Why is there something rather than nothing? Is there any work that can answer this question, other than religion?

Why is there something rather than nothing? Is there any work that can answer this question, other than religion?

>reality just exists bro

Our entire experience of reality shows that everything in existence requires a sufficient cause. There is no reason to think that the totality of reality is any different.

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  1. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Is there any work that can answer this question, other than religion?
    No, and that should clue you into the problem with materialism.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      you mean the irrefutable proof of materialism and the fact that nothing happens after you die

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        There is no proof. Materialism requires you to accept that matter just exist and is fundamental. No other questions are to be asked because materialism doesnt have any answers. It replace the god of the christgays with matter the new god. Logically it is literally as moronic as the religious nuts who believe in skydaddy.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          What's theories make more sense than God? Genuinely asking, pls no bully

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Emergence.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >It replace the god of the christgays with matter the new god
          No, matter has no will of its own and you can actually see it and touch it, religions don't deny nature or material existence because god's would not have created anything or have anything to rule without them, religions just try to explain matter and nature with some other supernatural immaterial cause.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >you can actually see it and touch it
            you cannot prove this because the substance you are touching could be an illusion created by the mind.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Post the proof. Your proof must not presuppose your conclusion. Go.

  2. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Oh noes the morons here are gonna coome and quote that idiot Lawrence Krauss
    >It's random fluctation of "nothing" bruh

  3. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because I created it. Enjoy your experience while it lasts because there is no heaven or hell.

  4. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Causality is an illusion. You evolved to make sense of the patterns around you.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      If causality is an illusion, then what explains existence? How do two people create a new life?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        you’re presupposing that an “explanation” is a valid concept in the first place. Correlation is not causation. Our universe is an anomaly.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah okay. And what explains the existence of our universe?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            The universe exists because it can

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Wow I'm convinced. Unicorns could exist, but they don't. So what's the difference?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            because a universe in which unicorns don’t exist in this moment is a possibility. We are living in that possibility

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            What is the difference between a unicorn and a deer with a single antler?

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Correlation is not causation.
          It is if the correlation is 100% and consistently sequential.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            It’s not if the consistency can be explained by the fact that all other possibilities also exist. You’re committing the survivorship bias error. This is the only universe you see, so it’s the only one you think exists.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            This universe is not just a possibility, it is a reality, you are suffering from narcissism assuming the possibilities in your imagination are more important and valuable than collectively verifiable reality.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            it’s pretty absurd to think that this universe, with its exact quantities and patterns, is the only universe that exists.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            It would be equally absurd to think that you are the only you in your house, so if that is the case why don't you all just meet up in the kitchen and swap yourselves?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >twitter screenshot 3 minutes after it was posted
      >just ASSUMES infinite universes
      moron

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        assuming infinite universes is not much worse than assuming god or that the law of causality “exists” for no reason. It’s the absence of assumptions that allows for all possibilities, which would mean infinite universes

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Explain your infinite universes theory.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Starting with zero assumptions, or “nothing,” it follows that there are no restrictions, no laws, and therefore everything is possible. But if you think this is too much of an assumption, that’s fine. But it’s still the case that our brains evolved to survive on earth, and not to understand why everything exists. So the question you’re asking is making a lot of assumptions about existence as a whole, and the worst part is, even if you found the “correct” answer, it would be absolutely useless to you, unless the answer were a god that wants you to worship him and stuff

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            If everything was possible, why did reality as-it-is form?

            because a universe in which unicorns don’t exist in this moment is a possibility. We are living in that possibility

            Why do any universes exist?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            you may be moronic

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            I accept your concession.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh noes the morons here are gonna coome and quote that idiot Lawrence Krauss
            >It's random fluctation of "nothing" bruh

            Oh noes here we discovered some moron who just read Lawerence Krauss.
            No you fricking trylobyte, that "nothing" is a gigantic assumption that the idiot Lawrence Krauss has to put into his pet theory to avoid invoking the christian god he has so much.
            Lol why should that "nothing" allows for limitless, none constrained possiblity that can create this universe with all the physicals law and matter? Why shouldnt it just contain, well, nothing, literally empty? Wouldnt that make it a simpler assumption?
            The idiot Lawrence Krauss just changed the monotheism god with an omnipotent universe creating vacumn and call it a theory.
            The stupidity that this mfker somehow went semi popular in the atheism community tell you about the absolute state of the intellectual class. homies all need to learn a bit of philosophy.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            I’m not talking about empty space with the laws of physics, but absolutely nothing. Go ahead and delete your post

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >something can come from nothing

            Good one. You're bending over backwards to deny God. Sad.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >something can come from nothing
            yes. Though to be more accurate, there is no “coming” from nothing. It’s not a process. This universe has always existed, but there is no cause of its existence. It exists for no reason other than the fact that it can.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            This is logically equivalent to materialism. Everything just is and exists. There is no reason for it. Dont ask anymore question because we dont know.

