Why is Orthodoxy so popular on the West now?

Why is Orthodoxy so popular on the West now?

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because people are idiots and it's new or exotic to them so they feel a sense of awe around it and feel like it's just right and it has good songs. That's it. It's just a more exotic and less controversial Catholicism for the morons to larp as.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Everything in the West feels fake now, so people yearn for anything that feels authentic and and untouched by the globohomo.

      You should not be so judgmental, these reactions are the result of people's very real need for fulfillment and meaning not being met.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >You should not be so judgmental, these reactions are the result of people's very real need for fulfillment and meaning not being met.
        I know. People do yearn for meaning and fulfillment. Nothing wrong with that at all. But if your solution to that is religion? You're just an idiot. That's not gonna help you since it's fiction and those efforts could be better spent towards more fruitful pursuits than taking mythology as fact. I can learn from Aesop, I don't need to think a fox and a crow were literally talking or call myself a piece of shit sinner because some guy ate a fruit and I told a white lie once and can't cope with any wrongs I've done and need some third party to imaginarily go "all good bro".

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Like recent convert Ayaan Hirsi Ali has said, atheism fails to fulfill people's need for meaning. The age of secularism is coming to an end, and it's beautiful.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The age of secularism is coming to an end, and it's beautiful.
            Any day now

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Hey, Rome wasn't built in one day, but neither did it fall in one day.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >atheism fails to fulfill people's need for meaning.
            It was never supposed to do that. It's like saying I stopped believing in Jesus because I prayed for my car to get fixed and it wasn't. That was a never a selling point. Atheism is a stance of "no god". At no point was it supposed to be meaning to life. You have aeons of philosophy and myth and other things you use to figure out your passions in life and how to best pursue them. It's not slacktivism where you get heavenly rewarded for a belief. So her criticism is dumb. She's trying to fault atheism for not doing what it was never meant to do. But she comes from a religious background. And theism comes as a "package". You get god, your morals, interpretations, etc., all from a couple books, sect, family, etc. Atheism doesn't have that. You have to find those other things on your own.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It was never supposed to do that.
            Doesn't matter, it failed to do so so now little by little people are ditching it out of sheer frustration, you can only fuel your will to live on rage agaisnt God and religion for so long until it wears out.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >it failed to do something it was never supposed to do therefore larpers on the internet is proof that a new theocratic christian world is coming
            Delusions

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous
          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            You are free to refute any point

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why would I bother to refute a strawman?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >a strawman?
            It isn't

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Doesn't matter
            It does when you mention it as a criticism. Because your criticism has nothing to do with atheism. So that's not a reason obviously. At least not a good one. It's one that tells me you're an NPC. You can't be bothered to read, you can't be bothered to improve, you can't be bothered to look into different philosophies or mindsets and other things. All you can think of is you want something to cope. You want to be ordered around. You want to just go "god gave me purpose" and feel good without actually finding a real purpose and then blame "atheism" for not giving you one when it was never supposed to. If anything it's sad. Because your criticism was obviously bullshit, and the only alternatives that would make you throw that out instead of a real one are not very good. But I guess it's for the best. Some people were made to be chattel. They can't be bothered to make the effort or thought and freedom and were made to be slaves. And I don't mind that, but you should at least have the fortitude to give an honest answer instead of saying atheism didn't give you something that was never even part of it to begin with.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It does when you mention it as a criticism.
            Atheism as a worldview fails to provide people with meaning and purpose, therefore people ditch it for something that does.
            Simple.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous
          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Atheism as a worldview fails to provide people with meaning and purpose
            It's not a worldview to begin with. Again, that was never part of it. Atheism is an umbrella term. You have liberal atheists, conservative atheists, atheistic Buddhists, atheistic Taoists, atheistic stoics, atheistic epicureans, materialistic atheists, and so on. Atheism itself is no more a worldview than "theism" is a worldview. Under these terms (both theist and atheist) are a host of varied different belief systems. And that is where you then go on to find and explore these worldviews. If you're not a troll then you don't even know what atheism is at all. Not even a middle school grasp on it. Or even bothered to study anything about it. And I doubt you did for your religion either, because I'm betting that trend of not giving a shit and flaccidly dismissing things you don't know anything about didn't change when you became Christian.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            You used to be confident that you could replace The Bible with Dawkins within a decade? Did that happen? How do you feel abput your failed predictions?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            You are going off in a completely different direction.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nta but atheism in the west has becomed very much associated with woke stuff that is not very conductive towards a stable life.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nice digits
        >these reactions are the result of people's very real need for fulfillment and meaning not being met.
        We shouldn’t pretend like this isn’t LARPing, it’s people selecting a denomination based on what “looks nice” or what makes them “feel good”, it’s the same as a charismatic in skinny jeans just older. These people might start their search based on a sincere longing for God but they are just filling the hole with thing with the aesthetics of Godliness. The 2 people I’ve know closely who converted to Russian Palamism both did so from making “traditionalism” and conservative social values into an idol and then presupposition (i.e. they accepted it as true flat out and then refused all evidence pointing that they might be wrong).

