Why should we believe Christian priests if they don't do miracles?

Why should we believe Christian priests if they don't do miracles?

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Believe them about what? The Bible? You can just read that shit yourself if you don't trust them.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      And why should i believe the Bible?

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    you don't do miracles so why should we believe you?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      If miracles drew you in, you'd probably leave if the miracles ever stopped.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why do you think so? I'm not him, but it would take a single miracle to convert me and I'd never deconvert after that. It would just need to be something that can't conceivably be of natural origin, like an amputee regenerating his lost limb in real time.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          If that would convert you to a religion you're an idiot. If I had the power to perform any mirqcles I would just pretend to be a prophet of Christianity while being an atheist in order to gain control of the world then I would kill everyone.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            My prior probability for religious miracles is higher than my prior probability for wizards.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're literally comparing the exact same thing.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Low IQ.

            Why should someone doing magic make you believe that "God" did it? Most likely thing is alien technology or we live in a simulation, not "God".

            >ayylium technology
            Interstellar travel is not feasible under naturalism. Sorry, trekkies.
            >muh simulashum
            We would've detected and confirmed things like that way earlier.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh so you're the moronic type who has an overestimation of his own understanding of natural laws.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >w-we can go faster than light with nikola tesla's thingimajig, i swear!
            Nitwit.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >That isn't an argument anon.
            There's a certain point where people show themselves to be so dumb that they're not worth arguing with.
            >And circumnavigation of the globe wasn't feasible with Western Roman Empire technology.
            The circumnavigation of the globe didn't require us to literally break causality.
            >The simulation theory is Just as stupid and fictional as the "God made everything" theory.
            Good thing I believe in neither.

            You don't have to move at all to get from point a to point b
            You just need sufficient energy to bend space and time

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Getting to point B from point A faster than light breaks causality regardless of how you get there, midwit.

            >>w-we can go faster than light with nikola tesla's thingimajig, i swear!
            >Nitwit.
            We don't know everything anon. That leaves room for the possibility of faster than light travel.

            In fact with known laws it is possible for faster than light travel from the travelers perspective due to time dilation.
            As an example -
            "Due to special relativity, the relativistic time dilation experienced by a proton traveling at this speed would be extreme. If the proton originated from a distance of 1.5 billion light years, it would take approximately 1.71 days from the reference frame of the proton to travel that distance."
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oh-My-God_particle

            [...]
            >There's a certain point where people
            No, Anon. You simply didn't have an argument.
            [...]
            >The circumnavigation of the globe didn't require us to literally break causality.
            You're talking about modern causality. Circumnavigating the globe way back then did require the ancients to break their own causality.
            They had an incomplete knowledge of the universe. Today we still have incomplete knowledge of the universe.

            In order to experience time dilation, you need to go the grug route and simply pump in energy to accelerate. Therefore once again not feasible.
            >No, Anon. You simply didn't have an argument.
            "Magic is the same as religious miracles" is not an argument in the first place.
            >You're talking about modern causality. Circumnavigating the globe way back then did require the ancients to break their own causality.
            I am talking about breaking literal causality, as in you can go back into the past and shag your 20yo grandma.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Causality isn't real

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Getting to point B from point A faster than light breaks causality regardless of how you get there, midwit.
            According to our present day understanding.
            >In order to experience time dilation, you need to go the grug route and simply pump in energy to accelerate. Therefore once again not feasible.
            There is absolutely nothing infeasible about it lol.
            It's a natural phenomenon that happens all the time.
            >"Magic is the same as religious miracles" is not an argument in the first place.
            That's right anon, It's a comparison of identical things. Wow are you slow.
            >I am talking about breaking literal causality
            Our causality today that will be out of date in 50 years with new knowledge.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Our causality today that will be out of date in 50 years with new knowledge.
            False
            We understand physics completely now