            My main grief with the idiot Lawrence Krauss is that he tried to cast a theory that is philosophically equivalent to a creation myth as materialism.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >This universe has always existed
            yet another assertion.
            There MUST be a first cause is also an assertion, but then you have to prove that an infinite regress is not a fallacy.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nothing is something.
            You should be asking how it yields something else.

            >just stop thinking bro

            Emergence.

            Lol. Emergence of what? From what? Why?

            What is the difference between a unicorn and a deer with a single antler?

            What's the difference between a deer and a dog? Or a human and a rock? The difference is recognized in the mind.

            Given that infinite universes exist, you’re guaranteed to find a universe that coincidentally seems to have a “law” of causality. (please tell us where this law is, and how it interacts with the universe itself.) And it’s also guaranteed that within that universe, organisms will have brains that are evolved to think that everything has a cause, because their brains are based on the patterns of their surroundings, which are, coincidentally, causal-like. So it’s guaranteed that there will exist people like you that look for special causes of the universe even when there are none.

            How convenient. Infinite universes of the gaps. With zero scientific basis. And it STILL doesn't explain where the infinite universes came from.

            You lose. You will always lose. You cannot defeat God. Give in and submit to His will.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >just stop thinking bro
            Just stop thinking that nothing isn't something, so that you can think about relevant things instead of trying to pretend like nothing and something are two entirely different things because you can't even claim nothing isn't something without asserting that it has to be something else instead.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >for my theories to work I have to pretend like nothing is something

            Just think about how stupid this is.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nothing is obviously something, something we can not only discuss, but it is something to an even higher degree such that it has a specific mathematical value and its own special type of set that is fundamentally necessary for defining the remaining sets.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            You can talk about it analogically. You can't directly envision it. Nothing is not something.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Absolute nothing
            No, I am referring to your absolute nothing you trilobyte. My wording my be a bit rough cause I am ESL. Read between the lines. If you are stupid enough not apply the logic to that Lawrence Krauss fraud pet theory you need to get out of doing science.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          You don't even know what God is as a concept in the first place. Multiverse is pseudo-science junk.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >that the law of causality “exists” for no reason.
          It exists because it is observable.
          Figure out how to pour water on yourself without getting wet before pretending like causality isn't directly and consistently observable.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Given that infinite universes exist, you’re guaranteed to find a universe that coincidentally seems to have a “law” of causality. (please tell us where this law is, and how it interacts with the universe itself.) And it’s also guaranteed that within that universe, organisms will have brains that are evolved to think that everything has a cause, because their brains are based on the patterns of their surroundings, which are, coincidentally, causal-like. So it’s guaranteed that there will exist people like you that look for special causes of the universe even when there are none.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >even when there are none.
            Except you just described that they do exist and tried to it away by describing that you could imagine they don't, so they don't have to exist despite the fact that they clearly do and you can't post your rubbish without a specific chain of causes that eventually push your text to the imageboard.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Definition of cause:
            >without the cause, there is no effect, and the effect implies the existence of the cause
            but there isn’t a single thing we can point to as the cause of this universe, because it doesn’t need a cause. I only talk about infinite universes to explain the appearance of causality, which you think is extremely low probability.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >but there isn’t a single thing we can point to as the cause of this universe
            Nothing, self-referencing paradox, the same value that causes the numerical explosion.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Given that infinite universes exist
            Which they don't.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >there are no universal laws, so let me tell you about this universal law

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        there are no laws, just universes (experiences)

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >there are no laws, just these specific laws

  5. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Introducing a creator deity just outsources the problem.

  6. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing is something.
    You should be asking how it yields something else.

  7. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Literally everything is evolution. This universe is like an organism that was selected for because of its orderliness, which came about through randomness. Order emerges from chaos

  8. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Various theories on why reality exists:

    https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/
    https://reducing-suffering.org/why-does-physics-exist/

  9. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    what is something-ness? what is nothing-ness? what does it mean "to be"?
    these are questions for metaphysicians, not natural philosophy and mathematics.

  10. 9 months ago
    Barkun

    Space and Physique have a special bond together. Space acts as a positive in some physique-neutral bonds, producing stable demi, such as a squared zone.

  11. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    why dont we first try walking our little baby nuts to the next star system. did you know the aliens have a surprise party waiting for us? there they'll answer our questions.

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