        Any Christian who cares about the souls of other people would obviously want to call out this aesthetic/traditionalism worship as the false faith it is.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >We shouldn’t pretend like this isn’t LARPing,
          You don't know the content of people's hearts, and like this anon said

          Beauty is important, tradition is important, authenticity is important. You downplay these as if they're worthless, they are not.

          beauty and tradition are important, if people are drawn to a religion because it has these qualities, they're not wrong.
          >it’s the same as a charismatic in skinny jeans just older.
          Absolutely not, everyone knows that Protestants are notorious for being absolutely shit at aesthetics.
          >These people might start their search based on a sincere longing for God but they are just filling the hole with thing with the aesthetics of Godliness.
          Stop pretending like you know people's hearts, it sounds to me like you're just projecting. And even if it were the case that they are drawn to religion for the aestethics, so what? Why can't that be the entry point for them to grown spiritually?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Admit you're underaged.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >We shouldn’t pretend like this isn’t LARPing, it’s people selecting a denomination based on what “looks nice” or what makes them “feel good”, it’s the same as a charismatic in skinny jeans just older.
          You talk as if there aren't people who have watched apologetics or theological discussion videos, read books on it or documented themselves on it. You just see people talking about the aesthetics which are beautiful, but ignore the fact there are a dozen of lutherans and anglican who can say the same thing. Also, there are the eastern catholics, which are basically catholics imitating the EO, so it's not like there isn't a shortcut to just have both in regards to catholics.
          >These people might start their search based on a sincere longing for God but they are just filling the hole with thing with the aesthetics of Godliness.
          So people are smart enough to look for God, but not focused enough to look at the theological and historical claims? This doesn't work since a person as you're describing wouldn't focus too much on God since they would be too vin by your standards.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's very cool and intellectually serious that you base your entire worldview around opposition to an internet meme word.
        Underaged?

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Slave mentality. They want to rebel from their evangelical parents who are slaves to Israel so their misguided solution is to become a slave to Russia.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >As a protestant
    >seeing everything Orthodox is beautiful...
    >I'll be leaving protestant to become Orthodox
    So basically zoomerbob's prot church wasn't interesting & aesthetic enough for him, hears about orthodox online, watches gay cryer, and converts fo orthodoxy because it looks cool and is heckin' based. Many such cases.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Beauty is important, tradition is important, authenticity is important. You downplay these as if they're worthless, they are not.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Of course beauty is important. But converting to a denomination just because your parents church is boring and some exotic denomination has pretty churches and exotic rituals is larpshit.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          %3D%3D

          I love the chants. Nasheeds are good too. I can see how one might be enthralled by it, but finding stuff beautiful is a far way from "therefore everything in the bible is truth muh gawds real".

