With the decline of Christianity and christian morality does that mean we will return to pagan and roman morality?

With the decline of Christianity and christian morality does that mean we will return to pagan and roman morality?

Like harsh punishments for petty crimes. Cutting someone's finger off for stealing, crucifixion obscene torture. I personally see this happening. Our society can only really function with a good moral fabric but if too many people are immoral, human dignity is out the window and harsh obscene punishments will return to stopnit and other violations will occur

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  1. 6 months ago
    Radiochan

    No, instead what you're going to get is milquetoast neoliberalism
    Also you posted torture being done by Christians

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Assets need to be protected. The societal fabric needs to be protected. If you just let thievee go unharmed they'll do it again. In a christian society, theres a standard of goodness that while abuse and crime may happen you can be assured that it wouldn't be a common occurrence because of the general moral fabric. In a secular libertine society where there is no standard of morality, crimes like these will become more common among the populus and if theres no standard of morality you can only be assured it won't happen again through fear. Fear through harsh grotesque punishments like torture and an eye for an eye.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >wouldn't be a common occurence
        except crime was pretty common back then, in fact the main reason they even went with these giga brutal punishments was because it was the only method they had, crime was reduced not because muh religion but because the state became far more effective at policing due to centralization and new technology, it why you see very athiestic states with sophisticated governments having far lower crime rates than your average extremely pious but very poor and corrupt states

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Crimes back then were largely committed by societal outcasts. Bandits belonged to bands who were outside the local communities they ravaged. Someone within a society or town robbing and murdering wasnt as common as it is today. Just look at major western institutions where they still hold onto a semblenace of Christian mercy in their old laws but the populace has changed so criminals get put into nice jails but get out just as quick. Surveillance doesnt help stop crime or fix the problem. If you can catch criminals with that technology it doesnt stop them from doing it again especially if punishments are soft.

          The catholics believed that reproduction was bad. Im not saying everything the cathars believed is right, i don't play those games. What did kill the European populace was the crusades and the hierarchical dominance of the catholic church.

          >The Catholics believed reproduction was bad.

          This is insanely laughable. Catholic doctrine is absolutely pro natalism. Its against birth control and abortion.

          >What did kill the European populace was the crusades and the hierarchical dominance of the catholic church

          I can go off and tell you one billion reasons why that isn't the case but I'll just simply ask you for a source supporting that idiotic claim.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            We are both reading history, events none of witnessed personally. The Catholics preached sex was bad for pleasure, pleasure is not allowed. That is another story. Don't tell me one billion reasons why im wrong, pic, the best one and tell me. If you believe anything Jesus or Paul says you've been lied to, deceived. Anything they say is true? sounds like cult beliefs. What are your thoughts on sex magick? I don't mean mindless masked orgies, real sex magick. We may find some mutual ground here. But to still hold onto beliefs catholics are good and they didn't slaughter millions is cognitive dissonance stricking.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >wasn't as common as it is today
            and do you have anything to back that up with, because any concreate fact we have about crime rates back then show the opposite

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Theres massive news and hysteria about teen gangs looting stores and businesses. Massive cases of fraud committed against companies quite frequently.

            Thieves have always existed. I'm not making the claim that they didnt exist in the middle ages but it was absolutely far less common than the thieving and sinful culture of today.

            I dont even have to go that far back. Go back to 1950s america. Beyond organized crime (which is akin to the bandits I talked about earlier) how much was crime a problem compared to the 80s-90s and today?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >it was absolutely far less common
            again actually post something to back this up because every study that works with info available (aka shit they could actually document thus the conservative estimate) suggests it was much higher

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Do you need a study to tell you 2+2 = 4? This isn't science. Its sociology and history.

            Out of all the historical records we have of the middle ages, none of them mention the issue of rampant crime among the populous. However its well documented that violent crime within the USA especially among the black community is quite high. The amount of theft happening today is also higher compared to what we know about the middle ages.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            except this isn't two plus two this you making a claim and not justifying it with any actual hard evidence

  2. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Harsh penalties for petty crimes was Christian not pagan? The crusades? inquisition? witch hunts? the dark ages?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      The crusades were initially a justified war against an entity that threatened europe and attacked and killed other christians.

      The inquistion out of all the centuries it operated within only had a death toll of 5000 and the majority of times the inquisitors were charitable people who tried to change minds and were barred from torture.

