You Meet The Pope

Hypothetically, let us suppose that you are given a chance to have an extended time for discussions with Pope Francis, on basically anything pertaining to Christianity and the Roman Catholic Church's history. What would your conversation involve? Do you think he knows all that much about the Early Church Fathers? I would try to discuss them with him, to see how much he actually is attuned to those writings.

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Am I too old to get fingered?

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous
  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I would talk to him about the Council of Trent and ask him to repudiate it's repudiation of justification by faith alone.

    t. Orthodox Presbyterian

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Did he talk about being called a commie/progressive?
    I would ask him about that

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I would ask why he thought it would be a good use of his limited time and energy to sit down to brunch with 40 trannies literally while Gaza was burning and the world is closer to WW3 than ever.

    And why he sat around with his thumb up his ass, doing and saying nothing at all, while millions of Christians in Tigray were systematically starved to death, raped, shot by their own government for daring to hold elections during the coronavirus scam. The same government who set up a total communications blackout to facilitate their warcrimes, who spent the war desecrating every ancient church (some of the oldest churches in the world) they could and burning or destroying all their ancient books and artifacts too. An incalculable loss to history and culture, for all people but especially the church. And he just doesn't seem to give a single frick.

    His silence is compliance. I would love to hear his excuse, to see his face turn upside down as he realizes he's finally being held to the real responsibility of his position. He's a lemming, happy to wash economic migrant feet for the cameras but not willing to step up when it really counts.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oh yeah, and I'd also tell him that he's literally going to cause another schism; that lashing out at conservative bishops and banning new priests from learning the Latin Mass is just embarassing and projects nothing but weakness.

      Then I will finally add; I actually miss Pope Benedict Emeritus and he was better than you in basically every way I can think of. I wish he never retired, but since he with humility and gracefulness really did retire you should follow his example.

      I genuinely wonder how the Pope would handle interacting with you. Let's assume that there's no way out of it for him, and he can't get his Swiss Guards to evict you from the room.

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    There would probably be a language barrier since he's bad at English.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Let's suppose he supernaturally has the gift of tongues, and understands you.

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Oh yeah, and I'd also tell him that he's literally going to cause another schism; that lashing out at conservative bishops and banning new priests from learning the Latin Mass is just embarassing and projects nothing but weakness.

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Then I will finally add; I actually miss Pope Benedict Emeritus and he was better than you in basically every way I can think of. I wish he never retired, but since he with humility and gracefulness really did retire you should follow his example.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Francis getting elected means that Cardinals are different now. I don't think the next pope will be conservative

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Doesn't really matter for me what the next Pope's personal politics are. He should keep them separate from the affairs of his office, full stop. There is too much at stake for that kind of game.

        The fact that contemporary politics are affecting the orthodoxy of many bishops should raise major red flags already. That's the area that needs focus and swift correction.

        Worldly institutions with their petty struggles and ambitions are a real threat to the Church, to be subordinated, not allied with.

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        I genuinely wonder how the Pope would handle interacting with you. Let's assume that there's no way out of it for him, and he can't get his Swiss Guards to evict you from the room.

        Honestly, in person I would probably be a little more tactful about his predecessor but no less stern. He's an old man, the times when his mind could take everything I could give him are probably through.

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Infallibility Mr. Pope. Where is that in the Bible? And I mean of the Church institutions, not of the church as in the body of believers. Tell me how the Church can be infallible if you're changing doctrines. Prod churches change teachings but they never claim their churches can't be wrong, you do.

  10. 5 months ago
    Dirk

    I wouldn't try to debate anything. I would just use the spotlight for some issue. Maybe some good faith invitation for him to recommend a reformed practice like metrical psalms.

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I would ask him many uncomfortable questions about why the current church contradicts with the church of the past on multiple counts.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      That’s an easy question for him to answer. It’s not like they don’t know this. They accept it and even celebrate giving up the historical argument. He’ll just bring up Fr Henry Newman and his development of doctrine hypothesis. There’s even news that they’ll declare that moron a doctor of the church.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        what is "living tradition"

        basically it means we don't have to autistically do literally everything literally the exact same way it was done 1000 years ago

        that's why we can have mass facing basically whichever direction is convienent now, for example
        deal with it

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          When and why did facing the east go out of exclusive practice?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I do believe Ad Orientem was lifted after V2.
            Obviously individual churches can still do that if they are so inclined.

            As for why, I am totally not an autist. Thanks.

