please quote the following verses:

            Galatians 2:20
            Romans 8:10
            And Colossians 1:27 ?

            >The understanding is in the Acts.

            https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/personification

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, I can.

            >personification
            You can't personify a person.

          • 4 months ago
            JWanon

            >Yes, I can.

            Please do it right now in front of everyone

            >You can't personify a person.

            The holy spirit is not a person, it is God's force or energy.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            No.

            >The holy spirit is not a person
            The Acts disagree.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >When the apostle John quoted Jesus, he personified the holy spirit as a “helper” (paraclete) that would give evidence, guide, speak, hear, declare, glorify, and receive. He used masculine personal pronouns such as “he” or “him” when referring to that “helper.” (John 16:7-15)
          >However, he did so because the Greek word for “helper” (pa·raʹkle·tos) is a masculine noun and requires a masculine pronoun according to the rules of Greek grammar. When John referred to the holy spirit using the neuter noun pneuʹma, he used the genderless pronoun “it.”—John 14:16, 17.
          Then why apply a personal title? Helper is used for a person, so St John used it in the sense that was most normal. The word allos is the word used for "another" in John 14, which means someone/something of a similar kind. This means the one who would come come would be of a similar type.
          >The Scriptures do at times personify the holy spirit, but this does not prove that the holy spirit is a person. The Bible also personifies wisdom, death, and sin. (Proverbs 1:20; Romans 5:17, 21) For example, wisdom is said to have “works” and “children,” and sin is depicted as seducing, killing, and working out covetousness.—Matthew 11:19; Luke 7:35; Romans 7:8, 11.
          This doesn't work because psalms are songs of praise, so them using poetic language makes sense.
          Further, the gospels are historical and visibly theological, with Jesus saying the triadic formula togheter with himself, the Father and the Holy Spirit so it stand to reason he is describing three persons, the Spirit has feelings and decisions (St Paul says not to grieve him, the Spirit chose what to do regarding circumcision regarding his thoughts, instructed St Peter, St Philip etc).

          Here the same Greek word (hen) for "one" throughout John 17 indicates that Jesus did not expect for his followers to literally become a single Being, or "one in substance", with each other or with God. Therefore, Jesus also did not expect his hearers to think that he and God the Father were one entity either.

          The Encyclopædia Britannica states: “The definition that the Holy Spirit was a distinct divine Person . . . came at the Council of Constantinople in ad 381.” This was over 250 years after the last of the apostles had died.

          St Athenagoras, a greek christian who lived in the 2nd century, talked about the Holy Spirit as a person and of the Holy Trinity.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You don't get ittttt it's personification, which means you can dismiss the 50 personal descriptions and just assume it's a thingy. obviously

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Here the same Greek word (hen) for "one" throughout John 17 indicates that Jesus did not expect for his followers to literally become a single Being, or "one in substance", with each other or with God. Therefore, Jesus also did not expect his hearers to think that he and God the Father were one entity either.

          The Encyclopædia Britannica states: “The definition that the Holy Spirit was a distinct divine Person . . . came at the Council of Constantinople in ad 381.” This was over 250 years after the last of the apostles had died.

          >jw trying to school anyone on koine greek
          I know you're a bot, but still it's kind of funny. If you're not a bot then you should explain why yall wave your arms around at church as shown in this video: https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/meetings/video-kingdom-hall/

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Based.

      The Father and Son are one.
      Holy Spirit is personal in Acts.

      >in the church at Antioch there were prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen (who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch) and Saul. 2 While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” 3 So after they had fasted and prayed, they placed their hands on them and sent them off.
      >Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
      > It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
      >But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
      >While Peter was still thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Simon, three[a] men are looking for you. 20 So get up and go downstairs. Do not hesitate to go with them, for I have sent them.”

      based

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sometimes a god can be a pedophile, his failson, and their fursona.

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Thus is where you see how IE religion precede Christianism. The holy trinity is essentially an expression of the multiple faced god such as Janus or Triglav

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why isn't the trinity a pyrmaid instead

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Biblical source for this?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Matthew 28:19 + the fact that Apostles conflate the Father, Jesus and the Spirit in who did the resurrection.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Matthew 28:19
        Makes no claim of any one of the three being God and doesn't explain anything about the exact relation of the three.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Father is consistently referred to as God. And the three beings share one name, one identity. The three are God. It explains pretty much everything.

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >hypostasis (countable and uncountable, plural hypostases or hypostaseis)
    >(medicine, now historical) A sedimentary deposit, especially in urine.

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >3=1

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    “Hypostasis” is a magic word, the meaning of which in this context is “part, but abracadabra what is partitioned is also one and unitary alakazam”

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