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >False
            >We understand physics completely now.
            Which is what people thought hundreds of years ago.
            And guess what? we still have physics research today because.... we don't completely understand physics.
            >Christ refused miracles as proof
            The old and New testaments are full of Miracles as proof of Gods supposed reality.
            >It's been a century, it's time to stop coping.
            It took 1200 years For Christian Europe to rediscover hydraulic cement of the Romans.
            Pygmy tribesmen in Africa haven't developed anything at all for over 50,000 years.
            >Show me a single macroscopic object accelerated to 0.9999999999999999999999951c. Protip: you can't.
            We've recorded many objects travelling within that speed range that have mass.
            >Except they are not identical
            They are, you're a Christ-tard.
            >moron.
            That isn't an argument anon.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It took 1200 years For Christian Europe to rediscover hydraulic cement of the Romans.
            >Pygmy tribesmen in Africa haven't developed anything at all for over 50,000 years.
            You don't even know the difference between science and technology. To overturn special relativity would mean that all of our observations for the past hundred years have been giving us straight up false data, which brings us back to your matrix cope.
            >We've recorded many objects travelling within that speed range that have mass.
            Name one.
            >They are, you're a Christ-tard.
            I'm an atheist, I just don't have your wacky marvel fueled fantasies about all science in the past century being fake and technology being magic.
            >That isn't an argument anon.
            It's not meant to be, your comment about us discovering time machines in 50 years doesn't even warrant one.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You don't even know the difference between science and technology.
            "You don't know the difference between writing and reading writing"
            >Name one.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oh-My-God_particle
            >I'm an atheist,
            No, you're a Christ-tard.
            Normal people who don't believe in anything don't call themselves "atheists". You're online world doesn't resemble reality anon.
            >It's not meant to be
            Then why did you say it?
            Oh right, because when you have no argument you call people morons.
            High-brow stuff autistic anon.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >"You don't know the difference between writing and reading writing"
            Thank you for once again confirming that you are in fact a complete midwit.
            >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oh-My-God_particle
            Your proposed magical aliens have the mass of a proton?
            >No, you're a Christ-tard.
            >Normal people who don't believe in anything don't call themselves "atheists". You're online world doesn't resemble reality anon.
            Funny, you're using the "you actually do believe in god" argument that christians use.
            >Then why did you say it?
            >Oh right, because when you have no argument you call people morons.
            Yes, I'm calling you a moron because you think we'll discover time machines by the 2070s. It's very entertaining.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Thank you for once again confirming that you are in fact a complete midwit.
            Said the guy that thinks there's no connection between science and technology lol.
            >Your proposed magical aliens have the mass of a proton?
            If a proton can travel that speed there is nothing impossible about an atom, rock or spaceship travelling at that speed. In fact stars falling into black holes travel close to the speed of light.
            The edge of the visible universe is travelling away from us at close to light speed.
            >Funny, you're using the "you actually do believe in god" argument that christians use
            Lol, what are you even talking about Christ-tard anon?
            >Yes,
            See, I knew you had no arguments. How predictable.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Said the guy that thinks there's no connection between science and technology lol.
            Quote where I said that, low IQ anon.
            >If a proton can travel that speed there is nothing impossible about an atom, rock or spaceship travelling at that speed.
            Yeah except you need more than 10 to the power of 28 times more energy to accelerate a single human to that speed, and accelerating to that speed in any meaningful timeframe would put so many Gs on the object that it would be disintegrated, and you need to go through the whole ordeal twice to decelerate which also significantly prolongs your journey. In other words, you don't know shit.
            >Lol, what are you even talking about Christ-tard anon?
            If you will assert that I believe in god, I will assert that you are a cuckold.
            >See, I knew you had no arguments. How predictable.
            Well, you completely nuked any semblance of an argument you had by insisting that we will discover time machines within five decades.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            You simply need a way to convert energy into matter and vice versa
            Convert human into a light wave send it to destination reconvert to matter

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >it doesn't even occur to him that his magical technology would require him to go from point A to point B first in order to make subsequent trips
            Genuinely gutter trash tier IQ.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >>it doesn't even occur to him that his magical technology would require him to go from point A to point B first in order to make subsequent trips
            >Genuinely gutter trash tier IQ
            He's fully aware of your "dilemma" anon.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Quote where I said that, low IQ anon.

            >It took 1200 years For Christian Europe to rediscover hydraulic cement of the Romans.
            >Pygmy tribesmen in Africa haven't developed anything at all for over 50,000 years.
            You don't even know the difference between science and technology. To overturn special relativity would mean that all of our observations for the past hundred years have been giving us straight up false data, which brings us back to your matrix cope.
            >We've recorded many objects travelling within that speed range that have mass.
            Name one.
            >They are, you're a Christ-tard.
            I'm an atheist, I just don't have your wacky marvel fueled fantasies about all science in the past century being fake and technology being magic.
            >That isn't an argument anon.
            It's not meant to be, your comment about us discovering time machines in 50 years doesn't even warrant one.

            >You don't even know the difference between science and technology

            >Yeah except you need more than 10 to the power of 28 times more energy to accelerate
            Which isn't impossible with Nuclear power.

            >If you will assert that I believe in god
            You clearly do.

            >Our causality today that will be out of date in 50 years with new knowledge.
            False
            We understand physics completely now

            >We understand physics completely now

            My prior probability for religious miracles is higher than my prior probability for wizards.

            >My prior probability for religious miracles is higher than my prior probability for wizards.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >b-uh-buh-uh-but special relativity might not be real!
            It's been a century, it's time to stop coping.
            >There is absolutely nothing infeasible about it lol.
            >It's a natural phenomenon that happens all the time.
            Show me a single macroscopic object accelerated to 0.9999999999999999999999951c. Protip: you can't.
            >That's right anon, It's a comparison of identical things. Wow are you slow.
            Except they are not identical, low IQ anon.
            >uuuh in 50 years you'll go back to the 1940s and help Hitler turn the war around!
            moron.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >>w-we can go faster than light with nikola tesla's thingimajig, i swear!
            >Nitwit.
            We don't know everything anon. That leaves room for the possibility of faster than light travel.