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Quality of music seems like the way to go about figuring out what denomination is true

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Unironic Russian psyop. Same tactic as their old promotion of anti-imperialist ideology that curiously never said anything bad about Russian imperialism. It's not a coincidence that out of the various Eastern Orthodox traditions they veer towards Russian Orthodoxy as this anon shows (which funnily enough is currently schismatic, as per their spat with the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople) and not say Greek Orthodoxy, which is by all means the "traddest" of them all.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Except Russians have spoken out against it

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Even some russian priests spoke against it though.
            https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.voanews.com/amp/russian-orthodox-priests-persecuted-for-supporting-peace-in-ukraine-/7222972.html
            https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/10/12/meet-father-grigory-russias-most-prominent-anti-war-priest

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Unless something has changed recently most American converts usually end up in an Antioch church because they got into converting westerners before the others.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        "Converting" because of cool internet memes is the very opposite of tradition. Stop embarrassing yourself underaged kid

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Coverting to another religion is breaking your family tradition

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Only if your family as belonged to a certain religion for generations.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        You type like a homosexual.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. It's pathetic.

      Beauty is important, tradition is important, authenticity is important. You downplay these as if they're worthless, they are not.

      >Beauty is important, tradition is important, authenticity is important.
      These are all true. Though after your "atheism didnt give purpose so its bad" I don't think you're being very authentic at all. You're being disingenuous. So those Christian virtues don't seem to be working out because as soon as you got questioned you had to throw out a bogus excuse like that. You aligned yourself in a way that shows you were just trying to counter atheism. You didn't pick religion because it convinced you via any truth. You didn't say what Orthodoxy gave you or brought to you or what it offers. Your instant reaction was to blame/counter atheism for a thing it was never supposed to give you. That's a hack move.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >converts to orthodoxy
      Only a miniscule percentage of tradlarps ever convert.
      Or even go to church.

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    prove its popular first

  5. 5 months ago
    Nega-Dirk

    Which Orthadoxy?
    Old Believer Bespopovtsy Orthodox?
    Oriental Orthodox?
    Assyrian Orthodox Church of the East?
    Eastern Orthodox on the side of Russia in the current schism?
    Or Eastern Orthodox on the side of the Constantinople, Alexandria, Ukraine, Greece & Cyprus in the current schism?
    Or Old Calenderist Eastern Orthodox (such as the Matthewites & Cyprianites)?
    Or Western Orthodox Churches (such as the Celtic Orthodox Church & British Orthodox Church)?
    Or “True” Orthodox?

    I’m assuming you mean the Palamites but if not please clarify.
    For palamite I would say that it’s It’s largely driven by the following
    1 - Deracinated westoids LARPing as though they are part of a community and tradition they have no actual roots too. They generally make an idol out of “tradition” and are largely just lusting after aesthetics.
    2 - “Trad”Catholics (please forgive the tautology) who base their identity in their Catholic identity in their traditionalism/conservatism/reactionarism rather than faith which has led many to become alienated by the current papacy. Rather than submit to what their traditions and supposed beliefs demand (or alter their views to adopt a sedivicantist/Sedeprivationism position) they just jump to what they view as more agreeable to their political/social views.
    3 - Lower-IQ and/or poorly catechised Protestants who got tired of losing debates so they chose to switch to the denomination that still hates Catholicism but will allow them to cite Apostolic tradition or “the fathers” at the Catholic rather than the other way around as it was previously.
    4 - Atheoids who realised that hedonistic nihilism isn’t a serious worldview. Rather than moderate they still have the need to “win” debates, so seeing the palamite debate bros online they flock to the new belief system that offers them the sense of moral and intellectual superiority to others.

    TLDR - LARPing, as usual.