      Salem witch trials were done by protestants who aren't genuine christians and I'm sure that is exaggerated.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        The Cathars in France where wiped out (almost) by the Catholic church. The only crusade to happen on European soil. They were known as the good men, they helped anyone they could and asked for nothing in return. They where keepers of knowledge. Knowledge that could destroy the catholic church, hence the Albigensian crusade. 100,000 estimated cathars and catholics slaughtered. War is never justified.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          The cathars believed that reproduction was bad. An ideology like that spreading would killtbhe European populace.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            The catholics believed that reproduction was bad. Im not saying everything the cathars believed is right, i don't play those games. What did kill the European populace was the crusades and the hierarchical dominance of the catholic church.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The catholics believed that reproduction was bad.
            Nope. As to celibacy, Jesus mentions celibacy for the sake of the kingdom of Heaven. Paul says celibacy is the superior way. Never it is said that reproduction is bad.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          The crusade happened because Occitan knights killed the Papal Legate that was investigating the Cathars.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >The only crusade to happen on European soil
          A number of crusades happened on European soil, including those against the Balts and Greeks

  3. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Well, for example, the cancel culture is definitely the christian virtue of forgiveness going out of the window. Maybe that's not a bad thing. Maybe it is. Who knows.

  4. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christian morality is more prevalent and widespread than ever. The slave morality has grown so prevalent that it no longer requires God, it even grows more slavish without God. Today, Atheists are heard to say "I do not need God, heaven or hell to be a good person, in fact, I am a better person without these things, because I act morally without expecting a reward". Such mental sickness has previously only been seen in lunatics, men who grow to love their cages, who despite being free to escape, stubbornly remain in their prison, not seeing it for the prison it is. And is this not the definition of a slave? He who works with no expectation of payment or reward, they proclaim this moral slavery as a virtue and an enhancement of virtue.
    Christian morality survives, strong as ever, enshrined and protected by a doctrine of "human rights" law. This supposedly Atheistic age acts more in accordance with Christian morality than previous Christian eras. A return to pagan morality is increasingly impossible.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      If an athiest discovers a path that leads to right moral behaviour, and a religious and the athiest agree upon these moral principals, does it matter which path they took to both get to the same conclusion? Christian morality has it's flaws that could be exploited, such as pray for your enemy, if your get slapped on the one cheek show them the other, if they steal your shirt offer them court jacket. This is very passive behaviour, the very traits one would like their slaves to adopt. If we can agree treat people as you want to be treated and we are all in charge of ourselves and nobody else why do we need religion? Now im not saying we don't need some sort of spirituality, but why religion? And yes the athiest who thinks this way is spiritual in some sort, just not religious, so perhaps religion might be the problem.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Your assessment of atheists is correct but your implications that this is the common paradigm of thinking among modern, secular society show you haven't been observant enough. While what you describe is very apt for the "enlightened," intellectual internet atheist, the current cultural secularists couldn't care less about deep philosophical questions like that. They're libertines who follow whatever their flawed intellects tell them to follow.

      While an intellectual atheist might say "I am above religion and I can be moral without it." The common paradigm among western society is " I dont care. I do what I want."

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Do what thou wilt is the whole of the law or something, meaning do what you want without worrying about consequence. The rest of the passage is something like love is the law, love is the all. Is an action right or wrong. Does your actions cause harm, if yes then wrong, if no then right. People can say 'im doing it to myself, im not hurting anyone' well, they are, their actions have a ripple effect. A drug addict father who doesn't steal to fund his addiction might say he's not hurting anyone, he is, he's hurting his family, his children who depend on him, society as a whole. Pointing your moral compass in the right direction needs a reason too, that reason is love. Without love there is no care, without care then who gives a frick. The divine feminine is being destroyed in front of us. The divine feminine being emotion, love, care, empathy, protection. The ability to give a frick enough to be a good person.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          you talk like a huge homosexual

  5. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    No. Pagan morality was shaped by the age it formed within, just as Christian morality was. Whatever comes next will not resemble either.

  6. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christianism adapted to roman (and germanic) morality rather than the other way around.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. If things were more Christian, it'd resemble sharia law.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Christianity did not adapt to roman or pagan morality. Thats an absolute Joke. Read the writings of the church fathers. We hold the same beliefs they did and that was prior to Constantine.

      This. If things were more Christian, it'd resemble sharia law.

      No it wouldn't. You realize if christians genuinely acted like Muslims you would be stoned for being an atheist? Its thanks to Christianity youre allowed to spew your nonsense.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Christian 'morality' is indebted to pagan greeks first of all but to secular romans and then germanics as well.
        >church fathers
        Not doing yourself any favors here.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Modern Christianity took influence from pagan philosophers like Aristotle and Plato but not as to change Christianity but to make their philosophy work with Christianity. Christianity's fundamental understanding framework is based on the canon established in 300ad and the old testament. It never added anything to itself other than taking some things from non christian sources and fitting them into theology but NOT reworking it entirely.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            100 AD christianity was already influenced by greek philosophers through at least Paul and likely many other anonymous leaders from the greek or hellenized communities it spread through

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