            In fact with known laws it is possible for faster than light travel from the travelers perspective due to time dilation.
            As an example -
            "Due to special relativity, the relativistic time dilation experienced by a proton traveling at this speed would be extreme. If the proton originated from a distance of 1.5 billion light years, it would take approximately 1.71 days from the reference frame of the proton to travel that distance."
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oh-My-God_particle

            >That isn't an argument anon.
            There's a certain point where people show themselves to be so dumb that they're not worth arguing with.
            >And circumnavigation of the globe wasn't feasible with Western Roman Empire technology.
            The circumnavigation of the globe didn't require us to literally break causality.
            >The simulation theory is Just as stupid and fictional as the "God made everything" theory.
            Good thing I believe in neither.

            >There's a certain point where people
            No, Anon. You simply didn't have an argument.

            >That isn't an argument anon.
            There's a certain point where people show themselves to be so dumb that they're not worth arguing with.
            >And circumnavigation of the globe wasn't feasible with Western Roman Empire technology.
            The circumnavigation of the globe didn't require us to literally break causality.
            >The simulation theory is Just as stupid and fictional as the "God made everything" theory.
            Good thing I believe in neither.

            >The circumnavigation of the globe didn't require us to literally break causality.
            You're talking about modern causality. Circumnavigating the globe way back then did require the ancients to break their own causality.
            They had an incomplete knowledge of the universe. Today we still have incomplete knowledge of the universe.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            False, our knowledge of the universe is complete.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Funny joke anon.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Low IQ.
            That isn't an argument anon.

            >Interstellar travel is not feasible under naturalism. Sorry, trekkies.
            And circumnavigation of the globe wasn't feasible with Western Roman Empire technology.

            >We would've detected and confirmed things like that way earlier.
            The simulation theory is Just as stupid and fictional as the "God made everything" theory.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >That isn't an argument anon.
            There's a certain point where people show themselves to be so dumb that they're not worth arguing with.
            >And circumnavigation of the globe wasn't feasible with Western Roman Empire technology.
            The circumnavigation of the globe didn't require us to literally break causality.
            >The simulation theory is Just as stupid and fictional as the "God made everything" theory.
            Good thing I believe in neither.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why should someone doing magic make you believe that "God" did it? Most likely thing is alien technology or we live in a simulation, not "God".

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Antichrist?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          They don't think that

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't ask anyone to believe me and i dont tell people that i know how god works

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Thank you for the quality religious thread.

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Then the angels called to him as he stood praying in the sanctuary: That Allah gives you the good news of Yahya verifying a Word from Allah, and honorable and chaste and a prophet from among the good ones. And Zakariya and Yahya and Isa and Ilyas; every one was of the good; O Zakariya! surely We give you good news of a boy whose name shall be Yahya: We have not made before anyone his equal. O Yahya! take hold of the Book with strength, and We granted him wisdom while yet a child. So We responded to him and gave him Yahya and made his wife fit for him; surely they used to hasten, one with another In deeds of goodness and to call upon Us, hoping and fearing and they were humble before Us.

    Yahya the Priest does Miracles.

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christ refused miracles as proof, save for the Ressurection. Matthew 12:38-39
    It's logical to follow that God wouldn't grant thaumaturgical powers to clergy.

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Transubstantiation is a miracle that happens every week before your very eyes.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Transubstantiation
      No, bread and wine don't magically turn into the flesh and blood of Christ in symbolic human sacrifice anon.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        There have been DNA tests fone after people vomited up bread and wine from communion
        They had actually turned into blood and flesh and all have the SAME DNA

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Catholics are too gullible

          >all have the SAME DNA
          Maybe we can make a Jesus clone?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          You can win the noble prize if that is real, dont miss your chance

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >DNA
          What's the haplogroup?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Please stop, we are trying to make atheists seem dumb.

  7. 5 months ago
    Worker

    >Why should we believe Christian priests
    You shouldn't trust priests. They are minions of satan, just like the religious hypocrites of the first century.

    >46 beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;
    >47 Which devour widows' houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.
    Luke 20:46-47

    The only thing you should trust is the Word of God. If any man speaks, then test what he says against the pure light of God's Word.

    >These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
    Acts 17:11

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >You shouldn't trust priests. They are minions of satan
      Whilst I agree with you on not trusting priests. Calling people "minions of Satan" removes all credibility you formerly had.

      >The only thing you should trust is the Word of God
      The israeli God Yahweh.
      Who worships the israelites in the Old and new testaments.
      How embarrassing.

      There have been DNA tests fone after people vomited up bread and wine from communion
      They had actually turned into blood and flesh and all have the SAME DNA

      Hahahahaaa

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >You shouldn't trust priests.
      Why should we trust the Bible?

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Humans do not and have never done miracles, God does miracles through them at best.

    And transubstantiation is a miracle, deal with it. As is existence, while we're at it.

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