            Vesus populum is one area where I'm inclined to disagree though. I don't think it matters so much which specific direction the congregation faces, but everyone should be facing the same way.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          No it doesn’t. It is the biggest cope in church history. Take for example the doctrine of justification. Papists today can claim with texts about justification by faith, that they will grant that there is justification by faith alone. However just initial justification and there is a final justification by works and a process. What that does, it allows the papist to grab onto any biblical or patristic text is going to be used to bolster the Lutheran position and say it fits in their position too. Therefore, it’s not an argument for the Lutheran position. They’ll grab onto a quote from Ambrose or 1 Clement that clearly articulate some form of justification by faith alone. It sounds like a lot like what Luther, Chemnitz, Gerhard, or the book of concord is saying. And it doesn’t fit what Trent or Robert Bellarmine says. If you read Bellarmine and read people interacting with his work like Johann Gerhard. You’ll see that there was no justification by faith alone or initial justification. But modern papists will say otherwise. This system from Newman was a way to address the reformation posed to Trent. So that contemporary papist can grab onto both sides and fits anything you throw at it. You can see this in other doctrine. It is more than just trivial things like where the priest face in mass. What you see is an ever shifting perspective in Rome. Which takes away the appeal of this consistency of the church.
          >deal with it
          I have I left the church and joined one that takes church history seriously.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            autism

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            At this point, the Pope is the ever changing, yet unchanged Catholic Church.

  12. 5 months ago
    JWanon

    >What would your conversation involve?

    I will preach about the coming Kingdom of Jehovah

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Surrounded by mirrors
    But which ones the real pope?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      maybe the real pope was the friends we made along the way.

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I would ask him what was he THINKING when he altered Pope Benedict's 'Motu Proprio' issue with his 'Traditionis Custodes' letter.
    Is the Tridentine Mas, which has been practiced through centuries, by laymen and saints equally, no longer acceptable?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      He was thinking that it would make the Latin Mass extinct in a generation, and that would be a good thing too because "p r o g r e s s".

      That's basically it. He's just not a very good pope.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >He was thinking that it would make the Latin Mass extinct in a generation
        Well, he's more or less succeeded, TLMs account for less than 1% of Catholic masses on the planet.

        >and that would be a good thing too because "p r o g r e s s".
        I don't agree with this ideology at all but if you believe that the institution of the Vatican MUST survive at all costs then Francis's actions are at minimum a necessary evil given that total deconstruction of the Vatican was on the table up until very recently.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >TLMs account for less than 1% of Catholic masses on the planet.

          Precisely why it shouldn't be an issue.
          It reeks of insecurity, like he has to bolster his own image of legitimacy by any means necessary. By stepping on a tiny minority in this case.

          That was true before he issued the ban anyways.
          What his action does is forbid new priests from learning the Latin Mass, not prevent priests who already know it from continuing services.

          All he's accomplished is driven the TLM movement further underground. What a doofus.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's no longer acceptable because the Pope says so, is pretty much the reasoning that gets thrown around. I wonder what Francis would say about that issue, directly, but he might just make it about his authority clarifying the matter, and leave it at that, unless he budges and offers more information.

  15. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What would your conversation involve?
    His church being fricking moronic for not opposing islam effectively.

  16. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ask him why he shills for islam and commie atheists

  17. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    stop worshipping theologians and apologists. Thats not the point of Christianity. Its not to be intellectually superior but to be holy. Pope Francis likely has more than a surface level knowledge of church history and theology but its not his specialty. He is a spiritual leader and is very very wise on spirituality, and the revelation of God. If Pope Francis says something is wrong I'm not going to listen to laymen who've studied the church fathers and try to refute him. Often those people are spiritually empty and do not act christ like. You shall know them by their fruits.

  18. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Somewhere deep down inside, a very cynical and jaded place, I feel like the recent intense FBI harassment and entrapment of American traditional Catholics under the Biden administration could have been a request from Francis himself. Which Biden would have been happy to oblige, choirboy that he is.

    It just looks like part of a larger pattern, that's all.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      the FBI are lazy, they'd rather groom and entrap autistic teenagers into becoming terrorists than catch real ones
      I'm not sure their process was any more complex than "browse /misc/, view tradcath threads, harass tradcaths"
      also I'd ask him why the church hasn't stamped out priests raping kids yet

  19. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Vatican II and its consequences

  20. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Slam him in the head with a KJV bible.

  21. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I’D TELL HIM IM NOT AFRAID OF HIS DRAGON! I WILL FIGHT HIS DRAGON AND DEFEAT IT FOR MY BAPTIST FAITH!

  22. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I would ask him for a detailed list of the places he traveled to as a young man as well as his list of professors and club associations at school, so that I could determine which Soviet Block country/agent flipped him and when.

  23. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Would probably talk to him about orthodoxy, and the new world order and the religion of the future.

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