    • 5 months ago
      Nega-Dirk

      Cont.
      Core thing in a LARP are;
      1) A clear In and Out group (it can’t be like Taoism that doesn’t really care about other religions, It need to actively encourage the idea it’s followers are better than everyone else so the LARPer can shit on other people).
      2) It needs to be niche, atheism got too mainstream, Catholicism is too large, Oriental Orthodox is too Brown, so Palamism or LARPagan it is.
      3) It needs to be large enough that it can organise and have some form of initiation (repent and believe the Gospel is boring)
      4) It has to have lots of docrtines and dogmas that are completely removed from reality for the LARPer to play with. They need to be very meaty and “nuanced”, but also easily condensed into pity GOTCHAs so you can DEBUNK other people.
      5) It need to have a “theory of everything”, a point in history or event where is can blame all the problems of the world and pretend if it didn’t happen then everything would be perfect.
      LARPagan - Conversion of Europe
      “Trad” Caths - Protestant Reformation
      Palamites/OrthoLARPers - Great Schism / the Filioque, usually seen in the Byzaboos and Russia = 3rd Rome crowd.
      I suppose Oriental Orthodox would say Chalcedon but I haven’t really encountered any OO LARPers yet.
      The theory of everything allows the LARPer to blame everything wrong in the world on other people so the LARPers doesn’t need to acknowledge the failings of his community or himself.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        The only good post on Oyish today.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        If Orthodoxy makes this troon spammer seethe so much then it must be a worth looking into

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous
        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          muh trannies

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >1
      Nope, there are many channels focusing theology, apologetics, documentaries, all focused on converts and even manned by thrm. Plus, you could say the same thing about every foreign sect/religion, since
      >2
      Most join sedevacantism or something similar since they wan. People who go to EO must have found it compelling enough to join it. Some converts even were catholics since they saw the current problem with whole "don't focus on theoly and consistency, just follow the pope" thing.
      >3
      Not really. If they were poorly cathechised protestants, why would they care about the pope. They see problems with the papacy, but see the EO as the alternative, especially as the first millenium church functioned on the same type of ecclesiology. If they just wanted to feel catholic without pope, they could go to anglicanism, which is kind of a middle point.
      >4
      Most atheists choose something like hinduism, buddhism, taoism if they are atheists just for the sake of not liking christianity or decide to read on philosophy/art/music if they are just neutral to it/not religious.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

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    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Which Orthadoxy?
      >Eastern Orthodox on the side of Russia in the current schism?
      >Or Eastern Orthodox on the side of the Constantinople, Alexandria, Ukraine, Greece & Cyprus in the current schism?
      These
      There are fourteen Orthodox churches that are generally accepted as "autocephalous," which in Greek means "self-headed." An autocephalous church possesses the right to resolve all internal problems on its own authority and the ability to choose its own bishops, including the Patriarch, Archbishop or Metropolitan who heads the church. While each autocephalous church acts independently, they all remain in full sacramental and canonical communion with one another. Today these autocephalous Orthodox churches include the four ancient Eastern Patriarchates and ten other Orthodox churches that have emerged over the centuries. On its own initiative, the Patriarchate of Moscow has granted autocephalous status to most of its parishes in North America under the name of the Orthodox Church in America. But since the Patriarchate of Constantinople claims the exclusive right to grant autocephalous status, it and most other Orthodox churches do not recognize the autocephaly of the American church. Nine of these autocephalous churches are Patriarchates: Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, Russia, Serbia, Romania, Bulgaria and Georgia. The others are headed by an Archbishop or Metropolitan. At the level of church government, Orthodoxy is a communion of churches, all of which recognize the Patriarch of Constantinople as primus inter pares, or "first among equals." Although he does not have authority to intervene in the affairs of local churches outside his own Patriarchate, he is considered first in honor and the symbolic center of all the Orthodox churches. Thus the Patriarchate of Constantinople (also known as the Ecumenical Patriarchate) enjoys a certain priority among the various Orthodox churches

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's because young (usually unsuccessful) men become resentful of modern society and thus embrace an exotic, yet traditional religion. It allows them to valid their conservative or reactionary political views and shelter them from society behind the obscurant veil that Orthodoxy provides. Note that these type of converts without exception are drawn by the shallow "aesthetics" of the church above anything concrete like theological doctrine and whatnot like true believers are.

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because Russians saw israelites influence the West with Evangelical Christianity. A large 5th column of Westerners who view Russia as the Third Rome and holy land would be an invaluable asset for the Kremlin.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      This, I’ve see Palamites converts acting for Russia the same way Muttmerican boomer evangelicals do about Israel.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Orthobros simp for Russia because Church and State union is part of Orthodox theology. You papists wouldn't understand

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >because Church and State union is part of Palamite theology.
          Yes, we are all aware that you’re caeseropapists.
          >You papists wouldn't understand
          Correct we don’t subordinate God

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Yes, we are all aware that you’re caeseropapists.
            Nope, those are the anglicans who literally exist because of Henry VIII and one of his daughters. They literally have had him as supreme head and she just changed the name, but not much difference.
            We also have martyrs who stood against what you are talking about.
            I could also say the same about you.
            Pope Symmachus was elected pope by a popularity contest set up by King Theodoric, with there being evidence of bribes. It was also Pope Symmachus' curia who made the Symmachean forgeries, possibly with his knowledge. Symmachus was reinstated only after said king intervened.
            Add to it stuff like the carolingian bishops and Charlegmane wanted to put the filioque into the creed, the pseudo-isidore forgeries and the Donation being made by carolingians and I could say the same about you.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Nooooooo we aren’t Caeseropapist
            Yes you are, you have a far longer history of it than Anglicans. Them being Caeseropapist doesn’t negate yours.
            >we had heckin the occasion martyr against it.
            Lmao, and martyred by whom, oh that’s right, the palamite church/state.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Yes you are, you have a far longer history of it than Anglicans.
            Scholars like John Meyenderoff clarrified that caeseropapism never became a principle of the byzantine empire, with the emperors rescinding orders if the religious clergy and laity, along with the general followers didn't like them. Also, it's one thing to have this happen, but another is to owe your churches' entire existence to it. Even so, the anglican church has changed between being basically protestant to trying to have catholic practices without being catholic.
            >Them being Caeseropapist doesn’t negate yours.
            So why bring it up as an argument? I could argue about the catholics the same as I did with all their forgeries made by carolingian bishops, with it leading to the church split and the pope abusing his power, all of which is even worse.
            >Lmao, and martyred by whom, oh that’s right, the palamite church/state.
            Most of the new martyrs were under ottoman occupation, with St Phillip being an example against Ivan the Terrible.
            Further, I could comment on the state of simony in the Roman catholic, with people killed for speaking against it.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Scholars like John Meyenderoff clarrified that caeseropapism never became a principle of the byzantine empire, with the emperors rescinding orders if the religious clergy and laity, along with the general followers didn't like them.
            You mean after they got couped by the party that opposed them.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, it's called the heresy of phyletism which you yourselves condemned.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Christ is King of Kings.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            K why do you excommunicate the churches of countries that you're in political disputes with then if you believe that

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            The political disputes are also religious disputes.

            Patriarchs shouldn't take orders from Talmudists and Muslims.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >implying
            You all have the same theology, you're just schismatics at heart. Return to Rome

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    because they don't accept homosexual believers.

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    "The West"
    You mean America the most godforsaken mutted nation

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Unlike the BRICS countries which are ALL ethnostates.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      The same America which completely dominates you and your mind in every way?

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It isn't.
    Not in real life.

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because Catholicism is cucked and Protestantism is judaised and heretical.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      as opposed to palamism

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    because the current gen is always contrarian to whatever the norm is.

    when tradlarping was the norm, the youth became liberal.

    now liberalism is the norm, so the youth will become tradlarpers.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >when tradlarping was the norm
      They weren’t larping.

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's cool and exotic while still being Christian

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >these reactions are the result of people's very real need for fulfillment and meaning not being met.
    Then they need to make their own meaning, not find it in someone else's words.

  15. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Jay Dyer

  16. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Roman Catholic Church and much of the mainline churches became too liberal.

    I'm a Roman Catholic who became an ACNA Anglican.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Don't like that the Pope is a gay? Suck it up.
      Truth doesn't care about your preferences.

  17. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It’s not. You’re seeing a minority of Instagram shills with convert zeal getting upvoted by immigrant slavshits and brown tradcaths

  18. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >ctrl+f armenia
    >0 results in a thread about orthodoxy
    flying under the radar as usual

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Armenians are miaphysites

  19. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because we are seeing Homosexuality being taught in Protestant 'churches.' And that there are so many denominations, which is incoherent because how can they all be called a church when they each do their own individual thing, with their own foundational beliefs? The only consistency is how inconsistent they each are. Covid, troony trash, lack of Theology, and the eating of self in academia * fruits they are bearing.

  20. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    With easy access to information, Christians are realizing how hollowed out and compromised protestantism is, and they're rightfully moving towards the truest form of the faith.
    Orthodox and Catholicism are the ways. I only hope we can heal the schism and reunite stronger.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >and Catholicism
      This is the real reason Orthodoxy is blowing up. By default many Westerners would gravitate towards Catholicism and usually do in aesthetics, but with the Catholic Church getting stuck in modernism, there is no door for people to enter, so they go to the next thing which is Orthodox.

      I mean, speaking honestly, who would want to convert to a faith that you are unsure might pull an Anglicanism and have blessed Gay Marriages and Women Priests in 20 years?
      t. Born into Catholicism

  21. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It’s because of big gay.

  22. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I can't speak for others, but it is the only thing I have seen that makes American Christians frick off and leave you alone

  23. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    For a lot of young people what else would they choose? Protestantism you either join a lukewarm mainline church that's more obsessed with social justice issues than Jesus or a wacky evangelical or Calvinist church. Catholicism you either join the wacky trad kids who are delusional about the Vatican ever supporting them or go to a Novus Ordo with the Mexicans. Orthodoxy has a lot of issues too but they won't learn that until the high off incense and icons wears off.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      There are plenty of conservative Lutheran and high Anglican congregations. The ACNA has almost 1000 alone.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        But what is the point of converting to Lutheranism if you are not German, or Anglican if you are not English?
        Frankly this whole choose your own church for political convenience Americans do seems extremely LARPy

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >But what is the point of converting to Lutheranism if you are not German, or Anglican if you are not English?
          Because you want a fairly high church and theologically traditional denomination that isn't Cathodox? Why convert to Catholicism if you're not Irish or Hispanic, or EO if you're not Greek or Russian? Really confused by that response. Anglicanism ranks relatively low in terms of ethnophyletism, and Lutheranism certainly lower than Orthodoxy. And most Americans would have English or German ancestry anyway.

          The Lutherans aren't that different from the evangelicals in some regards lately. The ACNA is interesting but I think it'll suffer from the fact it can't just pick a direction to go in. It has everything from guys wanting to create an Anglo-Orthodoxy to hardcore Calvinists who want something a little more high church than the Presbyterians.

          I mean the latter is pretty normal for Anglicans and hasn't stopped the denomination growing in the global south.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Anglicanism ranks relatively low in terms of ethnophyletism
            It is an English Church made by an English Monarch who was mad about his marriages
            At least Lutherism claims to be the true universal church

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        The Lutherans aren't that different from the evangelicals in some regards lately. The ACNA is interesting but I think it'll suffer from the fact it can't just pick a direction to go in. It has everything from guys wanting to create an Anglo-Orthodoxy to hardcore Calvinists who want something a little more high church than the Presbyterians.

  24. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >West
    Among protestants, my people is still Catholic.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

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